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    • inglorius
    • By inglorius 11th Jan 18, 4:03 PM
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    Work colleague block booking desired holiday dates
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    • 11th Jan 18, 4:03 PM
    Work colleague block booking desired holiday dates 11th Jan 18 at 4:03 PM
    My current çompany have a local rule that no 2 managers can be on leave at the save time, my co manager has been with the business about 6 months and we are asked to book holidays around each other.

    The annual holiday planner went up in the office this week, during a casual conversation with my colleague today they mentioned that they had booked off all of the bank holiday weeks from Easter though to August for the year. I casually asked them where are they going for these dates and they said that they hadn't anything arranged but would look at this in the future. I then replied that they therefore effectively had reserved all of the prime holiday dates off for the year without having any plans for any of these dates and found this extremely selfish.

    I subsequently complained to my line managers boss about this behaviour and the fact that they had condoned it but they did not offer any support to resolve this situation. I was looking for thoughts please, I have no issue with the company holiday policy but the distinction between booking a holiday and block reserving all of the years prime holiday dates.
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    • prowla
    • By prowla 13th Jan 18, 12:20 PM
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    I would've thought that, expecially over the Easter period, it would've been good management to suggest that one person should be allowed one week and another the other.

    As far as the other days go, I think around bank holidays are the worst times to have off.

    The other times to avoid are the school holidays.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 13th Jan 18, 12:36 PM
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    I’ve been thinking about this thread & whilst it may be a case of you snooze you lose (& yes the OP may have to suck it up) it shows a distinct lack of curtesy & manners to book every BH weekend.
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    • stuartJo1989
    • By stuartJo1989 14th Jan 18, 10:06 PM
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    I’ve been thinking about this thread & whilst it may be a case of you snooze you lose (& yes the OP may have to suck it up) it shows a distinct lack of curtesy & manners to book every BH weekend.
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    I think it is very subjective...

    Take me, for example. Would I be bothered if someone block booked every BH weekend? Not a chance in hell! I would welcome it, because I don't have children and I find that doing anything on them (going out etc) is always met with higher prices + more people.

    So I don't see it as discourteous and lacking manners!*

    *Though, the act of NOT sitting down and negotiating the holidays may well be. Or Christmas, I'd be on board with you RE: those days being block booked!
    • SandC
    • By SandC 15th Jan 18, 12:58 PM
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    I understand where OP is coming from, as I presume he also gets the same holiday entitlement of 28 days with 8 of those having to be the official bank holidays. If someone takes a week off for Easter, May Day, Spring Bank Holiday and August bank holiday then they will have used only 16 leave days and will be out of the office for 4 whole weeks (and another day for Good Friday). As the company rule is no 2 managers can take leave at the same time then he has no choice but to use up 20 days for 4 weeks leave. The colleague has 4 days available to use as flexi or whatever.

    It makes no difference whether someone is planning go away or not, it's still valuable time.

    I would say though that it would have been better to have a word with your colleague rather than go above her head as it does come across rather petty. The world of work is not fair, sometimes you just have to suck it up and hope that you get the benefits next time, in whatever form they may be.
    • Tygermoth
    • By Tygermoth 15th Jan 18, 2:08 PM
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    So, I could be that co-worker. As soon as the spread sheet for leave opens I'm in there as we have the stat minimum leave (though joy of joy they have announced a leave purchase scheme)


    This being said there is only two of us and the other person books the flip side of the same holiday - that we both maximise the same leave days. (we both don't work W/ends or Bhols)




    WE/ WE/ Me off / Me off /Me off/ Me off / BH/ WE / WE / BH / Other off/ Other off /Other off /Other off /WE /WE


    Its called co-operating - not that hard between two people - If you get along.


    This being said - If one has to cover the other across those days and its first come first served - then sucks to be you if you are not first.
    Last edited by Tygermoth; 15-01-2018 at 2:17 PM.
    Please note I have a cognitive disability - as such my wording can be a bit off, muddled, misspelt or in some cases i can miss out some words totally...
    • inglorius
    • By inglorius 15th Jan 18, 5:28 PM
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    [QUOTE=SandC;73719150]I understand where OP is coming from, as I presume he also gets the same holiday entitlement of 28 days with 8 of those having to be the official bank holidays. If someone takes a week off for Easter, May Day, Spring Bank Holiday and August bank holiday then they will have used only 16 leave days and will be out of the office for 4 whole weeks (and another day for Good Friday). As the company rule is no 2 managers can take leave at the same time then he has no choice but to use up 20 days for 4 weeks leave. The colleague has 4 days available to use as flexi or whatever.

    It makes no difference whether someone is planning go away or not, it's still valuable time. /QUOTE]

    Exactly my point, thank you for taking the time of reading and understanding my post
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 15th Jan 18, 7:41 PM
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    [QUOTE=inglorius;73720813]
    I understand where OP is coming from, as I presume he also gets the same holiday entitlement of 28 days with 8 of those having to be the official bank holidays. If someone takes a week off for Easter, May Day, Spring Bank Holiday and August bank holiday then they will have used only 16 leave days and will be out of the office for 4 whole weeks (and another day for Good Friday). As the company rule is no 2 managers can take leave at the same time then he has no choice but to use up 20 days for 4 weeks leave. The colleague has 4 days available to use as flexi or whatever.

    It makes no difference whether someone is planning go away or not, it's still valuable time. /QUOTE]



    Exactly my point, thank you for taking the time of reading and understanding my post
    Originally posted by SandC
    I think most of us get your point and a number have sympathised with you/felt the other person was more than a bit heavy handed.

    Where there is disagreement, though, is in the way you handled it.

    And we still don’t know what your employer’s leave policy is.
    Last edited by NeilCr; 15-01-2018 at 10:11 PM.
    • MatthewGaskin
    • By MatthewGaskin 17th Jan 18, 9:16 AM
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    Christmas Eve
    We have the same problem here about maintaining sufficient cover, and lots of us have kids so there's a high demand for key school holiday dates.
    We do talk about it within the office so it's fair but, sometimes, you want a particular day....

    In 2018, Christmas Eve falls on a Monday. So I have already booked that day off so that I don't have to go in for one awkward day before the rest of the Christmas break.

    If you want to do something similar, you could book at least that one day off before your colleague does. :-)
    • peachyprice
    • By peachyprice 17th Jan 18, 9:32 AM
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    I worked on my own before they started. I spoke to one of my colleagues in another department whom has the same holiday rules, they said that if their colleague had reserved all of the best holiday dates for themselves at the quickest opportunity without consulting them then they would be livid.
    Originally posted by inglorius
    'Best' holiday dates are subjective and are different for everyone. I wouldn't consider bank holiday weekends prime at all, they're usually a nightmare because all and sundry are on the move, it's more expensive and everywhere is super-busy. I'd avoid them like the plague and let the colleague get on with it.

    I could understand being miffed if your colleague had booked all school holidays off if you both had school-age children, but that doesn't seem the case.
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    • andydownes123
    • By andydownes123 17th Jan 18, 9:57 AM
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    I worked at a place whereby everyone had a round of holiday booking max one week per person, then when everyone had booked their week there was another 'round'. After that (most holidays were catered for then), it was pick and choose. Meant that nearly everyone got a 'prized' week. Mums went for Xmas straight away, but then missed out on prized summer weeks in some cases. Those without children went for early July or Sept. anyway because it was cheaper so it didn't really effect anyone.
    • Technosaurus
    • By Technosaurus 17th Jan 18, 9:59 AM
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    Sounds like it's first come, first served, in which case there's an element of "hard cheese".

    However you can fight fire with fire and block book all of 2019's bank holidays now and see how she likes them apples. She'll soon realise it's ludicrous and that talking to one another first rather than going tit for tat on the first come first served lark.

    I was a manager of a small team and holidays were what caused the most arguments, even though there was a very clear holiday policy. Turns out one of the team had told the newer members that the person who had been there the longest got "first dibs" and the newest member of the team was holding off on booking Christmas/New Year holidays until the more longstanding member of staff had decided what they were doing (it was mid November by this point). I told them this was utter nonsense and it's first-come-first-served, but we would work out a compromise if everyone wanted the same days. The longstanding member of staff moaned that this was unfair but it laid a marker down that they couldn't expect everyone to hold off arranging their own lives while she sorted out hers.
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