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    • MSE Sarah
    • By MSE Sarah 9th Jan 18, 5:33 PM
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    Money Moral Dilemma: Should I return a lost £65 jumper and keep the cash?
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    • 9th Jan 18, 5:33 PM
    Money Moral Dilemma: Should I return a lost £65 jumper and keep the cash? 9th Jan 18 at 5:33 PM
    This week's MoneySaver who wants advice asks...

    Just before Christmas, I found a John Lewis bag in the pub where I work, with a £65 jumper and a cash receipt inside. It's been three weeks now, and no one has made any enquiries. Would it be wrong to return it to John Lewis and keep the cash?

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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 10th Jan 18, 12:37 PM
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    moneyistooshorttomention
    Leave the tags on it and wear it whilst serving.

    When a customer says "I lost one just like it", then you've found the owner.

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    Originally posted by bylromarha
    Wear it whilst serving and it's one quick way to have the jumper completely ruined. If I were the customer concerned I'd have a good inkling of several possible places I had mislaid my jumper - and, if I spotted someone behind the bar of a pub wearing it they'd have to bin it. Reason being - I'd buy a glass of red wine and a cup of coffee and "accidentally" spill both of them over the person concerned. I'd still not have my jumper back - but they wouldnt have it either after I'd ruined it
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    • Mr Mann
    • By Mr Mann 10th Jan 18, 12:51 PM
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    Yes you could return it, but if someone comes looking for it later you should give them the cash. If after 6 moths no one has claimed it you could give the money to charity.
    • anita116
    • By anita116 10th Jan 18, 1:11 PM
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    That would be theft
    No way should it be kept - it's illegal and immoral. You should take it to the police. Somebody somewhere has lost what is there's. How would you feel if that person was you???? I've returned stuff this way several times. If no-one claims it then you are allowed to keep it with a clear conscious and within the law.
    • Taplledraw
    • By Taplledraw 10th Jan 18, 1:42 PM
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    Most pubs will have a lost property book for everyone to look in if someone rings up/pops in to see where it is, the police can be informed but will not want to store it I suspect. There should be a box for lost property after 6 months if not claimed somewhere I know either gave it to a charity shop or sold it on ebay if worth it and gave the money to a charity. Members of staff took turns in suggesting a charity so different ones won.
    • ska lover
    • By ska lover 10th Jan 18, 2:44 PM
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    I saw an article recently on a guy who went to a cash machine, and the previous 'user' had left some cash in - the chap took the cash


    Next thing the police are splashing this guys photo all over facebook as he has commited 'Theft' - I was pretty shocked, this could ruin a persons reputation, lose them their job etc, all started off because of some idiots stupidity of leaving cash in the cash machine.


    And if you were pretty skint, kids to feed, the week before Xmas, who would look a gift horse in the mouth? The alleged 'theft' had happened two days before the police decided to post the photo, maybe the guy had not had time to do anything about it or maybe he kept it, its hardly crime of the century


    I mean some people are just basically idiots, who uses a cash machine and wanders off without the bloody money - its like setting someone up
    The opposite of what you know...is also true
    • gertie
    • By gertie 10th Jan 18, 4:27 PM
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    Found jumper
    I believe that if you hand in lost goods to the Police station if it is unclaimed within a certain period the goods become your property. That way it would be yours worry free
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 10th Jan 18, 6:52 PM
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    I saw an article recently on a guy who went to a cash machine, and the previous 'user' had left some cash in - the chap took the cash


    Next thing the police are splashing this guys photo all over facebook as he has commited 'Theft' - I was pretty shocked, this could ruin a persons reputation, lose them their job etc, all started off because of some idiots stupidity of leaving cash in the cash machine.


    And if you were pretty skint, kids to feed, the week before Xmas, who would look a gift horse in the mouth? The alleged 'theft' had happened two days before the police decided to post the photo, maybe the guy had not had time to do anything about it or maybe he kept it, its hardly crime of the century


    I mean some people are just basically idiots, who uses a cash machine and wanders off without the bloody money - its like setting someone up
    Originally posted by ska lover
    Well I guess that's one excuse for blaming the poor victim I suppose

    What excuse would you find if you murdered someone then? - in order to make out it was their fault that you chose to do so?

    If the thief's reputation was "ruined" = good!!!! Serve them right for being a thief and trying to make excuses to themselves as to why it would be okay to thieve (apparently..).
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    • meknowalot-51
    • By meknowalot-51 10th Jan 18, 8:53 PM
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    Police........
    Take it to the police station and tell them you've put a sign up in the pub.You say you work in a pub,so what has the boss said you should do?I'm assuming you've told all the people you work with just in case someone comes in asking about it?
    • Philjam2
    • By Philjam2 10th Jan 18, 9:02 PM
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    First time forumite...joined so I could post a reply about this particular subject.

    I lost an item of sentimental value few weeks before Christmas and was disappointed to find out that whoever had 'picked it up' in the store had kept it. Wasn't handed in to customer services etc..I rang police enquiry line 101 and was told to log it on the lost/found property page. I found out that by law you are legally responsible to try all reasonable efforts to locate any lost item with its original owner.
    It takes five minutes to type in the details and maybe the person looking for it will see it on the police site.
    It's possible they haven't realised they left it in the pub or I'm sure they'd have returned to enquire about it themselves. The whole point of lost property is that it's lost and you have no idea where it could be.

    If it's not claimed via the correct channels then it's possible you then have a legal right to keep it as you've done what's necessary to return it.

    Hope this helps
    • bargainbin
    • By bargainbin 10th Jan 18, 9:19 PM
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    Found Jumper
    Absolutely not.
    Many years ago my Mother In Law had bought a dress for our daughter from Marks and Spencer. She put the bag down to look at another item and forgot about it. She remembered a few minutes later but it was gone. Presumably someone had either kept the dress or returned it for the cash.
    If possible it should be kept with the lost property in the pub. If this is not possible then take a photo of the item to keep in the pub and take the item to t he police. If it's not claimed within a certain time then the jumper belongs to the finder. They could then donate toe jumper to a charity or return to the shop and give the cash to a charity. There are plenty of worthy causes out there.
    • 2ndwind
    • By 2ndwind 10th Jan 18, 10:00 PM
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    Most 7 year olds understand 'right from wrong', aged 10 we are all (with certain exceptions which I doubt apply to you) assumed to understand 'right from wrong' and able to make such moral decisions without too much difficulty.
    If you were to return the lost jumper to JL and keep the cash, I believe you would be committing a fraudulant act. To argue to the contrary is merely self-delusion.
    If you return the jumper and receipt to JL, they would doubtless be able to trace the purchaser and reunite them with their property.
    If you would like thanks from the purchaser, you could leave your name and contact details with JL to pass to the purchaser? You have 12 days left (35 less 21) to behave responsibly.
    • Owain Moneysaver
    • By Owain Moneysaver 10th Jan 18, 10:27 PM
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    If any person in the company I'm employed by found lost property and then decided to take said article from the building would quite rightly be instantly dismissed .
    Originally posted by July15moomin
    Likewise. Except food (we didn't have much fridge space) which if not claimed by the end of shift was eaten by staff.

    And that case of beer that we found was too heavy to carry to the loft property office ...
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    • MalF
    • By MalF 10th Jan 18, 10:36 PM
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    Well I guess that's one excuse for blaming the poor victim I suppose

    What excuse would you find if you murdered someone then? - in order to make out it was their fault that you chose to do so?

    If the thief's reputation was "ruined" = good!!!! Serve them right for being a thief and trying to make excuses to themselves as to why it would be okay to thieve (apparently..).
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    So, let me get this straight. You know what most people would do if they found (say) £50 in a cash machine because you are so quick to judge this individual with no further information. You would not do this, of course, as you have such sympathy for the "victim" who lost it.

    However, in that situation, wouldn't you rather the rightful owner got their hands on the money, rather than the next scrote along the road? That would require taking the money from the cash machine and making efforts to find that rightful owner. It would be a time-sensitive thing, as the next person could come and take it moments after you left the machine (having not collected your own cash, as the other person's cash is still in the slot).

    So, you pick up the money and take it into the bank. But what if it's after hours? You pick up the money and take it to the police station, maybe? But what if your local cop shop closes early (blame the Tories). You have to take it home for safe keeping until your busy schedule allows you to do the "victim" a favour by taking time out of your day to try to get the money back to him/her.

    Meanwhile, your picture is splashed across the front page of a local paper as a thief, even though there is no proof of intent to permanently deprive anyone of any money. Is that not a little unfair?

    Only last month, I found a sum of money in a supermarket car park at the height of Xmas shopping. I picked it up (THIEF!!!!!) as I knew that it could well end up going into someone's arm if I'd left it there, and the owner would really be missing that sum at that time of year.

    I took it home (THIEF!!!! Quick, call the Daily Mail!) and the very next day, I walked a mile and a half to the local police station to hand the cash in. They refused to take it, but took a note of the amount and requested me to keep hold of it for 28 days and, if left unclaimed, to do what I want with it. It was never claimed.

    I assume if you'd been in that car park, you would have judged me a thief for trying to do a stranger a favour.

    Many people have good intentions and busy lives. That does not make them thieves.
    Last edited by MalF; 10-01-2018 at 10:43 PM.
    • Owain Moneysaver
    • By Owain Moneysaver 10th Jan 18, 10:41 PM
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    So, you pick up the money and take it into the bank. But what if it's after hours? You pick up the money and take it to the police station, maybe? But what if your local cop shop closes early
    Originally posted by MalF
    Banks have 24 hour call centres.

    The police have 24 hour call centres.

    Even emailing the police saying you had got the money and would hand it in to them or the bank when possible would protect you against an allegation of theft.
    A kind word lasts a minute, a skelped erse is sair for a day.
    • MalF
    • By MalF 10th Jan 18, 10:46 PM
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    Banks have 24 hour call centres.

    The police have 24 hour call centres.

    Even emailing the police saying you had got the money and would hand it in to them or the bank when possible would protect you against an allegation of theft.
    Originally posted by Owain Moneysaver
    You appear to have missed the point quite spectacularly.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 10th Jan 18, 11:15 PM
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    I saw an article recently on a guy who went to a cash machine, and the previous 'user' had left some cash in - the chap took the cash
    Originally posted by ska lover
    Those machines swallow the cash back pretty quickly, if he was there in time to take it he was there in time to shout to the person who left it, or catch up to them and give them their money back.

    If by some bizarre circumstances he couldn't do that, he could have just let the machine take the money back in, instead he stole it.

    No sympathy.
    • wondermouse
    • By wondermouse 10th Jan 18, 11:57 PM
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    "If you return the jumper and receipt to JL, they would doubtless be able to trace the purchaser and reunite them with their property."

    Paid for with CASH in a busy store? I think you'll find although good, JL staff can't do fortune telling or perform miracles. Even if by some heavy persuasion you were able to get someone to look back at the relevant CCTV footage, all you would have is a picture of an unnamed and unidentified jumper buyer.

    I know that they can do this on US crime dramas, but in real life, not so much.
    • gaving7095
    • By gaving7095 11th Jan 18, 7:41 AM
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    Wow an actual moral dilemma for once - sort of xD
    Refunding and keeping the money would be morally wrong IMO, but I believe once 3 months have passed it becomes "yours", if you (still) want it, so at that point feel free, although I expect too much time would have passed for a refund to still be available :-/
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 11th Jan 18, 10:39 AM
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    Wow an actual moral dilemma for once - sort of xD
    Refunding and keeping the money would be morally wrong IMO, but I believe once 3 months have passed it becomes "yours", if you (still) want it, so at that point feel free, although I expect too much time would have passed for a refund to still be available :-/
    Originally posted by gaving7095
    Ah but, it was found in the pub where they worked. Which of the pub's staff does it belong to? Should they share the jumper? Why should one of them get to decide for all?
    • Ianf
    • By Ianf 11th Jan 18, 12:10 PM
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    Lost jumper
    The best thing to do is take it to the police lost property office. If it is unclaimed after three months it becomes your property, so you can do what you wish with it then. A friend of mine is a taxi driver and a bag with a lot of cash was left in his taxi and he claimed it after three months. You can be accused of 'theft by finding' otherwise.
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