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    • SamsReturn
    • By SamsReturn 9th Jan 18, 3:42 PM
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    What's wrong with the Daily Mail ?
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    • 9th Jan 18, 3:42 PM
    What's wrong with the Daily Mail ? 9th Jan 18 at 3:42 PM
    After Hillsborough there was a big campaign in this part of the world to get the Sun removed from the news stands, and left in toilets were it belongs. Even after all these years, thousands wouldn't have a copy in the house.
    Now Richard Branson is doing the same. He doesn't want the Daily Mail on his trains.
    Virgin Trains has announced that it is going to stop selling the Daily Mail newspaper on its West Coast trains.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42621425
    Was it something they said ?
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    • colinw
    • By colinw 9th Jan 18, 6:27 PM
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    The government should claw the bail out back.

    See Branson can get a bail out for one of his companies on a government contract whilst his other companies are making profits.
    Originally posted by DeputyDawgg
    Blame this useless inept immoral Government not Branson, they could not negotiate their way out of a paper bag.
    • DeputyDawgg
    • By DeputyDawgg 9th Jan 18, 6:32 PM
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    It also says this ......
    "There's been considerable concern raised by colleagues about the Mail's editorial position on issues such as immigration, LGBT rights and unemployment.
    "We've decided that this paper is not compatible with the VT brand and our beliefs.
    Originally posted by SamsReturn
    Which is why VM should not be given government franchises, it's job is to
    run trains, not push political opinions.

    All VM train contracts should be ended, they have already had one bail out.
    Last edited by DeputyDawgg; 09-01-2018 at 7:00 PM.
    • DeputyDawgg
    • By DeputyDawgg 9th Jan 18, 6:34 PM
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    Blame this useless inept immoral Government not Branson, they could not negotiate their way out of a paper bag.
    Originally posted by colinw
    Yea I am sure Branson was able to persuade May and her cronies with "hospitality" and stuff.


    He is not a fit person for such stuff.
    • colinw
    • By colinw 9th Jan 18, 6:36 PM
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    I would not allow the DM for use as Bog paper, looks like BA is going to stop offering it free, I think it’s vile right wing political agenda and anti immigration views offend most decent people
    • DeputyDawgg
    • By DeputyDawgg 9th Jan 18, 6:58 PM
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    I would not allow the DM for use as Bog paper, looks like BA is going to stop offering it free, I think it’s vile right wing political agenda and anti immigration views offend most decent people
    Originally posted by colinw
    In which case the solution is to not buy it, things printed in the Guardian may offend some people too, do we ban that as well?

    You are free to comment on the Daily Mail so you can express your disgust there, and they will print it, try expressing your disgust about a Guardian article
    and you won't last long, it certainly will not be printed.

    Part of the franchise conditions should be they offer a choice of newspapers across the political spectrum.

    The DM is one of the biggest selling news papers. Indeed it is the biggest, followed by the Sun. Hence most people chose them, decent or not.

    Yes I find some of their articles offensive but at least they let me express that in the comments.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 9th Jan 18, 7:01 PM
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    ... I think itís vile right wing political agenda and anti immigration views offend most decent people
    Originally posted by colinw
    As their circulation is about 10 times that of the Guardian, I rather doubt that.
    • DeputyDawgg
    • By DeputyDawgg 9th Jan 18, 7:07 PM
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    A spokesperson said: “It is disgraceful that, at a time of massive customer dissatisfaction over ever-increasing rail fares, and after the taxpayer was forced to bail out Virgin’s East Coast mainline franchise – a decision strongly criticised by the Mail – that Virgin Trains should now announce that for political reasons it is censoring the choice of newspapers it offers to passengers.”

    “For the record, Virgin used to sell only 70 Daily Mails a day. They informed us last November that to save space, they were restricting sales to just three newspapers: the Mirror, FT and Times. They gave no other reason, but it may be no coincidence that all those titles, like Virgin owner Sir Richard Branson, are pro-remain.”


    However I guess given you can buy what you like at the stations it does not matter too much.

    And you can no doubt read the DM via wifi anyway?
    • DeputyDawgg
    • By DeputyDawgg 9th Jan 18, 7:12 PM
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    Newspaper sale, obviously being hit by online papers.
    • colinw
    • By colinw 9th Jan 18, 7:32 PM
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    In which case the solution is to not buy it, things printed in the Guardian may offend some people too, do we ban that as well?

    You are free to comment on the Daily Mail so you can express your disgust there, and they will print it, try expressing your disgust about a Guardian article
    and you won't last long, it certainly will not be printed.

    Part of the franchise conditions should be they offer a choice of newspapers across the political spectrum.

    The DM is one of the biggest selling news papers. Indeed it is the biggest, followed by the Sun. Hence most people chose them, decent or not.

    Yes I find some of their articles offensive but at least they let me express that in the comments.
    Originally posted by DeputyDawgg
    As their circulation is about 10 times that of the Guardian, I rather doubt that.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    They do a lot of tacky tawdry celeb stories that other decent titles would not touch which acts as click bait, they also tend to have employed people who will generate controversy online such as that Hopkins woman and Piers Morgan
    • Stuffed Turkey
    • By Stuffed Turkey 10th Jan 18, 10:18 AM
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    There's nothing right with it!
    • bap98189
    • By bap98189 10th Jan 18, 10:40 AM
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    They should not have been bailed out they too the risk they MUST take the loss because you can be dammed sure they will be taking the PROFITS.
    Originally posted by DeputyDawgg
    All very well in principle, but if Virgin East Coast Ltd. had gone bankrupt there would be no trains running. This is why any service that is so important it cannot be permitted to fail should never be privatised.
    • fairy lights
    • By fairy lights 10th Jan 18, 10:40 AM
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    Nothing wrong with it at all! It has a similar absorbency to all the other papers and the cats enjoy reading stories about Abby Clancy flaunting her post-baby body while they sit on their trays.
    • SamsReturn
    • By SamsReturn 10th Jan 18, 4:28 PM
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    Virgin Trains' decision to stop selling the Daily Mail on its West Coast services has been described as "absurd" and "pompous" by Boris Johnson.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42638648
    Labour said it would not restrict sales of the paper, if it succeeded in renationalising the railways.
    • Stuffed Turkey
    • By Stuffed Turkey 10th Jan 18, 4:51 PM
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    They are consistent in slagging everyone and everything off.

    Very tiresome after a while!
    • BleepinHell
    • By BleepinHell 10th Jan 18, 10:53 PM
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    It supported the Nazi party during the Second World War. Since then it has continued to lean to the right.
    Originally posted by fewgroats
    Note exactly correct.
    some favourable reporting prior to hostilities.
    But then some members of the royal family and the establishment
    liked Hitlers mix of Nationalism and Socialism.
    It all stopped when we declared war on Germany
    The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mystical. It is the power of all true art and science.
    He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead.
    ]
    Albert Einstein
    • uberalles
    • By uberalles 11th Jan 18, 7:07 AM
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    They are consistent in slagging everyone and everything off.

    Very tiresome after a while!
    Originally posted by Stuffed Turkey
    Have you met Andromedean and Alan Cunningham then?
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 11th Jan 18, 10:52 AM
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    All very well in principle, but if Virgin East Coast Ltd. had gone bankrupt there would be no trains running. This is why any service that is so important it cannot be permitted to fail should never be privatised.
    Originally posted by bap98189
    Not at all. If Virgin Trains went bankrupt, then the public sector could simply step in and take over the operation of the trains. The trains are not owned by Virgin. The track is not owned by Virgin. And when rail franchises change hands, the staff are TUPE transferred to the new operator.

    National Express ran into difficulties when they operated the ECML. They forfeited the franchise in 2009, and it was operated very successfully by the public sector until 2015.

    The transition from National Express to a Dept of Transport holding company was seamless.

    Unfortunately, the DoT holding company has now been replaced by a private sector consortium as operator of last resort. But the safety net remains in place. If the dreadful Virgin Group was to go bust, the trains would still run.
    Last edited by Nick_C; 11-01-2018 at 10:59 AM.
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