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    • sabtokin
    • By sabtokin 6th Dec 17, 11:48 PM
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    PCN from CPM
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    • 6th Dec 17, 11:48 PM
    PCN from CPM 6th Dec 17 at 11:48 PM
    Hi all,

    I've been issued a PCN from UK CPM (UK Car park managemen) on the 4th of December for staying in a hospital car part (north Middlesex hospital) without paying.

    The driver was picking up a family member and knew that the first 10 minutes parking is free at the very least, but their family got held up and they ended up waiting for 18 minutes which is what I'm being fined for.

    The driver didn't even realise the parking wasn't free because they couldn't see any signs from where they had parked, but my family member told them that the parking wasn't free when they arrived. But the driver thought it would be okay anyway because it felt like they'd only been waiting for 10 minutes.

    The driver also circled the car park a few times at the start and end because they wanted to pick them up from the main entrance so they had to keep checking if they had arrived.

    I'm just wondering if I have any case to appeal and hopefully get the PCN cancelled?

    Thanks!
    Last edited by sabtokin; 07-12-2017 at 6:04 PM.
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    • claxtome
    • By claxtome 7th Dec 17, 5:01 AM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 5:01 AM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 5:01 AM
    I'm just wondering if I have any case to appeal and hopefully get the PCN cancelled
    Always worth appealing as keeper.
    See NEWBIE sticky thread about appealing to an IPC member - when/how/what to say.

    If feasible I would go back to the car park and look at the signs taking pictures.
    Depending on what it says depends on the advice how to defend it.
    Potentially one defence is about the 10 mins grace period allowed to leave the car park after the initial free 10 mins of parking.

    Note: I would heavily edit your opening post so there is no reference to who the driver may have been. Use the words "the driver did..." Etc.
    This ensures you don't shoot yourself in the foot when you want to defend this case as the keeper.
    (Parking firms search forums and can use the info they find as evidence)
    • sabtokin
    • By sabtokin 7th Dec 17, 5:43 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 5:43 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 5:43 PM
    Thank you for the reply! I'll definitely go back and take some pictures! And I'll update the original post too, thank you.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 7th Dec 17, 5:45 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 5:45 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 5:45 PM
    bear in mind that the PPC is unlikely to cancel the initial appeal, these companies rarely do

    its a paper excercise only

    and definitely edit post #1

    what happened on the day happened to THE DRIVER

    what happened since that day has happened to the KEEPER
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 7th Dec 17, 6:07 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 6:07 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 6:07 PM
    Have you formally contacted PALS (Google it) at the hospital and ask them to intervene and get this cancelled?
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • sabtokin
    • By sabtokin 7th Dec 17, 6:29 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 6:29 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 6:29 PM
    bear in mind that the PPC is unlikely to cancel the initial appeal, these companies rarely do

    its a paper excercise only

    and definitely edit post #1

    what happened on the day happened to THE DRIVER

    what happened since that day has happened to the KEEPER
    Originally posted by Redx
    Thank you for the response. What do you mean by "its a paper exercise only"?
    • sabtokin
    • By sabtokin 7th Dec 17, 6:31 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 6:31 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 6:31 PM
    Have you formally contacted PALS (Google it) at the hospital and ask them to intervene and get this cancelled?
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    I have not yet. Should I do this immediately? (Before appealing to UK CPM?)
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 7th Dec 17, 9:05 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 9:05 PM
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    • 7th Dec 17, 9:05 PM
    I have not yet. Should I do this immediately? (Before appealing to UK CPM?)
    Originally posted by sabtokin
    Was the UKCPM a windscreen or through-the-post ticket? You need to follow the advice in the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #1 which tells you the optimum time for when to send in your initial appeal to them. Getting that right is your first priority. Then ......

    If it was a windscreen ticket you can get on with the PALS contact before waiting until around day 18 (as per the sticky) to send in your initial appeal to UKCPM.

    If it was a NtK through the post, get on with your initial appeal while contacting PALS in parallel.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
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