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    • C6057c
    • By C6057c 7th Dec 17, 5:56 PM
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    Parking charge notice - VCS
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    Parking charge notice - VCS 7th Dec 17 at 5:56 PM
    Hi, I need some advice on a parking charge notice issued by vehicle control services ltd which has been received as the keeper. The driver was parked on an area of private land while attending an event in Manchester.
    When the driver returned to the car there was a yellow card on the car which advised the driver to go to myparkingcharge.co.uk to see the details. A week later I received a NTK as the keeper of the vehicle for £100 reduced to £60. The reduced charge is availble until tomorrow 8/12/17.
    The driver has said the area in question is poorly lit with no sign of a sign from the entrance. The only sign that is close by is on a fence in complete darkness at night time not far from overgrown shrubs. The pictures on the website show the car parked with the sign in the background, but whoever has taken the picture has aimed there car headlights at the sign so that it is lit up.
    Now, the driver parked in the same area in 2014 and received a PCN then, refused to pay and received a few debt collection letters which were ignored. So do I send an appeal refusing to pay again through myparkingcharge.co.uk or directly to VCS on the grounds that the signage is insufficient and not clear? There is no loss to the landowner as the driver has said the area is in an awful state with overgrown shrubs and fly tipping!
    I have read the sticky but unsure how to approach with already having a pcn from the same area a few years ago!
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    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 7th Dec 17, 6:12 PM
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    Why does it matter?
    Just follow the sticky. This is vcs. They’re more litigious now so hav8ng photos of unlit signs will help.
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 7th Dec 17, 6:56 PM
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    The poor signage is a good appeal point as is lack of lighting.

    But as the driver was aware from 2014 that this is an area covered by parking restrictions, then they must have parked with full awareness of their consequences.

    The great thing about experience is it forms a good basis for making good decisions - or it should !
    • Redx
    • By Redx 7th Dec 17, 7:02 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 7:02 PM
    Now, the driver parked in the same area in 2014 and received a PCN then, refused to pay and received a few debt collection letters which were ignored.
    Originally posted by C6057c
    but VCS have 6 years to issue an MCOL so its not over , until its over, so sometime in 2020 which means the driver is about halfway through checking his or her post for an LBC or an MCOL for that 3 year old pcn

    and for the new one its 6 years , so say late 2023 for safety
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • C6057c
    • By C6057c 7th Dec 17, 7:11 PM
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    Thanks for the replies, I thought if it did go as far as court eventually then it would come up that the driver was aware there was a restricton because of the previous contravention. The driver is aware of other people that have parked there recently who have never had a PCN on these occasions so that is why the driver parked there for a second time! In this instance would the driver be better paying the current PCN while it is at the reduced rate?
    • Redx
    • By Redx 7th Dec 17, 7:16 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 7:16 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 7:16 PM
    the PCN is in the keepers name , so only the keeper can deal with it at the moment

    the keeper could name the driver if they so wish (we dont normally recommend this)

    the driver could pay the keeper the same amount as it takes the keeper to clear the alleged debt within the early discount period

    if the keeper does neither , then VCS will try and hold the keeper responsible and liable by trying to invoke POFA2012 and have 6 years to try an MCOL

    so it is the keeper that better decide and do what is best for themselves (at this time the driver has no say in the matter)
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 7th Dec 17, 7:32 PM
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    Thanks for the replies, I thought if it did go as far as court eventually then it would come up that the driver was aware there was a restricton because of the previous contravention. The driver is aware of other people that have parked there recently who have never had a PCN on these occasions so that is why the driver parked there for a second time! In this instance would the driver be better paying the current PCN while it is at the reduc ed rate?
    Originally posted by C6057c
    Of course, in strictly within the bounds od possibility, as far as the PPC is concerned, it may have been the same keeper in 2014 and 2017 but not the same driver!!
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 7th Dec 17, 7:57 PM
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    Vcs don’t “do” pofa o don’t believe RedX.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 7th Dec 17, 8:00 PM
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    that is why I said "try" and "trying" , they may well try all their other "stabs in the dark like elliott vs loake" etc

    one thing for sure , they will definitely keep harassing the keeper if the keeper ignores this or does not name the driver and does not pay either , it is what they do

    at the moment , the KEEPER has to decide what to do because the NTK is in the keepers name , that decision could decide on any future path taken by VCS and against whom
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
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