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    • Lover of Lycra
    • By Lover of Lycra 5th Feb 18, 10:29 AM
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    Road Traffic Incident and Police Scotland
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    • 5th Feb 18, 10:29 AM
    Road Traffic Incident and Police Scotland 5th Feb 18 at 10:29 AM
    This morning I was involved in an incident where no one was hurt and no vehicles were touched. I was driving to work and turned from a main road into the lane where the office I am working in is based. My office is near a school so I always drive slowly and crawl into the lane because you often get parents parking in the lane with doors wide open trying to wrestle young children out the car.

    This morning as I was turning into the lane I had to come to a complete stop due to a van driver tearing towards me on my side of the lane. The lane is wide enough to accommodate two vehicles passing each other if both vehicles are taking it easy.

    He point blank refused to move and told me to reverse. I told him that you aren't supposed to reverse on to a main road. (This is road which is very busy during rush hour and has parents and school busses dropping kids off.) He said that it wasn't a main road which is BS. He became quite aggressive when I refused to reverse, even if I had decided to reverse I couldn't because of all the traffic, so I just put my car in park.

    He got out his van and sat on a wall to finish his cigarette and then got his phone out to take a photograph of my car and text someone/play a game/whatever. I turned off my engine and took a note of his registration and the company's phone number. I wish I had just taken a photo.

    Eventually he got back in his van and manoeuvred past me, then revered back to hurl some abuse at me. I think he had been working on his parting shot and was quite proud of it.

    I was concerned about his photographing me and my car, don't know why he just gave me the creeps. When I arrived at the office and told my colleagues they said I should report it so I have. Now the police are coming out to see me. I feel a bit silly and like I am wasting police time.

    What would you have done in that situation?
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    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 5th Feb 18, 6:07 PM
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    As he was able to get past you when you eventually decided to move a couple of feet then clearly there was nothing stopping you reversing.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    OP didn't say that they eventually decided to move a couple of feet. They said:

    Indeed he was able to get passed a stationary vehicle once he had backed up a bit and got on his own side of the lane.
    So the OP didn't actually need to move for the van driver to get passed.
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    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 5th Feb 18, 6:32 PM
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    I don't see any issue with the OP reporting it. It's better to have a record of it ASAP rather than be on the back foot if the other driver tries to report it as DWDCA. He didn't ask for a constable to come around the police made that decision themselves. So they don't think it's a waste of time. Who would I listen to - the police or a few people back biting on an internet forum? I'll give you a clue - it's not the latter.

    if the OP had reversed into the main road and there was an incident, he would immediately been held at fault. Would any of you be prepared to indemnify drivers against that?

    No, I thought not.
    • Lover of Lycra
    • By Lover of Lycra 5th Feb 18, 6:41 PM
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    Or look before you found yourself in a narrow stretch of road that wasn't clear.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Unfortunately I left my X-ray specs at home this morning so I couldn't see through the stone wall.

    Often you encounter parents parked up in the lane with doors wide open trying to get their kids out and into school in the morning but you can't physically see them until you've turned into the lane hence why I always turn into the lane slowly which is just as well since there was a van coming at speed on the wrong side.
    Last edited by Lover of Lycra; 05-02-2018 at 6:49 PM.
    • Lover of Lycra
    • By Lover of Lycra 5th Feb 18, 6:49 PM
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    When I come across a similar situation in my lorry I don't reverse either. That is because I cannot safely see what is directly behind me. You in a car can see what is behind you far easier therefore it is easier and safer for you to reverse. When the car driver bluntly refuses to I just sit there too and usually get my newspaper out to make the point.

    Looking at your description it looks like you decided to turn into the lane where he was already in the point that was narrow and you should have waited until he'd passed that point to turn in. You think its wide enough for two cars to pass "if both drivers are careful" which suggests that it is quite narrow. He wasn't in a car, he was in a van with very limited visibility on his left side. His van is also wider than a car so it would make it even tighter for him.

    Sorry but I'm with him. You decided there was enough room, he disagreed. He was already driving in the narrow bit, you chose to turn into the lane and create the situation. His "tearing towards you" as you describe could have been him trying to get through the narrow part quickly to save holding you up but instead of staying put on the main road where you were you chose to turn into the lane because you're either impatient or you're yet another of the countless car drivers I encounter every day who simply don't think further than the 3ft in front of them.

    As he was able to get past you when you eventually decided to move a couple of feet then clearly there was nothing stopping you reversing. You deliberately chose to create the situation like most of those who post videos of their dashcams just so they have something to put on Youtube.

    As for the photo or even the video he might have been taking, he can do whatever he likes with it. It was taken in a public place, its his property. He can make up a mocking montage and post a video of your stupidity on Facebook, Youtube or wherever for the whole world to see if he so chooses. You might end up in one of those UK bad drivers compilations that are on some Youtube channels. Nothing you can do.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    Interesting so even though you are a professional driver you have such little faith in your own driving abilities that you think it is safer for someone to reverse out into a main road and into moving traffic.

    You could have sat and done the Guardian cryptic crossword before I decided it was safe to reverse out on to that road it wouldn't have forced me to budge.

    If my photo does end up in one of those montages it would be a very boring montage....car sits stationary on correct side of the road. Now if I had decided to reverse back on to the main road and caused carnage that would have made for a more worthy entry into the compilation.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 5th Feb 18, 6:49 PM
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    Unfortunately I left my X-ray specs at home this morning so I couldn't see through the stone wall.
    Originally posted by Lover of Lycra
    Streetview?
    • z1a
    • By z1a 5th Feb 18, 6:51 PM
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    Yep, OP at fault, turning blindly into a minor road.
    • Lover of Lycra
    • By Lover of Lycra 5th Feb 18, 7:05 PM
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    Yep, OP at fault, turning blindly into a minor road.
    Originally posted by z1a
    If you say so, I guess I will find out when I speak with the police tomorrow.
    • z1a
    • By z1a 5th Feb 18, 7:25 PM
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    If you say so, I guess I will find out when I speak with the police tomorrow.
    Originally posted by Lover of Lycra
    Yep, course you will.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 5th Feb 18, 7:31 PM
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    I don't get all the hate towards the OP ... the OP was on the correct side of the road; the van driver was proceeding at speed (subjectively) on the wrong side of the road.

    OP ... was there any obvious reason why the van was on the wrong side of the road? Was he just giving parked vehicles excessive space whilst passing?
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    • Lover of Lycra
    • By Lover of Lycra 5th Feb 18, 8:34 PM
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    I don't get all the hate towards the OP ... the OP was on the correct side of the road; the van driver was proceeding at speed (subjectively) on the wrong side of the road.

    OP ... was there any obvious reason why the van was on the wrong side of the road? Was he just giving parked vehicles excessive space whilst passing?
    Originally posted by DoaM
    Iím not sure why the van was on the wrong side. Often you do get cars parking in the lane even though there are double yellow lines but there werenít any parked cars at this time.

    Maybe he came out a drive or car park too fast or was swinging out to turn on to the main road. Who knows?

    I wasnít sure what kind of answers to expect, thatís the nature of public forums I guess. Maybe there are a lot of van drivers posting.
    • irc
    • By irc 5th Feb 18, 9:09 PM
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    "OP ... was there any obvious reason why the van was on the wrong side of the road? Was he just giving parked vehicles excessive space whilst passing?"

    Well we are still waiting for a streetview link to be posted but as the Op says this is a narrow lane near a school driving slowly in the center of the lane may be the safest place. Means there is more space to see kids emerging from between parked cars.

    As for who was more at fault. Without video it's just a he says/she says as it depends too much on variables like relative speeds, exact road widths, vehicle widths etc. All else being equal I'd be reluctant to reverse a van in a narrow lane near a school with children in the area.

    Had this not been two snowflakes one of them could have got out and assisted the other to safely reverse a few feet and clear the way for them and everyone else to go about their day.
    Last edited by irc; 05-02-2018 at 9:10 PM. Reason: typo corrected
    • George Michael
    • By George Michael 5th Feb 18, 9:52 PM
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    He wasn't in a car, he was in a van with very limited visibility on his left side. His van is also wider than a car so it would make it even tighter for him.
    .................
    His "tearing towards you" as you describe could have been him trying to get through the narrow part quickly to save holding you up.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    You make it sound as if you think that someone who was driving a large vehicle with limited visibility (your description) and who was driving quickly (again, your wording) in an area with lots of traffic which was close to a school and with children about was driving in a sensible manner.
    IMO, it sounds like he was driving like a total idiot.
    • Warwick Hunt
    • By Warwick Hunt 5th Feb 18, 10:05 PM
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    I don't see any issue with the OP reporting it. It's better to have a record of it ASAP rather than be on the back foot if the other driver tries to report it as DWDCA. He didn't ask for a constable to come around the police made that decision themselves. So they don't think it's a waste of time. Who would I listen to - the police or a few people back biting on an internet forum? I'll give you a clue - it's not the latter.

    if the OP had reversed into the main road and there was an incident, he would immediately been held at fault. Would any of you be prepared to indemnify drivers against that?

    No, I thought not.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver

    Why? He either has corroborated evidence or he doesnít. The OP canít change any of that now.
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 5th Feb 18, 11:03 PM
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    Fact is if you did reverse onto main road, and posted it here, most would be saying your fault for reversing into a main road, you can't win!
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 5th Feb 18, 11:15 PM
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    I don't get all the hate towards the OP ...
    Originally posted by DoaM
    It's the MSE Motoring section. They don't need any more reason than that
    • Lover of Lycra
    • By Lover of Lycra 6th Feb 18, 12:11 PM
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    For anyone interested I!!!8217;ve just had a conversation with a lovely police officer. I have been assured that reporting road rage incidents is the right thing to do and not a waste of police time. The incident log forms part of police intelligence gathering.

    It was also confirmed that reversing out on to a busy main road would not have been the right course of action.

    For those asking for a streetview I shan!!!8217;t be posting a streetview of somewhere so close to my place of work on a public forum.
    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 6th Feb 18, 12:43 PM
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    Good-oh, just ignore the complainers on here, it's a hobby for most of them.

    Personally I think you did the right thing, I may have been tempted to drive round the van after a while since the road was quiet enough, but I absolutely wouldn't have reversed back out when it was easier and safer for the van to do so.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 6th Feb 18, 3:29 PM
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    Interesting, so the consensus from a number of posters is that the correct course of action would be to ignore the highway code and for me to reverse out on to a busy main road rather than the van driver reversing into an empty lane and moving on to the correct side of the road.
    Originally posted by Lover of Lycra
    Tbh I think part of the issue is how you've described the scenario. You said that the lane was big enough for 2 vehicles to pass (and that you turned from a main road into a lane) - although from later posts it seems that you mistakenly said lane when you should have said road.

    You didn't even tell us why the van was over your side (or even that he was on your side!).

    If you'd said something like: I turned from a main road into a side street and about 30m up the road I had to stop as a van was coming towards me in my lane because xyz (still unclear on why he was in your lane, you mention a stationary vehicle but also that he was able to reverse and get by without you moving).

    Who should have given way would depend on the details.

    Theres a road in my home town that had similar issues - has a nursery at one end, highschool in the middle and primary school at the other end - and connects 2 main roads. Council had to put up signs telling people who should be giving way because most drivers don't seem to know (or seem to think if you get to that spot first, you have right of way).

    In case someone really, really doesn't like you and now has a narrowed down search area of what several square miles....
    Originally posted by Comms69
    OP says their office is on that road (well actually they said lane but I'm assuming they meant road). Could be the only office on there!
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    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 6th Feb 18, 3:39 PM
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    You didn't even tell us why the van was over your side (or even that he was on your side!).
    Originally posted by unholyangel
    The Op was quite specific about this on more than one occasion and they also gave possible reasons why this may have been the case
    I had to stop. I couldn't move forward because he was on my side of the road
    Originally posted by Lover of Lycra
    Iím not sure why the van was on the wrong side. Often you do get cars parking in the lane even though there are double yellow lines but there werenít any parked cars at this time.

    Maybe he came out a drive or car park too fast or was swinging out to turn on to the main road. Who knows?
    Originally posted by Lover of Lycra
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 6th Feb 18, 4:09 PM
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    The Op was quite specific about this on more than one occasion and they also gave possible reasons why this may have been the case
    Originally posted by shaun from Africa
    Yes in posts #18 and #50 (the post I was replying to was #35 btw), not in their OP though (some posters will read replies but not all).

    So at the point the OP was saying about the consensus, even people who had read every reply would only know that the van was on OPs side of the road and not that the vans own side was unobstructed. Plus there was also OP's post #11 of:

    Indeed he was able to get passed a stationary vehicle once he had backed up a bit and got on his own side of the lane.
    Originally posted by Lover of Lycra
    Which I understand might be the OP referring to themselves, but other posters may not have realised that.


    All I'm saying is that OP's description of events has caused some confusion for posters.
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