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    • MISSY_me
    • By MISSY_me 11th Feb 18, 9:02 PM
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    Euro Car Park PCN at Shorne Woods Country Parks -
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    • 11th Feb 18, 9:02 PM
    Euro Car Park PCN at Shorne Woods Country Parks - 11th Feb 18 at 9:02 PM
    In the middle of January, my family decided to go to the Shorne Woods Country Parks - Gravesend. But by the time we got there it was already 3; 30 pm. and is getting cold and dark. We drove into the car park and was wondering shall we stay or go back home. Without me and the kids leaving the car my husband spotted some friends and spend some time talking to them and in a while, we went back home, Anyway a week after a received a PCN by post from Euro car park with a picture of the vehicle`s plates and inserted day and time. Breach of terms and Conditions stated is No valid pay and display /[ermit was purchased. Ok, but actually we didn`t park the car and left it unattended. They said we were staying there 45 minutes, but they were in the car. Please, advice, I read so much in this forum and I got a bit confused. Do I have any chance to appeal? Thanks
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 11th Feb 18, 9:16 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 9:16 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 9:16 PM
    The car was parked. It matters not whether anyone got out or not, or turned off the engine, it was parked.

    Please read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES then send the appeal template you will find there.

    Please confirm the precise name of the parking company as there are several with similar names. If it's Euro Car Parks Limited then they are BPA members, so a PoPLA appeal is available to the keeper if/when the initial appeal is rejected.
    Last edited by Fruitcake; 11-02-2018 at 9:19 PM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Feb 18, 9:34 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 9:34 PM
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    Why didn't you pay and display? Makes no sense at all. Staying there over 40 minutes, neither of you thought you had to pay? It's people like that who cause this industry to grow...wise up to contracts or they come back to bite.

    But even worse is the scam of the private parking industry and the bottom-feeders that the whole thing attracts, with an agenda of making money from the hapless public, for no service whatsoever.

    Why don't you simply follow the NEWBIES thread to beat them? Not sure what about the template appeal was confusing, it's just copy & paste, not hard to understand.

    The NEWBIES thread also says at the start:

    Q - ''I have read the NEWBIES thread but cannot find anything specific to my case...my case is different''.

    A - NO IT ISN'T. YOU DO NOT NEED SPECIFICS. FORGET THE DETAIL, MOST CASES ARE ALL THE SAME.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Edna Basher
    • By Edna Basher 11th Feb 18, 9:46 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 9:46 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 9:46 PM
    Shorne Woods is one of Kent County Council's country parks. They used to be warden-controlled - hence why the signs still say "Pay & Display". However, about 3 years ago, Euro Car Parks (with the Council's permission) converted them to ANPR cameras - even though the Government does not allow ANPR to be used in council-owned car parks.

    Check out a couple of recent threads concerning KCC's country parks - there's a strong argument that the car parks (being provided by a County Council) are not "relevant land" meaning that Euro Car Parks have no right to seek to hold the vehicle's keeper liable for the unpaid parking charge.
    • MISSY_me
    • By MISSY_me 12th Feb 18, 10:41 AM
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    • 12th Feb 18, 10:41 AM
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    • 12th Feb 18, 10:41 AM
    Thank you all for your advice! We didn't pay and displayed because I didn't know it works like that. Not to mention that the machine next to us was broken that day. I had to cross the car park to pay eve though we werent sure we will be staying there.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 12th Feb 18, 11:11 AM
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    • 12th Feb 18, 11:11 AM
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    • 12th Feb 18, 11:11 AM
    It is mainly a scam, but you did bilk.

    However, the scam trumps the bilk imo so complain robustly to your MP, but first watch this.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    How much would the council want if you failed to pay in one ot their car parks? If it is less than the scammer wants, also complain to the council, (copied to your local paper). However, dis-allusion yourself that you did not park, you certainly did.
    Last edited by The Deep; 12-02-2018 at 11:16 AM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Feb 18, 4:01 PM
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    • 12th Feb 18, 4:01 PM
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    • 12th Feb 18, 4:01 PM
    Thank you all for your advice! We didn't pay and displayed because I didn't know it works like that. Not to mention that the machine next to us was broken that day. I had to cross the car park to pay eve though we werent sure we will be staying there.
    Originally posted by MISSY_me
    So now you know what to do, from the NEWBIES FAQS thread. Nothing different.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • MISSY_me
    • By MISSY_me 12th Feb 18, 4:12 PM
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    • 12th Feb 18, 4:12 PM
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    However, the scam trumps the bilk imo so complain robustly to your MP, but first watch this.
    I`m sorry. what does it mean MP? Thanks.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Feb 18, 4:53 PM
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    • 12th Feb 18, 4:53 PM
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    MP is obviously your Member of Parliament!
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • MISSY_me
    • By MISSY_me 14th Feb 18, 9:07 AM
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    Hello again. Just to ask, is it worth to complain to Kent Council too. After all they are the land owners. Thanks
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 14th Feb 18, 10:06 AM
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    Hello again. Just to ask, is it worth to complain to Kent Council too. After all they are the land owners. Thanks
    Originally posted by MISSY_me
    The more complaints they get, the better. So why not?
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

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    • snnl
    • By snnl 14th Feb 18, 10:42 AM
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    Without going in to the rights and wrongs about if you was 'parked' or not you can simply appeal directly to the land owner and explain it to them and see if they will get ECP to cancel the PCN.

    I know its possible as I have had a ticket from ECP at the same car park (except mine was a simple case of wrong car reg) you can read it here: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5628041

    I emailed exactly what happened to this email address kentcountryparks@kent.gov.uk and about two weeks later I got a reply from Country@kent.gov.uk. A representative then contacted ECP to cancel the ticket (much to their dislike).

    Now I cant promise they will cancel it, again wont go in to details about if you was technically parked or not without displaying, however its worth a try.

    Hope this helps out.
    • MISSY_me
    • By MISSY_me 15th Feb 18, 9:39 AM
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    Thank you for the advice snnl! Unfortunately I the link to the forum is not working Still I still appeal the charge while i am wawiting the Council to get back to me?
    Thanks!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Feb 18, 1:38 PM
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    What link to what forum isn't working?

    Please read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES then send the appeal template you will find there. You don't need a link to find page one of this forum (my signature tells you where the NEWBIES thread is).
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Castle
    • By Castle 16th Feb 18, 1:05 PM
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    Win at POPLA, (no landowner authorisation), for the same site just reported:-
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4488337&page=147
    • Molts
    • By Molts 16th Feb 18, 2:31 PM
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    Win at POPLA, (no landowner authorisation), for the same site just reported:-
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4488337&page=147
    Yeah, they made me fight for it but was an easy win really - could have won on multiple appeal points.

    Hello again. Just to ask, is it worth to complain to Kent Council too. After all they are the land owners. Thanks
    Personally I would do both. As C-M advised send template appeal in to ECP, wait for the arbitrary rejection notice and come back here for assistance with POPLA appeal.
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