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    • MW1974
    • By MW1974 5th Jan 18, 12:33 PM
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    Paying Fines
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    • 5th Jan 18, 12:33 PM
    Paying Fines 5th Jan 18 at 12:33 PM
    Hi, just looking for some guidance re paying a fine.

    The driver has received a ticket on their windscreen with a PCN from UKPC for £60 if paid within 14 days or £100 within 28 days. All standard stuff.

    Having read through numerous threads an appeal seems pointless in this particular instance so they're going to make payment. When the 'notice to keeper' arrives are you given 14 days / £60 option again or does it only apply to the windscreen ticket? The 14 day for the windscreen PCN expires in a few days so they don't want to miss out if it's only offered once. If it's also offered on the NTK then they're happy to wait and drag it out a bit.

    Also, are these firms payments systems secure? Or should you always send a cheque rather than pay online.

    Thanks in advance.
    Last edited by MW1974; 07-01-2018 at 10:53 AM. Reason: edit
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    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 5th Jan 18, 12:52 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 12:52 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 12:52 PM
    Don't think you will get much help in best way to pay PCS charges on this forum.
    • claxtome
    • By claxtome 5th Jan 18, 12:53 PM
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    • #3
    • 5th Jan 18, 12:53 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 12:53 PM
    Your reduced rate of £60 will run out after 14 days and won't be repeated again.

    Are you sure you don't want to fight?
    This forum would always say it is always worth fighting?
    99% of forum cases going to court are won.
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 5th Jan 18, 1:28 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 1:28 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 1:28 PM
    It is not a fine.

    I'm not sure why you think it is not worth appealing. Nobody here will give you advice about paying scammers that were caught doctoring time stamps on their photo' "evidence."

    The keeper should appeal the PCN before day 26 as advised in the NEWBIES thread as the scammers may then forget to send the NTK.
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    • MW1974
    • By MW1974 5th Jan 18, 1:48 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 1:48 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 1:48 PM
    Most recent threads don't seem to suggest an appeal is worthwhile because it will get rejected. But you think it's worth appealing anyway as it might get lost in the malaise? The driver was parked in an outlet village and the ticket was for 'leaving the site', the driver doesn't have any clear evidence to suggest otherwise but I guess, neither does the PPC to suggest thet they HAD left the site. the ticket states the attendant had 'reasonable cause'.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 5th Jan 18, 1:52 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 1:52 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 1:52 PM
    Everyone is politely asked not to start a thread until they have read up on this in the newbies faq thread near the top of the forum


    Go there now to get an understanding of this game.


    There is a good reason to appeal - which is to get a POPLA code.


    Instead of being defeatist please get stuck in to that thread!
    Last edited by Quentin; 05-01-2018 at 11:37 PM.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 5th Jan 18, 2:00 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 2:00 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 2:00 PM
    Most recent threads don't seem to suggest an appeal is worthwhile because it will get rejected. But you think it's worth appealing anyway as it might get lost in the malaise? The driver was parked in an outlet village and the ticket was for 'leaving the site', the driver doesn't have any clear evidence to suggest otherwise but I guess, neither does the PPC to suggest thet they HAD left the site. the ticket states the attendant had 'reasonable cause'.
    Originally posted by MW1974
    It is for the PPC to prove the alleged transgression, not for the vehicle's keeper to prove the driver stayed on site.

    Was the driver, and other occupants of the car, followed around the site until they left?

    This is an easy one to win.
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    • MW1974
    • By MW1974 5th Jan 18, 2:07 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 2:07 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 2:07 PM
    Sorry for sounding thick but where is this 'newbies' thread? I've read lots of others that make mention of it but not this one.
    • claxtome
    • By claxtome 5th Jan 18, 2:10 PM
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    • 5th Jan 18, 2:10 PM
    Purple starred thread above your in the list of threads... (It is stuck to the top hence the word sticky)
    • Richard E C
    • By Richard E C 5th Jan 18, 3:19 PM
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    "The driver was parked in an outlet village and the ticket was for 'leaving the site'"

    My car was ticketed for the same reason today. I do have from the driver of my car a receipt for a 2018 year planner brought before they noticed the ticket but an hour after it was issued. As suggested by a thread linked by the noobs thread I just read I will be going to the shop tomorrow and throwing my toys out of the pram. Apparently they can get it cancelled. If they don't I will be posting on their face book page. From what I understand the golden rule is don't say who was driving. I have seen pictures taken by the driver of my car and although the signs are big and well placed the clause that the ticket was issued under is in small writing and can NOT be read from the car. Seems you have to stand under it, the sign is said to be 8 ft of the ground. I will see tomorrow.

    This is the lower car park of the Newport cinema isle of wight.
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 5th Jan 18, 3:28 PM
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    "The driver was parked in an outlet village and the ticket was for 'leaving the site'"

    My car was ticketed for the same reason today. I do have from the driver of my car a receipt for a 2018 year planner brought before they noticed the ticket but an hour after it was issued. As suggested by a thread linked by the noobs thread I just read I will be going to the shop tomorrow and throwing my toys out of the pram. Apparently they can get it cancelled. If they don't I will be posting on their face book page. From what I understand the golden rule is don't say who was driving. I have seen pictures taken by the driver of my car and although the signs are big and well placed the clause that the ticket was issued under is in small writing and can NOT be read from the car. Seems you have to stand under it, the sign is said to be 8 ft of the ground. I will see tomorrow.

    This is the lower car park of the Newport cinema isle of wight.
    Originally posted by Richard E C
    You need to read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES then start your own thread if you need further help.

    Use the grey Forum Jump "GO" button in the top or bottom right of this page to find the NEWBIES.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 6th Jan 18, 1:00 AM
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    Anyone who would pay a 'left the site' PCN has been mugged! We have never lost one like this at POPLA.

    Not only that, any UKPC windscreen PCNs are a cinch to win anyway by appealing as keeper on day 26 (not sooner, nono, forget the 14 days crap).

    All explained in the NEWBIES thread at the top of this forum sub-board (see my signature for where to click). 2 clicks away, and you have the appeal words ready for day 26. Easy as taking candy from a baby.

    Never seen anyone so oddly keen to throw in the very soft towel and PAY such an easy one to appeal as keeper!
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • The Slithy Tove
    • By The Slithy Tove 6th Jan 18, 8:50 AM
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    Most recent threads don't seem to suggest an appeal is worthwhile because it will get rejected.
    Originally posted by MW1974
    Incorrect. Most threads do say that an appeal will get rejected, but they do not say that it is not worthwhile. Appealing is important because
    • It opens the gateway for a POPLA appeal (worthwhile) or an IPC appeal (not worthwhile)
    • It demonstrates that you have engaged with the PPC to settle the case, which is important should it reach court
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 6th Jan 18, 5:00 PM
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    You need to read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES then start your own thread if you need further help.

    Use the grey Forum Jump "GO" button in the top or bottom right of this page to find the NEWBIES.
    Originally posted by Fruitcake
    I don't think Richard E C was asking for help, simply giving advice to OP and saying what he was going to do.
    • MW1974
    • By MW1974 7th Jan 18, 10:52 AM
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    It's not about throwing in the towel, like most people who receive a PCN it all seems such a minefield. On reflection the driver will take the instructions given on here and on the newbie thread and make an appeal at or around day 26 and see what transpires. They're slightly concerned because they were merely browsing and didn't keep receipts for any purchases. But they're also considering complaining to the retail outlet.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 7th Jan 18, 10:58 AM
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    Don't "consider" complaining. That should be number 1

    If successful, it's by far the easiest way to kill this off
    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 7th Jan 18, 11:50 AM
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    "They're slightly concerned because they were merely browsing and didn't keep receipts for any purchases. But they're also considering complaining to the retail outlet."

    am sure that when you go back to complain that you will point out how expensive the item(s) where .... that you are/ where planning on spending

    Ralph
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 7th Jan 18, 11:59 AM
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    Its important that a complaint is made to the retail park owner, its also highly recommended that you post the complaint on here first
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • MW1974
    • By MW1974 8th Jan 18, 9:42 AM
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    If the driver complains to the retail outlet, do they pass on their details if asked? What if the retail outlet shares them with the PPC?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 8th Jan 18, 9:52 AM
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    If the driver complains to the retail outlet, do they pass on their details if asked? What if the retail outlet shares them with the PPC?
    Originally posted by MW1974
    The driver doesn't complain - the keeper does the complaining!
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