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    • xred5x
    • By xred5x 9th Jan 18, 10:45 AM
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    xred5x
    Company takeover - personal details
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    • 9th Jan 18, 10:45 AM
    Company takeover - personal details 9th Jan 18 at 10:45 AM
    The company I work for was bought over in the middle of 2017. To date all I have received is an email to inform me of the takeover and a 5 minute meeting to let me know that there will be no changes to my contract.

    Yesterday I received a ‘New Employee Form’ from the parent company. While I do understand that they might want more details on file they do ask for a lot of details. I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me to why these details below are being asked for and if they are allowed to ask for them.

    Passport No.
    NHS No.
    Personal Email address.
    Last time I consulted my Doctor & reason?
    Do I drink alcohol & how many units do I consume a week?
    How many days have I been absent in the last 12 months?

    I don’t know if my role in this new company will change but they are expecting me to sign this form. I feel very uneasy about doing this and believe the new company are being vague about details.
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    • crackerberry
    • By crackerberry 11th Jan 18, 5:18 PM
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    crackerberry
    Originally posted by usefulmale
    Wen you apply for a job in the civil service they require photo ID, either in the form of a valid passport or if no passport then a birth certificate with a photo driving licence. If no driving licence either then you hve to provide a passport sized recent photo which has to be signed on the back by someone who knows you.
    If you can't provide these prior to interview you don't get interviewed.


    Verification of Identity


    This document needs to be used in conjunction with the Civil Service Resourcing – Flowchart of identity verification route in order to ascertain the section applicable to you.


    SECTION A
    To allow CS Resourcing to conduct pre-employment checks you must produce the following documentation at your interview;

    1 x document from Group 1
    1 x document from Group 2
    – documents marked with an * must be dated within the last 3 months. Selected document must contain current address.
    1 x additional document from Group 1, 2 or 3 –
    Full and short birth certificates are not permitted to be used in conjunction.

    Candidates applying for a Home Office post must produce a valid current passport.


    Photographic ID
    If you are unable to provide one piece of photographic ID from the groups below then you will need to provide a passport sized photograph of yourself. This will need to be endorsed on the back with the signature of a person of some standing in your community (e.g. a JP, medical practitioner, officer of the armed forces, teacher, lecturer, lawyer, bank manager, civil servant, etc).

    The passport photograph will need to be accompanied by a signed statement, completed by the same person, stating the period of time that the individual has known you (this must be a minimum 3 years). The statement must also contain the name, address and contact number of the individual who has endorsed the photo and completed the statement.

    Only original documents will be accepted, photocopies will not be accepted.


    GROUP 1
    GROUP 2
    GROUP 3
    (A) Current British Passport
    (D) * Bank, building society or credit card statement.
    UK, Channel Islands or EEA only.
    (J) Current photo card driving licence.
    Full or provisional.
    UK, Isle of Man, Channel Islands and EU only.
    (B) Full UK Birth or Adoption Certificate
    The certificate must include the name(s) of at least one of your parents or adoptive parents.

    (E) * Original utility bill
    Gas, Water, Electric, Insurance or Internet issued within the last 3 months. UK only.
    Mobile phone bills are not acceptable.

    (K) Current driving licence (old paper version).
    UK, Isle of Man, Channel Islands and EU only.
    (C) Certificates of Registration or Naturalisation as a British Citizen
    (F) Original letter confirming National Insurance Number issued by Government Department
    P45, P60 (must be dated within the last 12 months)
    UK only.
    (L) Marriage certificate
    UK and Channel Islands only.

    (G) * Current evidence of entitlement to DWP benefits (e.g. Universal Credit)
    UK only.
    (M) Civil Partnership certificate
    UK and Channel Islands only.

    (H) * Council Tax statement UK only.
    (N) HM Forces identity card
    UK only.
    (I) Mortgage Statement
    UK or EEA only
    (O) Short UK Birth Certificate
    Last edited by crackerberry; 11-01-2018 at 5:28 PM.
    • usefulmale
    • By usefulmale 11th Jan 18, 5:48 PM
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    usefulmale
    Wen you apply for a job in the civil service they require photo ID, either in the form of a valid passport or if no passport then a birth certificate with a photo driving licence. If no driving licence either then you hve to provide a passport sized recent photo which has to be signed on the back by someone who knows you.
    If you can't provide these prior to interview you don't get interviewed.


    Verification of Identity


    This document needs to be used in conjunction with the Civil Service Resourcing – Flowchart of identity verification route in order to ascertain the section applicable to you.


    SECTION ATo allow CS Resourcing to conduct pre-employment checks you must produce the following documentation at your interview;

    1 x document from Group 1
    1 x document from Group 2
    – documents marked with an * must be dated within the last 3 months. Selected document must contain current address.
    1 x additional document from Group 1, 2 or 3 –
    Full and short birth certificates are not permitted to be used in conjunction.

    Candidates applying for a Home Office post must produce a valid current passport.


    Photographic ID
    If you are unable to provide one piece of photographic ID from the groups below then you will need to provide a passport sized photograph of yourself. This will need to be endorsed on the back with the signature of a person of some standing in your community (e.g. a JP, medical practitioner, officer of the armed forces, teacher, lecturer, lawyer, bank manager, civil servant, etc).

    The passport photograph will need to be accompanied by a signed statement, completed by the same person, stating the period of time that the individual has known you (this must be a minimum 3 years). The statement must also contain the name, address and contact number of the individual who has endorsed the photo and completed the statement.

    Only original documents will be accepted, photocopies will not be accepted.


    GROUP 1
    GROUP 2
    GROUP 3
    (A) Current British Passport
    (D) * Bank, building society or credit card statement.
    UK, Channel Islands or EEA only.
    (J) Current photo card driving licence.
    Full or provisional.
    UK, Isle of Man, Channel Islands and EU only.
    (B) Full UK Birth or Adoption Certificate
    The certificate must include the name(s) of at least one of your parents or adoptive parents.

    (E) * Original utility bill
    Gas, Water, Electric, Insurance or Internet issued within the last 3 months. UK only.
    Mobile phone bills are not acceptable.

    (K) Current driving licence (old paper version).
    UK, Isle of Man, Channel Islands and EU only.
    (C) Certificates of Registration or Naturalisation as a British Citizen
    (F) Original letter confirming National Insurance Number issued by Government Department
    P45, P60 (must be dated within the last 12 months)
    UK only.
    (L) Marriage certificate
    UK and Channel Islands only.

    (G) * Current evidence of entitlement to DWP benefits (e.g. Universal Credit)
    UK only.
    (M) Civil Partnership certificate
    UK and Channel Islands only.

    (H) * Council Tax statement UK only.
    (N) HM Forces identity card
    UK only.
    (I) Mortgage Statement
    UK or EEA only
    (O) Short UK Birth Certificate
    Originally posted by crackerberry
    All that is just the Civil Service being awkward and imposing it's own conditions.

    Photo ID for checking right to work in the UK is not a requirement.
    Originally Posted by MSE Forum Team
    We’ve had to remove your signature because what you wrote was true and sensible and there's no room for that here.
    • Xbigman
    • By Xbigman 12th Jan 18, 7:21 AM
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    Xbigman
    I'm interested in the more general aspects of what an employer is entitled to ask.

    In the last year my employer has asked people to declare if they have an interest in any of their competitors. What if I work for Tescbury and I have some Sainsco shares in an ISA? Is it my employers business who I invest in?

    Just after that we were signed up for a company healthcare scheme (you get money towards glasses and stuff) which was pretty basic. A questionaire went around asking for financial details, who has a mortgage, a car loan, etc. The people who were running the healthcare scheme were coming in to discuss employee's financial health and the company were organising one on one meetings with the reps. Well the meetings were just sales sessions to sell enhanced healthcare and all the financial info collected vanished into the ether. The management did push quite hard to get these financial questionaires filled out without actually making them compulsary but I always wondered if they could have demanded the answers?

    Any thoughts anyone?





    Darren

    PS My right to work docs were my birth certificate. No photo ID required.
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    • steampowered
    • By steampowered 12th Jan 18, 12:09 PM
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    steampowered
    All that is just the Civil Service being awkward and imposing it's own conditions.

    Photo ID for checking right to work in the UK is not a requirement.
    Originally posted by usefulmale
    The right to work checklist on gov.uk asks employers to check "Are photographs consistent across documents and with the
    person’s appearance?"

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/378926/employers_right_to_work_checklist_november_2014.pd f
    • usefulmale
    • By usefulmale 12th Jan 18, 3:10 PM
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    usefulmale
    The right to work checklist on gov.uk asks employers to check "Are photographs consistent across documents and with the
    person’s appearance?"

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/378926/employers_right_to_work_checklist_november_2014.pd f
    Originally posted by steampowered
    That link gives me a 'Page not found' error. I suggest that it is out-of-date. My link is dated from May 2015.

    However, it is a reasonable question to ask if someone DOES submit a document with a photo on it.

    It does not mean that ONLY documents with photos will be accepted.
    Last edited by usefulmale; 12-01-2018 at 3:13 PM.
    Originally Posted by MSE Forum Team
    We’ve had to remove your signature because what you wrote was true and sensible and there's no room for that here.
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