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    • lessonlearned
    • By lessonlearned 1st Jan 18, 11:51 AM
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    Frump to Fab 2018 - Fabulous Dahhhhlings
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    • 1st Jan 18, 11:51 AM
    Frump to Fab 2018 - Fabulous Dahhhhlings 1st Jan 18 at 11:51 AM
    Good Morning my Lovelies.

    And welcome to the new bright and shiny Frump to Fab Thread.

    First of all a very big hello and welcome to everyone, newbies, lurkers and returners....and those undecided.

    Second let me wish you all “Happy New Year”.

    Let’s rock this one!!!!

    Well now where do we start this year. We have quite a history here now don’t we. I was thinking this morning about how the thread has developed so for the newbies......a brief potted history.

    A few years ago my son took a photo of me. I was horrified. I burst into tears. I could hardly believe my eyes at the image before me. But.......as we know the camera doesn’t lie and I couldn’t argue with what That image revealed.

    I went upstairs and stood in front of a full mirror and allowed the awful truth to sink in........never mind frump, I looked like a bag lady.

    In my defence.......it was not down to laziness, far from it. I was caring for my semi Paralysed terminally ill husband. My days were full on with caring duties. I scarcely had a spare minute, it was all I could do to shower and brush my teeth sometimes.

    All very noble of course but I had completely neglected myself in the process. I had forgotten the simple golden rule........we cannot care for others if we don’t care for ourselves. We cannot give love, if we don’t treat ourselves with love.

    How many women forget this simple fact. In our busy lives as mothers, daughters, sisters how often to we put ourselves last on that never ending “to do list”.

    As I stood and looked in that mirror I realised the folly of my ways and I resolved to “do something”. I wasn’t sure what exactly but I knew I had to make a start somewhere.

    So I started the first Frump to Fab Thread and, as they say, the rest is history. What started as a simple diary to help me make the necessary changes to get me out of “Frumpdom” has become a wonderful friendship group of likeminded women.

    Yes some of us are of a certain age but not all. Frumpdom is not the preserve of the middle aged woman who has “let herself go”. Becoming a frump can happen to anyone, young women, even teenagers.

    But here’s the good news .......it’s never too late to reverse the process, never too late to ditch the frump, never too late for the caterpillar to turn into a beautiful butterfly or for the ugly duckling to turn into a graceful and elegant swan.

    There are no rules to this thread except one.

    Kindness please........we don’t judge anyone here, we don’t get into futile pointless arguments, we don’t make nasty comments, we don’t indulge in sarcasm, we don’t bully others, we don’t play mind games and we don’t try to score points by making others feel small.

    So all that being said .....if you are ready to change your stars and become that alluring goddess you always longed to be, if you want to reclaim the energy and vitality that was once yours but has somehow disappeared then this is place for you.

    Let’s all get fabulous.

    Lesson no 1.

    Wear perfume, every day. Don’t save it for best. Get out all those unused smellies lurking in the back of the bathroom cabinet or bedside drawer and start using them.

    Smell divine......and fabulousity will follow. That’s a promise.

    A women who smells gorgeous is gorgeous. It’s the first step on your journey.

    Right I’m off to bathe in a sea of perfumed bubbles but first ..........
    Last edited by lessonlearned; 01-01-2018 at 12:06 PM.
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    • maman
    • By maman 7th Jan 18, 5:11 PM
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    Good to see you posting ellsbel. I, too, like your phrase for 2018. If there's one thing that fabbing can do it's boost our confidence. If we don't like ourselves then we can't expect a good reception from others.


    Hope all the renovations are straightforward indie. I agree about space and the uncluttered look. I couldn't do minimalist but I am slowly cutting back on 'stuff'.


    Good luck with the online dating. I think you've got the right approach. You'll have a good time meeting new people but you aren't desperate to find someone if it's not quite right.


    I've had a field day people watching today. It's been a beautifully sunny day here and DH and I went out for a while as he wanted to take some photos. One location was a hotel (formerly a historic house) and there was a large group assembling for Sunday lunch. I think it was some sort of society having a late Christmas do. Well!! I've never seen so many frumps since my last visit to M&S Classic department!OK so they were fairly elderly but, however old I get, I'm NEVER going to adopt a uniform of sparkly tops and crimplene trousers. A few had dresses on, all very similar in patterned fabric and wrap around, but they were spoiled by the occupants being overweight.


    I'm going to have to think carefully about a dress for my party. I think I might venture into the city this week and browse a bit but I'll probably have to wait until the sales are over to find what I want.


    Have a good week all.
    • indiepanda
    • By indiepanda 7th Jan 18, 5:50 PM
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    Hope all the renovations are straightforward indie. I agree about space and the uncluttered look. I couldn't do minimalist but I am slowly cutting back on 'stuff'.

    Good luck with the online dating. I think you've got the right approach. You'll have a good time meeting new people but you aren't desperate to find someone if it's not quite right.


    I've had a field day people watching today. It's been a beautifully sunny day here and DH and I went out for a while as he wanted to take some photos. One location was a hotel (formerly a historic house) and there was a large group assembling for Sunday lunch. I think it was some sort of society having a late Christmas do. Well!! I've never seen so many frumps since my last visit to M&S Classic department!OK so they were fairly elderly but, however old I get, I'm NEVER going to adopt a uniform of sparkly tops and crimplene trousers. A few had dresses on, all very similar in patterned fabric and wrap around, but they were spoiled by the occupants being overweight.

    I'm going to have to think carefully about a dress for my party. I think I might venture into the city this week and browse a bit but I'll probably have to wait until the sales are over to find what I want.
    Originally posted by maman
    Am crossing my fingers with the renovations - at least I've used some of the tradesmen before and know they are good and have got solid recommendations for the others.

    Actually doing renovations / decorating is a good reminder of why being single has it's advantages - it's enough effort picking out colours etc. when I just have to keep me happy!

    I think there's a lot to be said for dating when the diary is quite busy. Stops one having too much time to obsess too much over one guy or let loneliness get you into a less than ideal relationship.

    I have a horrible feeling I might have just donated to the charity shop some Debenhams tops that might fall into the category of the kind of thing your frumpy ladies were wearing . I did feel they were a bit old for me looking at them again... at the time I bought I was larger and had less choice available.... that's my defense and I am sticking to it. At least they were worn with jeans not crimplene trousers though.

    There seems to be a lot of sale stuff left at the moment, guess the new season stuff won't be in quite yet. I had a quick look in Oasis and Warehouse before going to the Panto last night (that was hilarious by the way) but nothing grabbed me in the sales. Going to hold off on anything new till I need the next size down.
    Last edited by indiepanda; 07-01-2018 at 5:52 PM.
    • dandy-candy
    • By dandy-candy 7th Jan 18, 7:00 PM
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    Hi, may i join this thread?

    I have never been the most groomed person but when i was younger I was slim and pretty and could get away with it. After hitting my mid 30s i gained weight and just let everything slide - make up, dying my roots, buying new clothes etc. I am now heavier that I was at full term in any of my pregnancies and I have got to the stage where i look in the mirror and have no idea who this woman is!

    I want 2018 to be the year the really me returns with improvements! Being older (I will turn 45 this year) means i must make more effort that I did when I was young. I can't think what my word/phrase should be for the year, but im hoping by the end of the year I will be able to look in the mirror and say "Still got it"

    Yesterday I started with the perfume as I too have bottle i save for best which is a joke as i never actually go anywhere fancy (i doubt Tesco counts), and I filed and painted my nails for the first time in at least 6 months.

    Today I watched a tutorial on doing hair like Diana Dors when she was young (I love vintage) and I also bought some 50s style clothes in a sale, so I have the start of a new wardrobe

    Goals for the year:

    Get hair cut regularly (currently 2x a year)
    Iron my clothes
    Buy new clothes from shops, not charity shops
    Lose weight and get toned!!
    Put on make up
    Do my nails
    Keep shaving my legs (shed the werewolf)
    Love myself more (I have very low self esteem)

    I hope that wasnt too long for a first post? I'm really looking forward to being part of this group
    • anamenottaken
    • By anamenottaken 7th Jan 18, 7:48 PM
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    Last year I noticed the thread title but never dipped in. So here I am wanting to join in but unlikely to post often.

    I'm 70 and a widow since mid-2016. Thought I'd found a new man but he suddenly had to end it - I believe his children (daughter in particular) couldn't cope with his finding someone else 18 months after their mother died. Any way, it made me realise there could be romance even at my age and I need to be sure I'm as attractive as I can be.

    After being obese for years, I'm now in the middle (21.2) of the BMI healthy weight scale. Having to buy new clothes. Have been wearing flat shoes for more than a year but bought some leather court shoes with 3" stiletto type heels yesterday in M&S sale - they are comfortable. Don't want to be mutton dressed as lamb but do want to be "fab".

    Need to tone up where I can - loss of weight means midriff and thighs need attention. Will try swimming - there's a pool nearby which I'll try.
    • sukeyboo
    • By sukeyboo 7th Jan 18, 7:49 PM
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    Welcome dandy-candy & anamenottaken

    You have come to the right place to get ‘fabbing’ - lots of tips and ideas from the lovely ladies on this thread

    Maman - I have been on my own mostly to the Balmer Lawn but twice now with a friend from work - we get on really well together but she is 20 years younger than me & has a young family so cannot go on the Spa days very often. Your people watching today sounded like fun - I really hope that I don’t end up looking like that either

    Indie - hope you have some luck with your internet dating

    Did manage to paint my nails on Friday night and I intend to make this a weekly habit - they look so much nicer with a bit of colour on them

    Hope you have all had a nice weekend
    Last edited by sukeyboo; 07-01-2018 at 7:52 PM.
    • BrassicWoman
    • By BrassicWoman 7th Jan 18, 8:55 PM
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    I adore Audrey Hepburn, she was just so elegant. Couldn't persuade myself to watch the remake, for me nothing could live up to Audrey! She came across as being beautiful inside and out.
    Originally posted by indiepanda
    I was lucky enough to visit the Opera House in Milan over the holidays and watched a documentary about Maria Callas. When she wanted to make herself more popular, she began transforming herself into Hepburn.

    Me, I suspect I have too many ribs.... the outfits had TINY waists!
    Jan 18 grocery challenge £105.13/ £150
    • anamenottaken
    • By anamenottaken 7th Jan 18, 9:37 PM
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    . . .

    Me, I suspect I have too many ribs.... the outfits had TINY waists!
    Originally posted by BrassicWoman
    Over recent decades (!) waists have increased in relation to hips - because women's bodies have changed.

    Have you noticed how many brands are trying to flatter us by assigning lower numbers to clothes? That is, for example I'm now wearing size 10 dresses but the last time my body was the size it is now I would have been wearing 12 or 14.
    • sashybo
    • By sashybo 7th Jan 18, 9:52 PM
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    Hi all,

    I managed some fabbing last night as did 35 mins of yoga then had a bath and defuzzed my legs. Also made sure to moisturise my body afterwards - I always do otherwise I feel horrible. I had rubbed some coconut oil into my scalp before washing my hair as my scalp has been so dry since having DS but not sure if it really helped.

    Poor DS didn't really settle at all last night and was waking hourly. He had quite a few dirty nappies so unsure if he is teething again or had a sore tummy. Ended up taking him into our bed at 5am & he slept for 3 hours - longest stretch of the night. As a consequence none of us are remotely fab in my house today - I managed the minimum of getting dressed and washing and moisturising my face/brushing my teeth and that's about it. Did more yoga tonight though.

    Having a bit of backward & forward with my mum as she thinks I'm not feeding my DS enough carbs and giving him too much fruit/veg which is why he's having episodes of lots of dirty nappies. I think he just tends to get them when he's teething and he hasn't been well with various colds/bugs etc for the last wee while either so that's not helped. She panics too much and then tries to tell me what I'm doing wrong (in her opinion). My DH is getting annoyed with her and I'm just getting a bit stressed out.

    Hi to the other newbies btw.
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    • maman
    • By maman 7th Jan 18, 10:37 PM
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    Great to see more new posters. Welcome!

    Sorry to hear you're mum is giving you a hard time sashy . I'm sure she means well but that doesn't make it any easier. Good to hear you are spending the time you can on yourself though.

    Looking forward to chatting with you all very soon.
    • sugarbaby125
    • By sugarbaby125 8th Jan 18, 9:06 AM
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    Hello Ladies and a warm welcome to all of you newbies,

    I went for a lovely Nigerian/Caribbean meal with my daughter last night. I had bought a Groupon for the meal last November. We had a long wait before our starter was finally served to us, but it was certainly worth the wait. My daughter and I just chatted away to each other as we were waiting and this was a perfect opportunity for some Mother and daughter bonding. I rarely drink alcohol, but cocktails were part of the meal, so I had a Mojito which tasted very refreshing and not too alcoholic for my almost teetotal taste buds. My daughter had a Disaronno Delight. I had to verify that she was 25 as our waitress had assumed she was too young to legally drink alcohol, which would have made her 15 or younger. A 16 year old is legally allowed to drink alcohol in a restaurant if they are also having a meal and dining with an adult aged 18 years plus. My daughter will eventually appreciate looking much younger than her chronological age when she is older.

    My daughter had a spicy beef, rocket and Parmesan salad for her starter and I had salt fish fritters with capon mayonnaise and salad leaves. My main was jerk chicken with gravy, rice & peas and salad leaves with a drizzle of dressing and macaroni cheese. My daughter's main was a jerk chicken breast fillet burger with salad served with chunky triple cooked chips and fried dumplings. The food was an amazing feast of delectable tastes and textures.

    I wore my black M & S heatgen long sleeved evening top with my black pull on M & S Autograph spotted paneled skirt with my black leather Clarks boots, a black acrylic scarf, my black long line leather jacket, my black leather gloves and my black faux fur trimmed hat. I was carrying my new black leather Osprey handbag which was a Christmas present from my favourite sister. I wore a solid silver & single stone diamonique ring, a solid silver necklace with a spiral with crystals pendant, solid silver hoop earrings with my stainless steel and diamond Ingersoll watch. I wore perfume, but did not bother with any make up.

    As soon as I got home, I bought another Groupon for this restaurant because we had a fantastic night out even though the service was slow. The waitress kept her cool even though the restaurant was busy and she had a lot of tables to take care of. She was courteous and attentive and had a beautiful smile. She seemed very surprised when I left her a £5 tip.

    As I am now unemployed and do not know if or when I will get my next job, I have to be careful about spending money on nights outs. Groupon vouchers make it possible for me and my daughter to still have the odd enjoyable meal in a restaurant this year.
    • indiepanda
    • By indiepanda 8th Jan 18, 11:06 AM
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    After being obese for years, I'm now in the middle (21.2) of the BMI healthy weight scale. Having to buy new clothes. Have been wearing flat shoes for more than a year but bought some leather court shoes with 3" stiletto type heels yesterday in M&S sale - they are comfortable. Don't want to be mutton dressed as lamb but do want to be "fab".
    Originally posted by anamenottaken
    That's great to have got so slim, bet you are feeling so much better for it.
    I have to admit I mainly live in flats or if I do heels they are of the chunkier style and probably more like 1.5-2.5 inches. I have very mobile ankles that turn over very easily and no matter how elegant the shoe if I end up wobbling around like a baby giraffe that hasn't quite worked out how to use it's legs properly it spoils the effect somewhat .

    I was lucky enough to visit the Opera House in Milan over the holidays and watched a documentary about Maria Callas. When she wanted to make herself more popular, she began transforming herself into Hepburn.

    Me, I suspect I have too many ribs.... the outfits had TINY waists!
    Originally posted by BrassicWoman
    Oh, even by the standards of her day (which of course were much slimmer) Hepburn was incredibly slim. 5'7" and one source I read suggested she had a 20 inch waist. Now I can recall having a 22 inch waist when I was 17, but I am three inches shorter than Hepburn and I was tiny at 17. And I wouldn't aspire to getting that slim now... quite aside of anything else I was verging on flat chested at the time - still developing I guess.
    • indiepanda
    • By indiepanda 8th Jan 18, 11:09 AM
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    Over recent decades (!) waists have increased in relation to hips - because women's bodies have changed.

    Have you noticed how many brands are trying to flatter us by assigning lower numbers to clothes? That is, for example I'm now wearing size 10 dresses but the last time my body was the size it is now I would have been wearing 12 or 14.
    Originally posted by anamenottaken
    Definitely. I lost about 10kg last year and got back into a couple of Precis suits I bought in 2000 which were size 16, but I've been buying 12/14 for my slimmer wardrobe. I also had a Precis suit bought in 2015 which was 16 and is now falling off me. I'd had in mind the end target was size 12 on top and 14 on the bottom, but I think now it needs to be 10 on the top and 12 on the bottom.
    • maman
    • By maman 8th Jan 18, 11:40 AM
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    Just waving you off on your trip LL. Do call in when you get wifi and let us know where you are and how you're doing.


    Glad you had a good time sugarbaby. That meal sounds like an amazing bargain for what you had and also something different from run of the mill restaurants.


    I have to agree about the dress sizing. Although my weight fluctuates by a few pounds, I have clothes from a size 10 to a size 16 that all fit! It's all about vanity sizing. I think it's been going on for years. About 20 years ago I liked a lot of the clothes that Wallis made and a size 10 always fitted me there but I know I was really more a 12/14. While styles make a big difference, it's also about how generous/mean different brands are with fabrics. These days I aim for a small size 12 in a good brand but I know I might have to go larger in some of the cheaper ranges. It's a bit like what we said about the boots and jeans, you just have to try things on. Sometimes two garments in the same size can vary!


    I've done my usual fabbing today including body lotion and foot cream. Tonight I'm off to my occasional art appreciation class. It's close to home (about a mile) so I generally walk so wear flat shoes/boots. I'm planning to wear my knee length boots with opaques, a velvet skirt and a smart jumper unless it's very cold when I could decide to wear smart jeans instead.


    Pleased to say that healthy food is back on track properly. I've left it to my DH to finish off what's left of Christmas goodies. he has his uses!
    • Rubyslippers77
    • By Rubyslippers77 8th Jan 18, 11:58 AM
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    Happy New Year to everyone!!

    Sorry I haven't posted for ages, but I hope everyone is enjoying 2018 so far, and a big hello to the newbies

    LL, as and when you read this, hope you're having an amazing holiday and thank you for the new thread!!

    Sashy, have you tried these for DS? I have twin 2 year olds, one with a permanently streaming nose, and these work a treat. Plug it in about an hour before bedtime, keep the door closed and my goodness, it will unblock most noses:

    https://www.calpol.co.uk/our-products/calpol-soothe-care-vapour-plug-and-nightlight?psid_medium=cpc&psid_source=google&psid _term=[calpol%20night%20plug%20in]&psid_content=text&psid_campaign=go-gb-eng-ps-calpol-bp-exa-rn-products

    Also if your DS does eat a lot of fruit/ yogurt, you could mix baby rice into them to up his carbs if you think it might help. I did it with mine as it helped to fill their tummies up more and sleep a bit longer!

    What an interesting idea about the photos maman, and a great reminder of your progress! Useful what you say about changing eating habits too, I definitely have to work on that, have cut out alcohol so far this year but there's lots of other things to change.

    Thank you for the info on being 'good enough', indie and ellsbel - I've read good things about the doctor too, but nice to read personal viewpoints too.

    Ah dandy-candy, we have a lot of aims in common! Now my DC are 2 I really want to make an effort to get in shape, but don't have the money to join a gym, although I would love to. I've been so ill over Christmas and New Year and still have a terrible wheezing cough, so couldn't do much exercise yet anyway, but even walking to the shops is such an effort at the moment. I've started my own 'lose 40lb at 40' challenge (I turn 41 this year) and have lost 3lb, but there's a long way to go to fit into my clothes properly and get anywhere near my pre-DC weight!

    With those things in mind, my word for the year is 'confidence' - I really want to regain mine by losing weight and looking better. I've ordered some shoes and boots from Fitflop in the winter sale (and an extra discount code from being a new subscriber), if nothing else my feet will look nicer whilst I work on the rest of me
    • dandy-candy
    • By dandy-candy 8th Jan 18, 1:12 PM
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    Ana you are absolutely right about sizes. I believe sewing patterns are based on sizes set out in the 40/50s and if you are a shop bought size 10 today, then you will be a sewing pattern size 14! I felt inspired by your post and put on heels today - only 2" ones as I'm very out of practice and never was a fan of very high heels.

    Ruby my DH has had this horrible flu too and the cough he said is the worst bit! Take it easy until you are fully better

    Well today has been a good start. I had a shower and the put my hair in rollers which was an awful lot harder than it looked on YouTube!! I can't remember which bird makes a messy nest, but that was my head but when I took them out though it looked pretty good so I'm happy. I have put on make up, re applied my nail polish, and put on a new skirt I bought yesterday and my heels.

    I'm not going out anywhere but I really want to get out of the mind set that if I stay in I might as well slob around in tracksuit bottoms oh a remembered perfume too!
    • Ellsbel
    • By Ellsbel 8th Jan 18, 1:51 PM
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    Hello *dandycandy* and *anamenottaken* .
    *Maman* I have a black longline jumper with a silver thread running through it that Iíve worn now and again on evenings out, with skinny black jeans. I donít think itís quite what youíre describing (hopefully ) - but I know just what you mean with the clothing youíre describing; this outfit is very much a ďfat uniformĒ for me and one I fall back on because I feel too big to wear a dress! I was planning on discarding it, like *Indie* has done with her tops, but I think Iíll hang on to it as a ďthreatĒ to myself of what happens to my dress sense when I donít watch my weight
    Iíve actually ordered a dress today in two sizes below my current size! Itís in the sales - a short sleeved shift dress with pockets that I plan to wear with opaques and boots for work - Iím determined to be wearing it in a few months from now - Iíll report back when I do
    *sugarbaby* your meal last night sounds delicious and has my mouth watering reading about it
    Iím spending quite a bit of my free time lately browsing various sites and picking up style ideas for when I reach my goal weight. Iím looking forward to a complete overhaul
    Today Iíve had a nice long walk. I wore my favourite long woollen scarf and a hat; not particularly glam but very cosy.
    The rest of the day will be pottering at home, but Iíve put on jeans and a smart-ish thin knit top, and am wearing perfume
    Have a good day everyone
    • LuxuryWoman
    • By LuxuryWoman 8th Jan 18, 2:57 PM
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    Far from fab here as the dreaded lurgy has taken hold, the house feels disgusting and germy like it need a good bleaching and I look a fright with my big red nose, lank hair and blotchy, flu-face!

    When I'm all mended I'll come and read back properly, you sound a terrific bunch and I'd like to get to know everyone better and take inspiration.

    I'm off to bed now for a nap. Stay fab ladies.
    • Floss
    • By Floss 8th Jan 18, 6:03 PM
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    I met my BF for lunch today in Warrington; when we went our separate ways I went up to Ike@ and the big M&$ next door. What a jumble sale! Rail after rail of reduced clothing, lots of things that nobody wants even with 60% off. I won't be surprised to hear they had a bad Christmas period in clothing.
    • sashybo
    • By sashybo 8th Jan 18, 9:55 PM
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    Hi all,

    Sorry to hear you're mum is giving you a hard time sashy . I'm sure she means well but that doesn't make it any easier.
    Originally posted by maman
    You're right maman she just wants to help, she just drives me mad sometimes, same with my PIL to be honest. I have to just remind myself to nod & smile and do what I want anyway as I know they mean well. Sometimes it's hard as they can be so dismissive of things they don't agree with (both my mum & PIL). My mum is generally great and has been so supportive & helpful since I had DS, just sometimes she annoys me.

    Sashy, have you tried these for DS? I have twin 2 year olds, one with a permanently streaming nose, and these work a treat. Plug it in about an hour before bedtime, keep the door closed and my goodness, it will unblock most noses:

    [url]https://www.calpol.co.uk/our-products/calpol-soothe-care-vapour-plug-and-nightlight psid_medium=cpc&psid_source=google&psid_term=

    Also if your DS does eat a lot of fruit/ yogurt, you could mix baby rice into them to up his carbs if you think it might help. I did it with mine as it helped to fill their tummies up more and sleep a bit longer!
    Originally posted by Rubyslippers77
    Thanks Ruby we got the plug in last week after my SIL recommended it but he still seems to be waking up bothered by the cold. I'm using snufflebabe on his chest and a saline spray up his nose before bed too - maybe I'm irritating his nose too much?

    Baby rice is a great idea Ruby, I have a box of it sitting there as he doesn't like eating it on its own so could give that a try.

    Well today I went & tried on bras in an E cup and was pretty shocked that they actually fitted a lot better than the B cup I normally wear. The 32 back feels really tight to me but I have been wearing a 36 for a good while so that might be why. I can always take them back & exchange them for a bigger back size if I need to, will try wearing them for a while and then see if they're digging in etc.
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    • maddiemay
    • By maddiemay 8th Jan 18, 11:40 PM
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    maddiemay
    sashybo - For years now I have used small indie lingerie shops to buy my bras, lucky to have had a great one in Dorset for 10 years+ and then found one about an hour's drive away when I moved here. I am small back and bigger frontage and in both shops the proprietors would always put me in ones that felt tight, but they assured me that all the weight should be supported by the band and not the straps and that they would give enough with wear and washing, thankfully they were right

    I hope that yours are comfy enough soon.
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