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    • cloud_dog
    • By cloud_dog 10th Jan 18, 12:31 AM
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    Finally moving the SIPP
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    • 10th Jan 18, 12:31 AM
    Finally moving the SIPP 10th Jan 18 at 12:31 AM
    Ok, so after a lot of research and way too much procrastinating, I have finally decided on the course of action for the OH SIPP, currently with HL and invested in OIECs.

    I had tried long and hard to convince myself to transfer it to X-O (Jarvis) SIPP but, even though I have my ISA with them I couldn't quite convince myself to move it there (even though I would have saved having to pay any SIPP annual charges).

    I have probably mentioned on other threads that I was looking to go down the route of non-OIEC investments.

    I have opened a SIPP with AJ Bell/YouInvest. They will also reimburse any transfer costs (up to £500), which is nice and takes that as a consideration out of the equation.

    As touched on above currently the money is invested in OIECs but it will be re-invested in ITs. My dilemma is trying to work out whether to sell all the OIECs and transfer as cash or transfer as OIECs and sell/re-buy in ITs as appropriate.

    If I transfer as cash then I would imagine the transfer time will be significantly quicker than as OIECs; Youinvest indicate approximately 2 weeks to transfer cash. But, I would be out of the market. If I transfer as OIECs then I remain 'in the market' but this (apparently) can take up to 2 months (6 to 8 weeks).

    Am hedging towards selling and transferring as cash.

    Anyone else done a HL to YouInvest SIPP transfer recently, any comments on time scales etc?
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    • where are we
    • By where are we 11th Jan 18, 8:21 PM
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    Complex Instruments Appropriateness Test
    Interesting. How are other broking platforms managing this requirement then? As one assumes there's some regulatory checking/verification required.

    P.S. In my years of dealing with x-o / Jarvis. Never had an issue speaking to somebody promptly. Likewise unlike larger organisations service is both professional and efficient.
    Originally posted by Thrugelmir
    I have already commented on this in another thread. Go on x-o website - important information - Complex Instruments Appropriateness Test - click link at bottom of page - 13 questions to answer + highest level of education + occupation - seems over the top to me!
    • cloud_dog
    • By cloud_dog 11th Jan 18, 9:12 PM
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    Interesting. How are other broking platforms managing this requirement then? As one assumes there's some regulatory checking/verification required.
    Originally posted by Thrugelmir
    From what I have seen/heard others have requested you confirm (webpage etc) that you have read / understand etc. I have previously completed an electronic form from X-O around this (back end of 2017). I suppose it is possible(??) that they are administering this confirmation on to each account manually?

    P.S. In my years of dealing with x-o / Jarvis. Never had an issue speaking to somebody promptly. Likewise unlike larger organisations service is both professional and efficient.
    Originally posted by Thrugelmir
    They have never created any problems for myself, think I may have only ever rung them up once. The main issue with this is that the account I was considering moving to them is the OH and if I have to get her to contact them as we make investments that is not going to be workable.
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    • StellaN
    • By StellaN 16th Jan 18, 2:44 PM
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    Another vote for Fidelity with IT's only in a SIPP. They have increased the number of IT's they offer now and I've been told it's a matter of months before they offer a much wider choice to select from. Therefore, the £45 per annum cap with no drawdown or transfer out charges is excellent.
    Last edited by StellaN; 16-01-2018 at 2:46 PM.
    • cloud_dog
    • By cloud_dog 16th Jan 18, 6:03 PM
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    Mmmm.

    Frustratingly, I am re-evaluating Fidelity.

    As mentioned previously they will re-reimburse transfer costs (up to £500) so, if I choose to open a SIPP with Fidelity, I could transfer out of both HL and YouInvest and recover any transfer costs.
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    • redux
    • By redux 16th Jan 18, 11:09 PM
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    Another vote for Fidelity with IT's only in a SIPP. They have increased the number of IT's they offer now and I've been told it's a matter of months before they offer a much wider choice to select from. Therefore, the £45 per annum cap with no drawdown or transfer out charges is excellent.
    Originally posted by StellaN
    It will be a larger list, but not absolutely all.

    I'm looking at various trusts I might be interested in to see which FTSE index list they appear on. I suppose a few can be separately outside, but on the other hand I want to put as much as possible in the SIPP for a while.

    Slight ambiguity on dealing charges, whether it continues as 0.1% or becomes £10 for one-off buy and £1.50 dividend reinvest or monthly savings, like the ISA and ordinary accounts. Anybody know?

    For me, one current scheme has its annual charge at start of March, so I save that if I leave beforehand (I hope to persuade them to waive it if there is a slight overshoot on transfer time). And one is charged monthly, so sooner the better.

    Thus the timing of Fidelity's range extension launch soon could lead me to either transfer in and partly sit in cash for a while until they cover some trusts I already hold now, or I could go to Youinvest on the basis of either range or cheaper this year by switching a bit sooner

    If Fidelity change the dealing fees to match their other products, there is only £55 a year between this and Youinvest anyway.
    Last edited by redux; 16-01-2018 at 11:27 PM.
    • cloud_dog
    • By cloud_dog 17th Jan 18, 10:18 AM
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    I'm looking at various trusts I might be interested in to see which FTSE index list they appear on.
    Originally posted by redux
    I would be interested in what you find out. Having said that I have reviewed the trusts available for the areas/sectors I will / am likely to invest in and they pretty much cover/provide the trusts.

    Slight ambiguity on dealing charges, whether it continues as 0.1% or becomes £10 for one-off buy and £1.50 dividend reinvest or monthly savings, like the ISA and ordinary accounts. Anybody know?
    Originally posted by redux
    As with a number of platforms they tend to have different pricing structures for OIECs as opposed to ITs/ETFs/(and stocks if available). Fidelity make no charge for fund investing/switching (from what I can see) but, they charge £10 for IT/ETF buy/sell and £1.50 for regular investment.

    For me, one current scheme has its annual charge at start of March, so I save that if I leave beforehand (I hope to persuade them to waive it if there is a slight overshoot on transfer time). And one is charged monthly, so sooner the better.
    Originally posted by redux
    Fidelity appear to charge on a monthly basis ((value at end of month * rate)/12), deducted on 15th of each month. Using the fixed £45pa, I think (although a little unsure) this would be deducted as £3.75pm.

    If Fidelity change the dealing fees to match their other products, there is only £55 a year between this and Youinvest anyway.
    Originally posted by redux
    To be honest, EdSwippet's post regarding how AJ Bell/YouInvest changed their charging structure, without providing the flexibility for investors to leave without penalty or with a reduced penalty did strike a bit of a 'chord'. It has made me re-think if this is the company I want to continue doing business with. From a finance / investment options / website they are fine and I have no issue.
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    • cloud_dog
    • By cloud_dog 18th Jan 18, 11:23 AM
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    Interesting response from HL
    I made an enquiry with HL wrt transferring the SIPP in cash (timeliness etc) and they have come back and have indicated that they would be unable to transfer the SIPP until all outstanding tax relief has been claimed (from HMRC).

    This relates to the fact that we had a monthly investment scheme running and the last tax claim date for 2017/2018 is 21 March 2018 (as listed by HL).

    I am a little confused by this as:
    1. I have cancelled the monthly investing from within HL
    2. I have cancelled the DD from our bank to HL
    3. We only have one outstanding tax relief to be paid (21 Jan).

    I don't know if this is a standard letter or if someone at their end has got it wrong or if HL are, in a round about way, informing me that by running the monthly investment option the we (OH) has committed to a whole FY worth of contributions.

    It really doesn't make sense or stack up to what I believe the reality is so, I am probably going to wait for the payment on 21 Jan and instruct HL to transfer as cash (yes, I understand about being out of the market).

    EDIT: They also mention 'on receipt of the fees' they will action the transfer. I had assumed this would be taken out of the SIPP pot, do I assume this is not the case and we will need to pay the fees separately?
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    • redux
    • By redux 18th Jan 18, 2:14 PM
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    Presumably there can be a trail of dividends as well as the tax relief reclaim

    Some schemes might have a fee to remit this onwards slightly later than the rest.

    Might be worth checking a couple of ex-dividend dates, but if the processing time can be a bit indeterminate it might be tricky to choose the best timing.
    • cloud_dog
    • By cloud_dog 18th Jan 18, 2:51 PM
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    All funds are ACC funds.
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    • StellaN
    • By StellaN 18th Jan 18, 4:27 PM
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    I made an enquiry with HL wrt transferring the SIPP in cash (timeliness etc) and they have come back and have indicated that they would be unable to transfer the SIPP until all outstanding tax relief has been claimed (from HMRC).

    This relates to the fact that we had a monthly investment scheme running and the last tax claim date for 2017/2018 is 21 March 2018 (as listed by HL).
    I am a little confused by this as:
    1. I have cancelled the monthly investing from within HL
    2. I have cancelled the DD from our bank to HL
    3. We only have one outstanding tax relief to be paid (21 Jan).

    I don't know if this is a standard letter or if someone at their end has got it wrong or if HL are, in a round about way, informing me that by running the monthly investment option the we (OH) has committed to a whole FY worth of contributions.

    It really doesn't make sense or stack up to what I believe the reality is so, I am probably going to wait for the payment on 21 Jan and instruct HL to transfer as cash (yes, I understand about being out of the market).

    EDIT: They also mention 'on receipt of the fees' they will action the transfer. I had assumed this would be taken out of the SIPP pot, do I assume this is not the case and we will need to pay the fees separately?
    Originally posted by cloud_dog
    Which platform did you finally decide to transfer your wife's SIPP to AJ Bell or Fidelity??
    • redux
    • By redux 18th Jan 18, 5:05 PM
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    Can anyone please point me towards Youinvest's list of investment trusts available, both at all and for monthly savings?
    • noh
    • By noh 18th Jan 18, 7:03 PM
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    Can anyone please point me towards Youinvest's list of investment trusts available, both at all and for monthly savings?
    Originally posted by redux
    Those eligible for regular investment can be found here
    https://www.youinvest.co.uk/our-services/qualifying-regular-investments

    Full list here
    https://www.youinvest.co.uk/research-tools/quickrank/it
    • cloud_dog
    • By cloud_dog 18th Jan 18, 10:05 PM
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    Which platform did you finally decide to transfer your wife's SIPP to AJ Bell or Fidelity??
    Originally posted by StellaN
    Interesting that you should ask... I've just opened up a Fidelity one (this evening)

    What was a little annoying though was that I had a real struggle opening the SIPP and almost walked away. The OH had a old S&S ISA with Fidelity 2003 through 2007, transferred and closed but when I tried to register they recognised the NI number and wouldn't let me open the account via a new registration as they expected me to log in and open it as an existing customer. Only problem...No idea of account details or online user IDs/passwords. Then I remembered a tatty old statement from Fidelity (for said ISA account) that I kept coming across in that 'pile of stuff that I should do something with', and it had the CRM. From that I was able to re-activate and reset the password, and by a stroke of luck I was able to work out what the PIN was (3 items required to login), and hey presto.

    So, I'm going to advise HL to transfer to Fidelity after 21 January and will initiate the transfer from the YouInvest SIPP.

    Then, I am hoping I am done. And, hope Fidelity won't go looking for a big spanner to throw in to the works.

    Thanks for everyone's comments, it has been (as usual) quite interesting and informative.
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    • cloud_dog
    • By cloud_dog 18th Jan 18, 10:11 PM
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    Next thing I need to do is to work out how much, based on the OH salary, we can contribute in to the SIPP.

    The OH works as a part-time teaching assistant, with a salary of roughly £7.5k, is in the LGPS paying 5.5% of salary (I believe).

    With the LGPS being a DB scheme do I need to calculate the increase in the pension benefit, and deduct that from the salary to get the number or is there another calculation?
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    • AlanP
    • By AlanP 19th Jan 18, 12:15 PM
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    Next thing I need to do is to work out how much, based on the OH salary, we can contribute in to the SIPP.

    The OH works as a part-time teaching assistant, with a salary of roughly £7.5k, is in the LGPS paying 5.5% of salary (I believe).

    With the LGPS being a DB scheme do I need to calculate the increase in the pension benefit, and deduct that from the salary to get the number or is there another calculation?
    Originally posted by cloud_dog
    Increase in pension benefits is relevant for comparing to Annual Allowance. Her contribution in £s is relevant for the Earned Income limit.

    In this case the latter is applicable by the sounds of it (Salary - LGPS contribution).
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