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    • mystic_bertie
    • By mystic_bertie 8th Feb 18, 1:28 PM
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    1 Bedroom House New Build - Is It A Bad Idea?
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    • 8th Feb 18, 1:28 PM
    1 Bedroom House New Build - Is It A Bad Idea? 8th Feb 18 at 1:28 PM
    Hi guys.

    I am looking to buy a house, at the moment im in a private rented property, im not a first time buyer. I live between Coventry and Leicester and the standard of pre owned houses it atrocious, to the point i cant find something i like and that meets my requirements.

    I have found a detached 1 bedroom bungalow for sale, its a new build for £199k and available through the help to buy scheme. This makes it affordable for me. I would not normally go for a 1 bedroom house but it meets my needs. It has a large living room and 1 upstairs large main bedroom, i mean large by today's new house standard. The alternative is a 2 bedroom semi house for the same price, i dont like these tiny boxes that are all crammed together with no gardens and an allocated parking space. So i have no need for a second bedroom other than to store junk. Is buying a one bedroom bungalow a bad idea. I dont want to buy a house that im going to struggle to sell. I know it wont appeal to most people but is it going to be nearly impossible to sell later on?

    As this is a new detached one bedroom bungalow house with the bedroom in the 1st floor it is quite spacious, how do i know what to offer as i cant compare it to anything else that has sold because there is nothing similar. All the other new build bungalows are 2 bedroom. Any i have seen in a wider radius are old and in a bad decorative condition, so you cant compare the prices. I just know i would rather buy this 1 bedroom bungalow that the small 2 bedroom semi detached houses that are available.
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    • Penitent
    • By Penitent 8th Feb 18, 3:48 PM
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    This is near the top of your pre-owned budget, but you'd get a hell of a lot more house for your money and it's nearer where you work. Needs cheering up a bit, but nothing major.
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-47906490.html

    Again, bit of minor updating needed. The photos are !!!!, but the rooms seem decently proportioned from the text.
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-52451778.html

    Way below budget, needs nothing doing. I actually really like this one.
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-52781370.html
    • mystic_bertie
    • By mystic_bertie 8th Feb 18, 4:08 PM
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    This is near the top of your pre-owned budget, but you'd get a hell of a lot more house for your money and it's nearer where you work. Needs cheering up a bit, but nothing major.
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-47906490.html

    Again, bit of minor updating needed. The photos are !!!!, but the rooms seem decently proportioned from the text.
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-52451778.html

    Way below budget, needs nothing doing. I actually really like this one.
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-52781370.html
    Originally posted by Penitent
    Thanks for the links but its tricky for anyone to find me a property if they dont know my requirements, some might say im too fussy. I was living in Scotland up until 2 years ago. I sold a new build 3 bedroom semi (bought 2008) for 125k which was my home survey valuation price. It had a good size front and rear garden and a tarmac driveway for 2 cars, it had about 400 sq/ft top and bottom levels and way bigger than new build today. I did not consider it a big house. The houses are also well spaced out with a 2 driveway width between them. You cant buy a new build that size now in this area, tiny boxes crammed together with no garden.

    I have an audi A8 so i need a big parking space on my property, i dont want an allocated parking space or offroad parking that is not part of my garden.

    I would like front and rear gardens although i could live without a front garden.

    I dont consider a living room of 12 x 12 big enough, even some older buildings in england have tiny living rooms and are crammed together with no parking and nowhere space between the houses.

    I want a decent sized bedroom too. 2 or 3 bedroom house is fine.

    Garage would be ideal but not essential.

    Conservetory not my thing but would be nice to have.

    Move in condition or minimal work required.

    I dont like Coventry. Like the first white house you linked to. It is on a 4 lane main road. A lot of street you look at using goggle street view shows some right horrible looking streets even though that one house looks ok.

    This house i like and meets my needs but Desford is a bit far away and only has one pub. I drove by the house, it looks good and Desford is a good looking villiage. It only has one pub though and not many bigger towns nearby. Leicester is 7 miles away and Desford has no train station so its a bit out the way.

    https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/46500813?search_identifier=663f5715a1b82a9d17a9c8f eca2a61c4#gidKJbu10TYeYKKh.97
    • Penitent
    • By Penitent 8th Feb 18, 4:23 PM
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    Ah, yeah, if you're comparing what you can get in Scotland to what you can get here, you're going to be disappointed.

    It's sounds like you've fallen into the price vs location vs size/quality trap. The last time I was looking, the size/quality I wanted in the area I wanted cost about £50-100k more than my budget. I didn't want to compromise on area, so I was looking for places in crappy condition or some other compromise I could fix over time.
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 8th Feb 18, 4:28 PM
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    My sister and her husband had a two bedroomed bungalow in which they sacrificed a bedroom to make a dining room, separated off by glass doors.


    This property sold very quickly (a few days) to a single lady, but she only needed one bedroom but with everything on one floor.


    I imagine that the majority of bungalow seekers are those who are older or whose families have left home, with an eye to the future when no stairs will make life easier.
    • vicki2221
    • By vicki2221 8th Feb 18, 4:59 PM
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    I have a one bedroom house with large gardens, garage, driveway. I sold if after 1 month (with a little help from MSE forum because my original listing was terrible). The sale fell through a week ago but since then I have had 6 viewings and 4 offers!! It's been in high demand from FTB, even though it is just 1 bed. We were also FTB when we bought it and 1 bed didn't bother us. I think you will be able to sell it on as long as the other benefits of the property, the space etc are communicated well. So if you love it, get it I would say.
    • Cakeguts
    • By Cakeguts 8th Feb 18, 5:07 PM
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    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-63580789.html This is what one bed houses sell for.
    • hazyjo
    • By hazyjo 8th Feb 18, 5:19 PM
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    I have a one bedroom house with large gardens, garage, driveway. I sold if after 1 month (with a little help from MSE forum because my original listing was terrible). The sale fell through a week ago but since then I have had 6 viewings and 4 offers!! It's been in high demand from FTB, even though it is just 1 bed. We were also FTB when we bought it and 1 bed didn't bother us. I think you will be able to sell it on as long as the other benefits of the property, the space etc are communicated well. So if you love it, get it I would say.
    Originally posted by vicki2221

    I was going to quote your thread, Vicki

    Sorry to hear about your sale collapsing. So glad to hear it's all coming together again though.

    Have we actually established whether the chalet bungalow the OP was thinking about is freehold? May be leasehold if a newbuild.

    Vicki, if I remember rightly, yours felt more like a house. I think with a bungalow (even a chalet one), it will be less desirable for FTBs. And the usual market of older people will be limited as the bedroom's upstairs and there's no second bed for family or future carer. Yours I would have thought about Vic, but not this bungalow even though it looks quite nice. Plus yours was in Tunbridge Wells which I love and I think fairly central whereas this looks to be in a much quieter location.

    OP - have to say, I think you've made the right decision. One more bed and I'd have been singing its praises (apart from the lack of bath )
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    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 8th Feb 18, 5:50 PM
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    I looked at a new (ish) 1 bedroom house at the same price as this down here on the Kent coast. Agent thought it would go quickly because of the location.

    I am 64 and I really liked it. I do not want a bungalow and I liked the space of this one. I live on my own and a number of my friends in the same age group liked it too. In the end, I decided against it as it had two steep flights of stairs. I would have been okay with one (that is what I have now) but my knees are a bit wonky.

    I would have thought there would be a demand for a one bedroom house from people like me. Getting on, by themselves but not into bungalows or flats. But, as I say, the location is different!
    Last edited by NeilCr; 08-02-2018 at 5:53 PM.
    • AFF8879
    • By AFF8879 8th Feb 18, 9:59 PM
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    The whole appeal of a bungalow is to have everything on one floor. Having the bedroom upstairs pretty much eliminates your entire target market for that sort of property, should you want to sell in the future.
    • POPPYOSCAR
    • By POPPYOSCAR 8th Feb 18, 10:42 PM
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    Yes you pay a premium for new build.

    Shame it is not where we live at that price it wold be snapped up before it was built.

    1 bed houses around here go for at least £245,000, terraced, and half that size!!

    Even then ,as there are not many around they are bought as soon as they come on the market.
    • mystic_bertie
    • By mystic_bertie 9th Feb 18, 8:53 PM
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    Ah, yeah, if you're comparing what you can get in Scotland to what you can get here, you're going to be disappointed.

    It's sounds like you've fallen into the price vs location vs size/quality trap. The last time I was looking, the size/quality I wanted in the area I wanted cost about £50-100k more than my budget. I didn't want to compromise on area, so I was looking for places in crappy condition or some other compromise I could fix over time.
    Originally posted by Penitent
    Yes i am disappointed big time with the properties in this area. Its not just the new houses that are tiny. A lot of older traditional houses have living rooms about 11 x 12ft and its too small for me. They dont have big front gardens and you need to park on the street. They are also rather close together. I would be ok with fixing a cheap house up but i dont have any spare funds to do so. I dont want my money consumed by doing up a house for the next year or so. I dont think a loan is a good idea either.


    My sister and her husband had a two bedroomed bungalow in which they sacrificed a bedroom to make a dining room, separated off by glass doors.


    This property sold very quickly (a few days) to a single lady, but she only needed one bedroom but with everything on one floor.


    I imagine that the majority of bungalow seekers are those who are older or whose families have left home, with an eye to the future when no stairs will make life easier.
    Originally posted by teddysmum
    Yes this is very true and your sister was lucky. Any houses i have sold in the past have always sold quite soon after going on the market, even when i rented a house out i was lucky there too. I dont want landed with a home i cant sell and so im not taking the chance with this property

    I have a one bedroom house with large gardens, garage, driveway. I sold if after 1 month (with a little help from MSE forum because my original listing was terrible). The sale fell through a week ago but since then I have had 6 viewings and 4 offers!! It's been in high demand from FTB, even though it is just 1 bed. We were also FTB when we bought it and 1 bed didn't bother us. I think you will be able to sell it on as long as the other benefits of the property, the space etc are communicated well. So if you love it, get it I would say.
    Originally posted by vicki2221
    Thanks for sharing your experience. Im sorry to hear it fell through but luckily you still have more interest. I was so tempted by this house but as im not sure of how long i will stay there i do not think its worth the risk on this occasion. Thanks anyway
    • Penitent
    • By Penitent 9th Feb 18, 9:09 PM
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    Yes i am disappointed big time with the properties in this area. Its not just the new houses that are tiny. A lot of older traditional houses have living rooms about 11 x 12ft and its too small for me. They dont have big front gardens and you need to park on the street. They are also rather close together. I would be ok with fixing a cheap house up but i dont have any spare funds to do so. I dont want my money consumed by doing up a house for the next year or so. I dont think a loan is a good idea either.
    Originally posted by mystic_bertie
    If it's any consolation, I'm starting to look at moving again and my max is (way) less than half your pre-owned house budget, so you can probably imagine the size, quality and areas I'm chosing from. Thankfully, I like poky flats (less to clean, which is particularly important when they're manky when you move in).

    I do think you're fussy and that isn't necessarily a bad thing, as long as you recognise that what you want may not be available at the price you want to pay.

    Just to add another couple of examples from north of Cov.

    More spacious living room, but the bedrooms might be small for you. Actual bungalow, garage, lots of parking, quieter road, very much done up.
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-63399352.html

    Spacious, parking, etc.
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-62171587.html

    There are properties with bigger rooms, in nice areas, done up, etc., but they're not selling for £170k.
    Last edited by Penitent; 09-02-2018 at 9:37 PM.
    • gycraig
    • By gycraig 9th Feb 18, 9:09 PM
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    Problem is your budget doesn!!!8217;t match what you think it should buy.

    Choices are settle for something for a few years then move or save more deposit, the house you want exist but people in your area are willing to pay a premium for them.

    You can!!!8217;t set a budget, choose an area and pick a house size you want then just say !!!8220;there!!!8217;s nothing like it round here!!!8221;

    I did similar when I was buying and had to compromise on size in the end as it allowed me to be in a new build near the train station I needed, best thing iv ever done
    • mystic_bertie
    • By mystic_bertie 9th Feb 18, 9:32 PM
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    Originally posted by Cakeguts
    It not quite a good comparison.

    I was going to quote your thread, Vicki

    Sorry to hear about your sale collapsing. So glad to hear it's all coming together again though.

    OP - have to say, I think you've made the right decision. One more bed and I'd have been singing its praises (apart from the lack of bath )
    Originally posted by hazyjo
    Thanks for your reply. I think your right about having another bedroom, sadly it was not to be.

    I looked at a new (ish) 1 bedroom house at the same price as this down here on the Kent coast. Agent thought it would go quickly because of the location.

    I am 64 and I really liked it. I do not want a bungalow and I liked the space of this one. I live on my own and a number of my friends in the same age group liked it too. In the end, I decided against it as it had two steep flights of stairs. I would have been okay with one (that is what I have now) but my knees are a bit wonky.

    I would have thought there would be a demand for a one bedroom house from people like me. Getting on, by themselves but not into bungalows or flats. But, as I say, the location is different!
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    Yes it is hard to predict what future buyers you could find. I was telling myself it would be ok but after reading a lot of the replies on here, it made me realise it was a risk. Im from Scotland and im not experienced with buying properties in England. I dont know enough about that area where the house is and i wont get a truthful answer if i ask the selling agent. So i have nobody to ask for help.
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 9th Feb 18, 9:44 PM
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    There are few 1 bed properties because 2 beds are usually priced just a little bit more, so people tend to feel the 1-bed's overpriced and there's only 1-2 for sale, whereas for £20k more or so you have a choice of 40-50 2-beds.

    That's a nice little house and, bizarrely, they could've made it a 2-bed by putting bed 2 where the en-suite is and having a bathroom and/or an en-suite along the wall a bit. Strange they didn't do that!

    It's also a shame they put the loo in the middle, instead of under the stairs, as the living room'd have been bigger.

    I'd buy it if it were all I could afford and it were in the right location; it's new so what's not to like. I'd have a bit of an issue over the living room only being 10' wide as it's then just a corridor....

    Looking at other prices/houses locally, others seem "better value for money" - and I think the price is optimistic based purely on a bizarre snobbery value of the word "detached".
    • mystic_bertie
    • By mystic_bertie 9th Feb 18, 9:51 PM
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    The whole appeal of a bungalow is to have everything on one floor. Having the bedroom upstairs pretty much eliminates your entire target market for that sort of property, should you want to sell in the future.
    Originally posted by AFF8879
    Yes your right and thanks for yout thoughts.

    Yes you pay a premium for new build.

    Shame it is not where we live at that price it wold be snapped up before it was built.

    1 bed houses around here go for at least £245,000, terraced, and half that size!!

    Even then ,as there are not many around they are bought as soon as they come on the market.
    Originally posted by POPPYOSCAR
    I would not like to be buying a house where you live. I dont see anything else i like as the 2 and 3 bedroom semi's dont have enough room and the housing estates are like giant car parks, brick houses galore and loads of parked cars. The attractive gardens and nice estate setting has gone out the window because of the greed of the builders.

    Problem is your budget doesn!!!8217;t match what you think it should buy.

    Choices are settle for something for a few years then move or save more deposit, the house you want exist but people in your area are willing to pay a premium for them.

    You can!!!8217;t set a budget, choose an area and pick a house size you want then just say !!!8220;there!!!8217;s nothing like it round here!!!8221;

    I did similar when I was buying and had to compromise on size in the end as it allowed me to be in a new build near the train station I needed, best thing iv ever done
    Originally posted by gycraig
    Sounds like this has worked out great for you. Glad to hear you in a good place now. I am 48 and i have stayed quite a few houses by now. I am used to the cheaper and bigger land and bigger houses you get in Scotland. I cant adapt to the small living spaces in a lot of the houses here. I could if i had no choice. I agree i am stuck because of what i am used to and i cannot buy anything similar here without robbing a bank. My wages have went up a lot compared to what i was paid in Scotland yet i feel anything i can afford to buy is a downgrade. That is why i am so fussy. I will need to persevere until i find something.
    • mystic_bertie
    • By mystic_bertie 9th Feb 18, 10:08 PM
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    If it's any consolation, I'm starting to look at moving again and my max is (way) less than half your pre-owned house budget, so you can probably imagine the size, quality and areas I'm chosing from. Thankfully, I like poky flats (less to clean, which is particularly important when they're manky when you move in).

    I do think you're fussy and that isn't necessarily a bad thing, as long as you recognise that what you want may not be available at the price you want to pay.

    Just to add another couple of examples from north of Cov.

    More spacious living room, but the bedrooms might be small for you. Actual bungalow, garage, lots of parking, quieter road, very much done up.
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-63399352.html

    Spacious, parking, etc.
    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-62171587.html

    There are properties with bigger rooms, in nice areas, done up, etc., but they're not selling for £170k.
    Originally posted by Penitent
    Good luck with your house search when the time comes. Those houses do look amazing. I think i should start playing the lottery. If i was selling a house i would tart it up a bit to sell it. From the houses for sale i have seen i dont see anybody making that effort. I also hate cleaning when you move into a house and im never content until everything has been cleaned.

    I will post a link to my old house in Scotland, this is purely to let you see what i sold for 125k - 22 months ago. I considered this smaller than i wanted when i moved into it yet i can now consider it spacious compared to new modern build standards. My house had a front garden, double driveway, decent back garden, houses not crammed together in a big car park esq setting.

    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=42118237&sale=398316&coun try=scotland

    There are few 1 bed properties because 2 beds are usually priced just a little bit more, so people tend to feel the 1-bed's overpriced and there's only 1-2 for sale, whereas for £20k more or so you have a choice of 40-50 2-beds.

    That's a nice little house and, bizarrely, they could've made it a 2-bed by putting bed 2 where the en-suite is and having a bathroom and/or an en-suite along the wall a bit. Strange they didn't do that!

    It's also a shame they put the loo in the middle, instead of under the stairs, as the living room'd have been bigger.

    I'd buy it if it were all I could afford and it were in the right location; it's new so what's not to like. I'd have a bit of an issue over the living room only being 10' wide as it's then just a corridor....

    Looking at other prices/houses locally, others seem "better value for money" - and I think the price is optimistic based purely on a bizarre snobbery value of the word "detached".
    Originally posted by PasturesNew
    Yes i now wish they had added another room. I would prefer a wider living room but that one is fine because of its good length. Its a pity because i got excited about it, the blinkers were on. Now i see sense thanks to everyone on this thread. There is no 2 and 3 bedroom semi;s that i consider spacious enough and so ill just keep looking for a preowned house.
    • mystic_bertie
    • By mystic_bertie 9th Feb 18, 10:22 PM
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    this is the new build i could buy a few miles from me at £183k and it is very small and in a nice village. They are too small for me. The three bedroom houses wont be available until August and thats no good, i dont even know if they are big enough. Any new build i can find within the 200k budget do not have enough space for me.

    https://www.zoopla.co.uk/new-homes/details/46134500?search_identifier=72ec7ef92ea0d276cbd881e 87bf0eaa8#rEoLf3I55X0RCzmK.97

    This next one is not too far away, its a 3 bedroom semi and 180k. I went to see these houses. They are in a crammed car park setting with no gardens and allocated parking spaces. This living environment is not for me either. Im a human and i dont want to live in legoland.

    https://www.zoopla.co.uk/new-homes/details/46277469?search_identifier=72ec7ef92ea0d276cbd881e 87bf0eaa8#Cw3M1O4sRkUWT8LM.97
    • Penitent
    • By Penitent 9th Feb 18, 11:40 PM
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    Good luck with your house search when the time comes. Those houses do look amazing. I think i should start playing the lottery. If i was selling a house i would tart it up a bit to sell it. From the houses for sale i have seen i dont see anybody making that effort. I also hate cleaning when you move into a house and im never content until everything has been cleaned.

    I will post a link to my old house in Scotland, this is purely to let you see what i sold for 125k - 22 months ago. I considered this smaller than i wanted when i moved into it yet i can now consider it spacious compared to new modern build standards. My house had a front garden, double driveway, decent back garden, houses not crammed together in a big car park esq setting.

    http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=42118237&sale=398316&coun try=scotland
    Originally posted by mystic_bertie
    Thanks.

    No, a lot of people don't bother tarting up (or even cleaning), but I don't think that's just a Cov/Warks thing. I've noticed the same in a few different areas when I was looking further afield. To be fair, I'd have to clean it even if it looked clean anyway. Never know where folk's grubby mits have been...

    In regards to room sizes, you have to bear in mind that this used to be an industrial area and it's densely populated. When they put up these houses back in the day, they weren't making big airy drawing rooms for the posh folk, they were putting up worker's housing and it had to get fitted into whatever space was available. I suspect you'd see similar housing if you were buying somewhere like Glasgow (albeit for less money).

    Now there's even fewer plots to build on and developers are getting their money's worth by making even teenier houses, so if you're determined to have a new build, you're going to be paying more and getting even less leg room.
    • Penitent
    • By Penitent 9th Feb 18, 11:51 PM
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    It's also worth bearing in mind that prices are rising at quite a healthy rate, so if you spend forever dithering over the little rooms, you might find your buying power has shrunk by the time you've accepted the reality of the local housing stock.
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