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    • tigerlilyb84
    • By tigerlilyb84 7th Jan 18, 4:52 PM
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    How do I know if ANPR was used?
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    • 7th Jan 18, 4:52 PM
    How do I know if ANPR was used? 7th Jan 18 at 4:52 PM
    Hi all,

    I recently received a Parking Charge Notice from National Parking Management through the post. I was not issued with a ticket on my vehicle so I assume that they used ANPR but is there any way of finding out for sure? I am asking because they are an IPC member and there was no signage indicating use of ANPR therefore if they did use ANPR they are in breach of the IPC Code of Practice.

    The area I parked was a very small stretch of road which is apparently private but surrounded by public highway, in fact half of the road in question is public. There was some signage around but it just stated 'private land' so I did not realise the road itself was included!

    I don't intend on paying but I am going to appeal to just trying to be as informed as possible before I send a letter.

    Any advice much appreciated!
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    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 7th Jan 18, 5:01 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 5:01 PM
    The IPC code of conduct is a joke , the PPC pay the IPC so that they can get info from the DVLA , unless a IPC member was to be caught streaking thu harrods GLADSTONES will not care

    this mob use a bloke on a pushbike with a kodak

    all perfectly legal according to the IPC
    • tigerlilyb84
    • By tigerlilyb84 7th Jan 18, 5:06 PM
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    Hmm ok well that answers that one! Another thing, as part of the terms and conditions of parking it states you must have a permit, however the same signs are on a shop building around the corner that has bays, yet the shop does not issue permits and it appears that NPM do not enforce parking fines for patrons?

    Grounds for appeal based on inconsistent enforcement of their regulation/impossible to actually obtain a permit?

    Further, they actually sent the letter to the wrong house - I think this may be due to a DVLA error but again grounds for appeal?
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 7th Jan 18, 5:14 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 5:14 PM
    the shop may not have hired them , permits from landowner
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 7th Jan 18, 5:15 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 5:15 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 5:15 PM
    any mistake with your address and the DVLA is down to you , they can only go from the info recieved
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 7th Jan 18, 5:23 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 5:23 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 5:23 PM
    No PG, it could very well be their error, especially if the information they received was correct.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 7th Jan 18, 6:07 PM
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    ......
    Further, they actually sent the letter to the wrong house - I think this may be due to a DVLA error but again grounds for appeal?
    Originally posted by tigerlilyb84
    Forget finding grounds for appeal!


    Read up on the game you are caught up in by spending some time on the Newbies faq thread near the top of the forum


    You will see the futility of appealing to IPC companies, and a template letter to send just to show a judge (should it come to a hearing) that you didn't simply ignore them
    • tigerlilyb84
    • By tigerlilyb84 7th Jan 18, 6:39 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 6:39 PM
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    Thanks all.

    I'm super confused though and more worried really about the company taking it further? Does that template letter usually do the trick? I can't afford to risk being taken to court but purely on the principle of the situation I do not want to pay up.

    Having read the legislation it seems like the keeper is liable if the driver is not identified?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 7th Jan 18, 6:43 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 6:43 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 6:43 PM
    And now look at the link on Pappa Golf's post on your other thread*.

    See if you can work out how likely court action is.





    *see the futility of multiple threads about one incident yet?
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    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 7th Jan 18, 6:45 PM
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    Having read the legislation it seems like the keeper is liable if the driver is not identified?
    Originally posted by tigerlilyb84
    Then you need to read 'the legislation' again.

    Though it might be easier reading post #1 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread.
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 7th Jan 18, 7:05 PM
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    Thanks all.

    I'm super confused though and more worried really about the company taking it further? Does that template letter usually do the trick? I can't afford to risk being taken to court but purely on the principle of the situation I do not want to pay up.

    Having read the legislation it seems like the keeper is liable if the driver is not identified?
    Originally posted by tigerlilyb84
    Have you read the thread you were pointed to in #7?


    Because if you have you have missed the futility of the appeal - discussed there as well as #7.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 7th Jan 18, 9:12 PM
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    Does that template letter usually do the trick?
    No, it almost never ‘does the trick’. It does however show you have engaged in their process as a first move to try to find some way through this.

    I can't afford to risk being taken to court
    Why?

    There is no easy way out of this (unless you can get a landowner cancellation - have you tried?). You either do the work to understand how to deal with it, or you ignore anything further - head in the sand and hope it goes away (not recommended, because it won’t go away) or you pay it. These are your stark choices.

    Let us know how you intend to proceed.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 7th Jan 18, 11:45 PM
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    Does that template letter usually do the trick?
    Nope, and it's not designed to!

    I can't afford to risk being taken to court but purely on the principle of the situation I do not want to pay up.
    Yes, you can, especially with a firm that won't (which you know, from the other thread that needs merging into ONE).
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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