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    • By MSE Archna 18th Mar 08, 11:39 AM
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    TV Licence article Discussion
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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 26th Jul 17, 10:18 PM
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    we are NOT paying £13 for BBC we are paying £13 for a TV licence
    Originally posted by Niv
    Some of us are not paying £13 for either.

    If I were given the choice to not have to pay for a TV licence if I stopped watching BBC then I would cancel it no doubt as I barely watch BBC.
    Originally posted by Niv
    If you stopped watching the other channels live, then you could legally cancel your TV Licence.
    Last edited by Bedsit Bob; 26-07-2017 at 10:20 PM.
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    • Niv
    • By Niv 27th Jul 17, 7:45 AM
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    DavidP24 - I think that in actual fact we agree in principle but disagree on the price point. That is really the only bit I disagree with you on.


    and, not that it matters, but I don't watch repeats of border force anymore than I watch Eastenders (which is also tripe).
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    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 27th Jul 17, 8:25 AM
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    Depending on the detail of implementation, the price-point could vary considerably (and is one way to smooth out the "bumps" for the BBC as it goes through the transition that is required).

    The cost of BBC TV is around £8 per month. The rest goes on Radio and Online content.

    So, it's not unthinkable to map out the 5 year transition with an £8 basic subscription as the end target, taking the equivalent of £4 per month from industry levy and Government sources.
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    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 27th Jul 17, 12:51 PM
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    I'm even more glad that I don't pay the TVL after details of the insane BBC salaries were made public.

    It's all very well saying BBC content is good value for money, well it could be even better value if they weren't paying £100K+ for a few hours work.
    • Beenie
    • By Beenie 27th Jul 17, 7:05 PM
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    Can someone give me a simple answer: we are radio addicts, a radio in every room. We have an old TV in the garage, used in the past when OH was repairing the car. If someone from the licensing agency visited, they would see this TV, but no-one watches it. OH listens to music on the Sonos when he is working.

    So, do we have to let the authorities into our house to prove that we don't have a TV, or can we tell them to please go away?
    • cw18
    • By cw18 27th Jul 17, 7:32 PM
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    You are perfectly entitled to refuse them access.

    But it isn't owning a TV that requires a license, it's the watching of Live TV (or iPlayer). I have 3 TVs in my house, all of which are connected to the mains. But none has the capability of receiving a TV signal (no aerial) and I've blocked the iPlayer site on my router so that my one Smart TV can't "accidentally" be used to access it, and that means I don't require (or have) a license. I use them to watch DVDs...
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    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 27th Jul 17, 11:24 PM
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    Interestingly I am getting TVL letters at my old address and have been for about 6 months, considering I don't have Sky or Virgin (only broadband) I wonder if they have just checked the electorial roll and just sent letters out.


    If so thats a terrible way to do things, and im thinking if they pester the new tenant (my friend) who gets confused easily they may get a "confession" that hes me and watching tv despite him only owning a hdmi monitor for his computer and no tv in house (unless they claim the monitor is a tv)


    I always remember years ago just before I moved to current town TVL coming round a few days after I moved in and I let them in knowing I had nothing to hide and they gave me 30 days to "get a license"


    I knew I didn't need one so just let it slide and he knocked on my door a month later with a friend (so a witness) so I let them in and when I let him in and he asked why I didn't have a license I said "I don't need one" and when he enquired why I said "Well my tv is only used for my pc and dvds"


    Didn't realise at the time but thinking back his "friend" vanished into the hall at this point (which is next to my bedroom where I had a tv there too) and the one in living room asked to inspect my tv so I let him but he couldn't move it as it was a old fashioned one weighing like 6 stone!


    He decided to just "let me off" and mark property as not needing one but would be back 6 months later.


    I moved a few months later anyway so never saw him again.
    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 27th Jul 17, 11:41 PM
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    Why would you let them in to check your equipment. They are nothing more than salesmen - they have no authority to demand access into your property no more than I do.

    Nothing to hide - still doesn't mean they are coming in.
    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 27th Jul 17, 11:46 PM
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    So, do we have to let the authorities into our house to prove that we don't have a TV, or can we tell them to please go away?
    Originally posted by Beenie
    Which ever you do, it won't stop the endless stream of harassing letters. Letting them in and showing them round might give you some respite for a few months. But they have no legal authority to enter and conduct a search (unless they have a warrant from the courts).

    I have had one visit in the last four years, and declined to answer the guy's questions. When he asked to come in, he got a blunt refusal on health & safety grounds as well as lacking suitable protective clothing. The letters still come each month - I don't bother opening them now, and when the pile is big enough, I'll box them up and send them back (at their expense).
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    • Fonque
    • By Fonque 24th Aug 17, 5:23 PM
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    I've recently moved into a new flat and have just recieved one of the delightful Threatograms from TV licensing.
    Apparently someone will visit the property on a particular date, but then admits that it may be on that date or possibly later, we're not sure. Along with an inkjet printed stamp & signature saying "Enforcement Officer Visit Approved". Looks very professional and official (for a 5 year old on photoshop)

    Not only is it factually / lawfully incorrect, stating that :
    "Any programme you download or watch that is not being shown as live TV. On demand includes catch up TV. These programmes can be accessed on a website or through an app on a smart TV, digital box or any other device. On demand can also include exclusive programmes that are only available online"

    It would make people feel that if they watch TV exclusively on catchup sites or subscription based services of a non-BBC related nature they'd still have to get the licence, which is not the case.

    I am also miffed that if someone can't afford the lump sum of £147 and doesn't want to set a DD they will get penalised heavily:
    If you don’t want to set up a Direct Debit, you may want to consider paying using a TV Licensing Payment Card. You can use this card to spread the cost of your colour TV Licence by making weekly or monthly payments, with weekly payments costing £6 per week

    So should you pay this way for a full year thats £312. They manage to screw another £165 out of you by "helping you spread the cost". Yeah, real helpful there.

    I don't think I will be paying the TV licence as I don't watch anything live. However I would like access to certain programmes through the iPlayer but I'd prefer it if I could pay just for the contents I want (like Netflix), as I do like the variety of documentaries and arts programmes (and Dr Who!) that the BBC produces.
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    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 24th Aug 17, 6:45 PM
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    I've recently moved into a new flat and have just recieved one of the delightful Threatograms from TV licensing.
    Apparently someone will visit the property on a particular date, but then admits that it may be on that date or possibly later, we're not sure. Along with an inkjet printed stamp & signature saying "Enforcement Officer Visit Approved". Looks very professional and official (for a 5 year old on photoshop)

    Not only is it factually / lawfully incorrect, stating that :
    "Any programme you download or watch that is not being shown as live TV. On demand includes catch up TV. These programmes can be accessed on a website or through an app on a smart TV, digital box or any other device. On demand can also include exclusive programmes that are only available online"

    It would make people feel that if they watch TV exclusively on catchup sites or subscription based services of a non-BBC related nature they'd still have to get the licence, which is not the case.
    Originally posted by Fonque
    This is what they do. It's a national disgrace.

    I find it implausible that one of the wealthiest communication organisations in the World seems to be unable to consistently hit an accurate, lawful and respectful tone.

    I am also miffed that if someone can't afford the lump sum of £147 and doesn't want to set a DD they will get penalised heavily:
    If you don’t want to set up a Direct Debit, you may want to consider paying using a TV Licensing Payment Card. You can use this card to spread the cost of your colour TV Licence by making weekly or monthly payments, with weekly payments costing £6 per week

    So should you pay this way for a full year thats £312. They manage to screw another £165 out of you by "helping you spread the cost". Yeah, real helpful there.
    It's not quite as bad as it sounds. The pre-payment schemes require that you pay for your first annual Licence over a period of 6 months. You do pay double, but you have double the benefit. At the end of your Licence (maybe 20 years hence) you get the money back.

    I don't think I will be paying the TV licence as I don't watch anything live. However I would like access to certain programmes through the iPlayer but I'd prefer it if I could pay just for the contents I want (like Netflix), as I do like the variety of documentaries and arts programmes (and Dr Who!) that the BBC produces.
    I've just signed up for Netflix as a legally Licence-free household. I was impressed from the outset with the sheer quantity and quality of the content available. Netflix seem to be adding impressive new content constantly (unlike Now TV), although it does all seem a little daunting, and I have started watching a number of things before deciding that they are "not for me".

    In particular, there are a large number of the feature-length documentaries that the US independents do so well. There's also Doctor Who (though I never watched that, so don't know how far behind it is).
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 24-08-2017 at 6:49 PM.
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    • CC_Popsicle
    • By CC_Popsicle 13th Sep 17, 2:15 PM
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    Which ever you do, it won't stop the endless stream of harassing letters. Letting them in and showing them round might give you some respite for a few months. But they have no legal authority to enter and conduct a search (unless they have a warrant from the courts).

    I have had one visit in the last four years, and declined to answer the guy's questions. When he asked to come in, he got a blunt refusal on health & safety grounds as well as lacking suitable protective clothing. The letters still come each month - I don't bother opening them now, and when the pile is big enough, I'll box them up and send them back (at their expense).
    Originally posted by FreeBear

    Great coming back and seeing this thread is still active.

    I'm sure you will have read, best policy, don't let them in. If you answer say nothing relevant or absolutely nothing at all, then they can't (mis)quote you in anyway.

    I like the refusual on health and safety grounds, most of the goon's won't have a clue, though it might antagonise the absolute jobsworth goons asking if they have a valid risk assessment and adequate insurance when I claim to have no insurance on the property and dodgy electrics.

    I'm planning on telling the idiot i have sick children sleeping. It will take an a** to then knock harder but I'll be ready with a camera not answering them but filming them from another window.
    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 13th Sep 17, 6:22 PM
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    Received another threat-o-gram in the post last week with an extra window in the envelope with "14th" circled. Opened it up and it's giving me the opportunity (nice of them) to get licensed before the 14th September wise they will send the heavies round.

    It just assumes that I watch live TV broadcasts without question.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 13th Sep 17, 8:08 PM
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    They are masters of threats that can be explained away - though I can't honestly see the point of that. Not only that, but it's astoundingly patronising.

    So their letters talk about being "correctly Licensed" - meaning that you have a Licence if you need one, not if you don't.
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 13-09-2017 at 8:11 PM.
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    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 13th Sep 17, 11:28 PM
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    Received another threat-o-gram in the post last week with an extra window in the envelope with "14th" circled. Opened it up and it's giving me the opportunity (nice of them) to get licensed before the 14th September wise they will send the heavies round.
    Originally posted by LeeUK
    I don't even bother opening them. When a new one comes through the letterbox, it just get chucked on the growing pile.
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    • Dataless
    • By Dataless 14th Sep 17, 2:09 PM
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    Has Capita Abused Your Data
    Hi All

    I am looking for some help by means of confirmation and maybe joining me in a complaint.

    Now I hate Capita and their TV Licence goon squad, but I also hate the other parts of Capita that you may not be so aware of, the ones that prevent newly qualified GP's or Dentists start work because of delays at Crapita.

    Capital also manage databases for hundreds of organisations, from share registers to the DWP, I have seen reports in the past of them not respecting the Chinese Walls of these databases and using them to gather more data.

    Although I have not had need of a licence for many years, I have had a few "confrontations" with TVL goons, with them obtaining access to premises under false pretexts.

    So the other day I found that Capita had added my name to their database, as it happens, it is to my last address where they apparently have me as a "no tv licence needed".

    Now I have never given them my name, so I called them up and asked them to tell me how they obtained my name and who created this No TV record.

    They told me when the record was created and they alleged it was done over the Internet.

    I know this to be nonsense as I did not even have internet access at that time and I would never be so stupid as to give them my data and I would never complete the NoTV form either.

    I am going to do a subject access request and request more data, what I would like your help with is to let me know if this has happened to you (PM me if you do not want to post on the forum).

    I am wondering if the TVL goon perhaps created the NoTV needed record but he never had my name, I guess it is possible they got that from another database.

    If any of you have found that Capita have obtained your personal data, can you also post to let us know if you called them to ask them to provide the source of their data (Data Protection Request)?

    Thanks in Advance
    Last edited by Dataless; 14-09-2017 at 2:11 PM.
    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 14th Sep 17, 4:35 PM
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    I don't even bother opening them. When a new one comes through the letterbox, it just get chucked on the growing pile.
    Originally posted by FreeBear
    Usually I just rip them up unopened and straight into the bin, but seeing as it had been a while I thought I'd see what this one was about.
    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 14th Sep 17, 4:38 PM
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    Hi All

    I am looking for some help by means of confirmation and maybe joining me in a complaint.

    Now I hate Capita and their TV Licence goon squad, but I also hate the other parts of Capita that you may not be so aware of, the ones that prevent newly qualified GP's or Dentists start work because of delays at Crapita.

    Capital also manage databases for hundreds of organisations, from share registers to the DWP, I have seen reports in the past of them not respecting the Chinese Walls of these databases and using them to gather more data.

    Although I have not had need of a licence for many years, I have had a few "confrontations" with TVL goons, with them obtaining access to premises under false pretexts.

    So the other day I found that Capita had added my name to their database, as it happens, it is to my last address where they apparently have me as a "no tv licence needed".

    Now I have never given them my name, so I called them up and asked them to tell me how they obtained my name and who created this No TV record.

    They told me when the record was created and they alleged it was done over the Internet.

    I know this to be nonsense as I did not even have internet access at that time and I would never be so stupid as to give them my data and I would never complete the NoTV form either.

    I am going to do a subject access request and request more data, what I would like your help with is to let me know if this has happened to you (PM me if you do not want to post on the forum).

    I am wondering if the TVL goon perhaps created the NoTV needed record but he never had my name, I guess it is possible they got that from another database.

    If any of you have found that Capita have obtained your personal data, can you also post to let us know if you called them to ask them to provide the source of their data (Data Protection Request)?

    Thanks in Advance
    Originally posted by Dataless
    Capita manage my company pension scheme, but they have never put two and two together as the TVL letters still always have "Legal Occupier" as the name.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 14th Sep 17, 4:40 PM
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    Now I have never given them my name...
    Originally posted by Dataless
    They have recently (in the past year) contracted with a database marketing company called Acxiom to obtain Name details for addresses from apparently opted-in marketing sources.

    Obviously, this should not then appear on a No-Licence Needed entry without your consent, but that could be the original source.
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 25-09-2017 at 10:28 AM.
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    • Churchbells21
    • By Churchbells21 25th Sep 17, 8:18 AM
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    Watching catchup somewhere else
    I cannot find an answer to this one. I have cancelled my TV licence because I just don't watch live TV any more (or BBC catchup). However my question is, if I take my laptop to a friends house who has tv licence, can I watch a catchup programme on my laptop at their house?
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