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    • Tinaarena31
    • By Tinaarena31 6th Jan 18, 6:07 PM
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    96 year old gran and benefit advice ...can you advise?
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    • 6th Jan 18, 6:07 PM
    96 year old gran and benefit advice ...can you advise? 6th Jan 18 at 6:07 PM
    My gran is 96 with dementia.
    I've been her appointee with DWP for around 9 years now as she has dementia.
    On Boxing Day she had a fall and since then she has been scared to go to bed incase she falls out.
    She's sleeping on a sofa that is too small for her in living room.
    I applied tonight online for a budget loan on her behalf so I can buy her a bed with rails up for living room.
    After submitting form I've seen if your the appointee you have to complete paper form not online.
    Now I'm worried her budget loan will be declined because of me not reading things properly.
    I won't be able to afford the single bed for her without it.
    Do you think if I ring Monday and explain and request the paper forms it should be ok?
    I'm worried as I couldn't afford her a new bed without it and she only gets pension and no savings etc .
    I can't do nothing right lately!
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    • BorisThomson
    • By BorisThomson 6th Jan 18, 7:37 PM
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    For the bed issue would a bedrail work?

    https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/baby/safety/safety-barriers/safety-1st-portable-bedrail-blue/p/149262

    I know they are intended for children but may be a cheaper option than a new bed.
    Originally posted by somethingcorporate
    They're not designed for adult use. I'd be extremely concerned at the possibility of what would happen if too much weight was applied to one. There are adult ones available, but OP would need to assess what might work with the existing bed.

    Tina, has your gran not been checked over since her fall? If she's refusing or unable to walk then she needs to see a doctor, she could have broken her hip or pelvis.
    • PINEAPPLE1234
    • By PINEAPPLE1234 6th Jan 18, 7:37 PM
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    Please take elsien advice. The emphasis now is to try and keep people in there own homes with support. You both sound like you need help and help is available but you need to ask.
    • BorisThomson
    • By BorisThomson 6th Jan 18, 7:41 PM
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    I would love 4 visits a day,that would take the pressure off.
    I think I've just got into my head social services are just going to ship everyone of a certain age into a care home but I guess if there's family willing to help they will help us keep her at home.
    Originally posted by Tinaarena31
    They'll offer whatever is cheapest for them, that's all they can do with such restricted budgets.

    Does she have any assets? Her care will be means assessed. That doesn't need to be a bad thing, it means she will have greater options in what care is available to her.
    • Tinaarena31
    • By Tinaarena31 6th Jan 18, 7:53 PM
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    We took her straight to A&E on Boxing Day and thankfully only scratches and stitches needed.
    She had a nasty cut above her eye brow but is healing nicely now and her black eye has gone.
    I think the not being able to walk is mostly due to fear.
    She has Lewy body dementia and that also affects her balance /posture too.
    She has no assets and lives in a council property.
    That's why I was applying for the social fund budget loan to help as we don't have any savings or anything.
    • Ms Chocaholic
    • By Ms Chocaholic 6th Jan 18, 7:57 PM
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    Have you looked on Ebay for a bed? If you message me with whereabouts you live I can help search Ebay for you if you're not used to doing it.

    You can also get those mechanical beds on Ebay that move the bed into a sitting up position that may be useful too. They also have bed rails.
    Thrifty Till 50 Then Spend Till The End

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    • Ms Chocaholic
    • By Ms Chocaholic 6th Jan 18, 7:59 PM
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    I also just saw these on Ebay

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Drive-Medical-Side-Bed-Wedges/173017133163?hash=item28489ff06b:m:m2BLlJGuhd9xUXO CgCAW06w
    Thrifty Till 50 Then Spend Till The End

    You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time
    • Tinaarena31
    • By Tinaarena31 6th Jan 18, 8:08 PM
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    Thankyou so much for that,I didn't even think of eBay.
    We are from the north east of England
    Sunderland /Newcastle/Gateshead area.
    Il have a look through now.
    • elsien
    • By elsien 6th Jan 18, 8:13 PM
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    Have you looked on Ebay for a bed? If you message me with whereabouts you live I can help search Ebay for you if you're not used to doing it.

    You can also get those mechanical beds on Ebay that move the bed into a sitting up position that may be useful too. They also have bed rails.
    Originally posted by Ms Chocaholic
    I'm going to repeat, please don't do anything without proper assessments. It's potentially unsafe and there may be other ways to help gran feel safe at night without restricting her independence and mobility. And which pose less of a risk if she gets confused and tries to climb out - they really aren't suitable for everyone.
    Last edited by elsien; 06-01-2018 at 8:16 PM.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • Ms Chocaholic
    • By Ms Chocaholic 6th Jan 18, 8:17 PM
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    I'm going to repeat, please don't do anything without proper assessments. It's potentially unsafe and there may be other ways to help gran feel safe at night without restricting her independence and mobility. And which pose less of a risk if she gets confused and tries to climb out.
    Originally posted by elsien

    I understand what you're saying but when my FIL was unwell they just bought a hospital-type bed with sides that clipped up to keep him safe in bed. He was a cantakerous old man though and refused to have the sides clipped up so fell out anyway.

    I know after my FIL died they struggled to get rid of the bed so that's why I suggested Ebay.

    I guess you'll wait weeks for an assessment from Social Care.
    Thrifty Till 50 Then Spend Till The End

    You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time
    • Caroline_a
    • By Caroline_a 6th Jan 18, 8:20 PM
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    When my dad got a bit wobbly on his feet the council assessed what he needed. He was on no benefits at all but it was a service that was offered anyway. They provided a rail for the bed that went between the mattress and the base, a chair for the bathroom so that he could sit while he got washed, a stool for the shower and a walker. This cost him nothing.

    Do not spend your own money, contact the council who will help with this sort of thing.
    • elsien
    • By elsien 6th Jan 18, 8:23 PM
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    I understand what you're saying but when my FIL was unwell they just bought a hospital-type bed with sides that clipped up to keep him safe in bed. He was a cantakerous old man though and refused to have the sides clipped up so fell out anyway.

    I know after my FIL died they struggled to get rid of the bed so that's why I suggested Ebay.

    I guess you'll wait weeks for an assessment from Social Care.
    Originally posted by Ms Chocaholic
    From the MHRA guidance:

    Bed rails are used extensively in care environments to prevent bed
    occupants falling out of bed and injuring themselves. However, there have been serious incidents reported to MHRA. The majority of these involved third party bed rails (see section 2.1 below) used on domestic, divan and metal framed beds that have led to injury and death by asphyxiation after entrapment of the head or neck.
    Most incidents occurred in community care environments, particularly in residential and nursing homes. These could have been prevented if adequate risk assessments and appropriate risk been carried out.

    Not a chance I'd be wanting to take with my nearest and dearest. People can also have a worse fall if they try to climb over a bed rail, whether integrated to the bed or not. Which is why it's important to make sure that whatever you get is suitable to the person you're buying it for taking everything into account. Falls risk, dementia, level of confusion, mobility, level of restraint, the works. Not just something that's cheap on ebay.

    And in case anyone wonders why I'm banging on about it, I knew a disabled child who died as a result of incorrectly fitted bed rails. It's not just an academic point.
    Last edited by elsien; 06-01-2018 at 8:41 PM.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 6th Jan 18, 8:57 PM
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    I would second elsien's advice.
    Please get a proper assessment for your gran, not something off ebay which may cause her injury (especially if DIY fitted).

    Have you looked at the links I provided @ post 2?

    Here is some more info from Sunderland Council:
    https://www.sunderland.gov.uk/assessmyneeds

    Your gran's council have a statutory duty to:
    "to look after your wellbeing -
    Maintaining your personal dignity (including treating you with respect)
    Looking after your physical and mental health, as well as your emotional wellbeing
    Supporting you to take control over your own day-to-day life (including care and support and the way it is provided)
    Making sure your living accommodation is suitable for you and your needs"

    As her carer you should be supported as well.

    Your local -
    Carers UK - https://www.carersuk.org/
    and Age UK - https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/care/

    May be able to guide you.
    Last edited by Alice Holt; 06-01-2018 at 9:03 PM.
    • Tinaarena31
    • By Tinaarena31 6th Jan 18, 9:02 PM
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    Thankyou for that,I'm going to look at the Sunderland council website now
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 7th Jan 18, 12:34 AM
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    How about putting one side of the bed along a wall and placing a rolled up duvet on the floor at the other side? My son did this for the high beds in their caravan, when my grandchildren were tiny.
    • Becles
    • By Becles 7th Jan 18, 8:47 AM
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    I would love 4 visits a day,that would take the pressure off.
    I think I've just got into my head social services are just going to ship everyone of a certain age into a care home but I guess if there's family willing to help they will help us keep her at home.
    Originally posted by Tinaarena31
    Don't be scared of social services. They're not evil people who steal old people away!

    Obviously they have a duty of care if the situation is too dangerous at home, but if the old person and family really want them to stay at home, they will do everything they can to make that happen.

    My Dad is severely disabled following a stroke. He's been assessed but he's still living at home as that's where he wants to be.

    Have a look at this website as well:
    http://www.sunderlandcarers.co.uk/
    They are staffed by wonderful people who are extremely helpful. There is a lot of support out there for your Gran and also for yourself. They will sort out all sorts of things like making sure you're getting the right benefits, helping to get any equipment you need and providing social support. My parents go to carer social groups which are a good way of finding support from others in the same situation as you, and they've had some fun trips out as well.

    There are charities who will be able to offer further help and advice as well. https://www.ageuk.org.uk/ and https://www.dementiauk.org are two that we used when my Gran was suffering with dementia.

    Best of luck with everything xx
    Here I go again on my own....
    • parkrunner
    • By parkrunner 7th Jan 18, 1:32 PM
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    She gets attendance allowance,pension credit and state pension
    Originally posted by Tinaarena31
    Not wishing to sound harsh but my late mum received those three and it came to over £200 a week and her rent was paid in full by HB. Can't she afford a suitable bed herself? Or just get a rail for the existing bed?

    https://www.completecareshop.co.uk/beds-and-bedding/bed-rails-and-cot-sides/safety-bed-rail-view-large?gclid=Cj0KCQiAp8fSBRCUARIsABPL6Jb0I7DtKTvG9W urGcw22MnYOVHgYfIL1n1ip4pQ05kovxuCV2xGI-AaAgKNEALw_wcB
    • Tinaarena31
    • By Tinaarena31 7th Jan 18, 4:44 PM
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    If we could afford it I wouldn't have applied.
    It's a lot to pay in one go.
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