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    • hartynoll
    • By hartynoll 12th Jan 18, 2:18 PM
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    Gladstones LBC help please!!
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    • 12th Jan 18, 2:18 PM
    Gladstones LBC help please!! 12th Jan 18 at 2:18 PM
    Hi Guru's

    First of all, I have read through the Newbie's thread and googled for a few hours but I am not 100% sure what action to take next so please accept my apologies if you feel that you guys are repeating yourselves.

    First of all, I parked on an unfinished housing site in July 2017, along with about 30 other parents who had been asked to attend a meeting for the kick off of the local rugby elite u16s squad.

    When I returned to my car, I along with most of the others, had PCNs from Millennium on our windscreens. I must say, as others have posted, the signage was tiny and I didn't notice them when driving in.

    I sent them an email on 6th July 2017, which I copied from the NEWBIE thread stating that the signs did not adhere to the large lettering etc etc and requested a POPLA code, or cancel the charge.

    ON 21 July, I had a response from MPG and suprise surprise, I did not get the charge cancelled but neither did I get a POPLA code. They referred me to the IAS, which I can see from here is a waste of time.

    I subsequently had 3 DRP letters, followed by 2 Zenith letters which I have ignored but kept.

    This morning I had a letter from Gladstones Solicitors with a 'Letter Before Claim' heading. Please note that the reference begins with '1' and it asks me to pay the solicitors directly, rather than a DRP.

    I understand that I must now respond to the solicitors, but the examples I have found on here have suggested that MPG or Gladstones provide me with all evidence etc, which they kind of already did in the response to my initial letter.

    Also, there was some regulation change in October 2017, but as the incident was prior to that, should the regulation still need to be followed?

    Thank you for any advice guys, these things really get me down and affect me.

    I also find it strange that the solicitors have only asked for the same amount £160 as MPG did, with none of the usual admin fee or markup that I would have expected
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    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 12th Jan 18, 2:30 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 2:30 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 2:30 PM
    You say that there were about 30 of you parked there. Are you all in touch with each other? How many of you have received this Glsdstone nonsense? Does the letter comply with the revised CPRs?
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • hartynoll
    • By hartynoll 12th Jan 18, 2:39 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 2:39 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 2:39 PM
    Hi Deep

    I'm afraid I only know 1 of them and I believe they paid up right away - fools!

    I'll have to get back to you on the revised CPRs after researching them
    • Redx
    • By Redx 12th Jan 18, 3:03 PM
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    • #4
    • 12th Jan 18, 3:03 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 3:03 PM
    any LBC dated on or AFTER 01 oct 21017 has to follow those new protocols, even if it related to an incident 5 years ago

    you need to compose an LBC REBUTTAL , but should expect to receive an MCOL from Northampton CCBC in any case, probably later this month

    if Millenium were IPC members on the date of this incident , then asking for a popla code was a waste of time as it was never an option, and isnt now either
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • hartynoll
    • By hartynoll 20th Jan 18, 7:58 PM
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    • #5
    • 20th Jan 18, 7:58 PM
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    • 20th Jan 18, 7:58 PM
    Hi All

    How does the below sound as a response to the LBC:

    "Dear sirs,
    any debt to your client is denied as no offer of a contract was ever made to the driver of the vehicle at the time so it stands there was none to breach.

    As the pair of bandits Will and John at the IPC claim they have personally vetted all of the signage at the site then you will have no need to inform your client that they are clearly in breach of the ATA CoP on this as they will be aware of that already.

    Your client will also be aware that adding unspecified additional charges to the alleged debt is unlawful under both consumer and contract law and Civil Procedure Rules so they wont need telling to explain how they arrived at the figure of £150.

    Your client will also know that there is no keeper liability in this matter and I put it to strict proof they show as to who was the driver at the time.

    A stupid response citing Elliott v Loake or CPS v AJH films will cut no ice, we all know what judges say about that particular confection.

    Unless you WANT your client to lose money pursuing this matter you should advise them to reconsider engaging your services to further their claim as it stands no chance of success and will only end up as another heroic failure for Gladstones solicitors on the Parking Prankster's blog."
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 20th Jan 18, 8:15 PM
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    • 20th Jan 18, 8:15 PM
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    • 20th Jan 18, 8:15 PM
    It will wind them up and won't stop them. Up to you though.

    Maybe not a wise response because it will be in the bundle that the Judge will read. I know it's tempting to be facetious when litigious companies send utterly baseless and meritless LBCCCs (been there done that myself in the past) but it's better to maintain the moral and legal high ground.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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