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    • David Aston
    • By David Aston 5th Dec 17, 12:48 PM
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    Maybe Linux!
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    • 5th Dec 17, 12:48 PM
    Maybe Linux! 5th Dec 17 at 12:48 PM
    While I am very taken with the appearance of Windows 7N, after happily using Vista for years, it does appear that I cannot buy a Key, to legitimize it. Activation required within 10 days.
    So, at the mo' on the Zorin distro page, considering downloading it.
    Can I ask you experts if a simple download will, first do absolutely nothing until I attempt to install it. And second, be able to install, while keeping 7 in the short term, and then my original Vista, still useable, if all else fails?
    Thanks for your comments
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    • David Aston
    • By David Aston 6th Dec 17, 9:38 AM
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    Thanks all, for your further comments.
    Always - Very comprehensive post which I had better write down before attempting to crack on. Also, I would happily give you the rolling eyes emoticon, which I deserve, if I knew where it was.
    I think that I will give this a real go, perhaps because with this machine my choices remain an unsupported Vista, a rather nice looking but un-activatible 7, or Linux.
    Truthfully I would happily pay Bill and Melinda a reasonable sum to get 7 going legally, but that doesn't seem to be possible.
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 6th Dec 17, 10:45 AM
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    No chance! You want to give Arch Linux a go!
    Originally posted by esuhl
    I do, but I never have the time.
    • David Aston
    • By David Aston 6th Dec 17, 11:24 AM
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    Please, can I ask how I find the root on the flash drive?
    It lists,
    a Locale folder
    autorun icon
    autorun icon
    The Locale folder contains 25 items. I can't see root named as such.
    Other than that, to quote the Steve McQueen joke, "So far so good!"
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 6th Dec 17, 12:39 PM
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    ^ No idea but if you're trying to run mint from a flash drive the previously mentioned rufus is good. I've got linux puppy on a usb drive so it can't be that hard.

    http://www.fosslinux.com/274/how-to-create-linux-mint-live-usb-drive-on-windows.htm
    Don't harass a hippie. You'll get bad karma.
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 6th Dec 17, 1:08 PM
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    In GNU, the root of a flash drive will be in whichever directory you mounted it to.
    • David Aston
    • By David Aston 6th Dec 17, 1:44 PM
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    "copy the three files within and paste them to the root of your newly bootable USB Flash drive."

    This is the point I'm stuck at from "Always" response.

    Norman, when I went to the Rufus link in Always post, it appeared in the form which his/hers showed, and I followed those instructions.
    Your own link looks promising, but is different.
    esuhl, I'm sorry, I don't know about mounting to directories.
    • Shrimply
    • By Shrimply 6th Dec 17, 1:50 PM
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    esuhl, I'm sorry, I don't know about mounting to directories.
    Originally posted by David Aston
    Whatever drive letter the flash drive has been assigned by Windows that is the root directory.

    So if it appears as (E the root the root will be E:\.

    In other words if you open the drive through the control panel the folder that opens will be the root directory. As it's bootable you might have to right click and select open rather than double clicking it. I'm not sure.
    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 6th Dec 17, 1:51 PM
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    The "root" directory is just the top-level directory. On windows, it would be e:\ or which everdrive letter has been assigned to the drive.
    • AlwaysHere
    • By AlwaysHere 6th Dec 17, 1:55 PM
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    Please, can I ask how I find the root on the flash drive?
    It lists,
    a Locale folder
    autorun icon
    autorun icon
    The Locale folder contains 25 items. I can't see root named as such.
    Other than that, to quote the Steve McQueen joke, "So far so good!"
    Originally posted by David Aston
    Just drop them into empty space, not in any of the folders.
    • David Aston
    • By David Aston 6th Dec 17, 2:00 PM
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    Thanks guys. Via "computer", it is called USB Disk (J, so I will have a go at pasting the three opened items into same, and see what happens.
    • David Aston
    • By David Aston 6th Dec 17, 2:01 PM
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    David Aston
    Thanks Always, I just posted prior to seeing your response.
    • AlwaysHere
    • By AlwaysHere 6th Dec 17, 2:04 PM
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    AlwaysHere
    "copy the three files within and paste them to the root of your newly bootable USB Flash drive."

    This is the point I'm stuck at from "Always" response.

    Norman, when I went to the Rufus link in Always post, it appeared in the form which his/hers showed, and I followed those instructions.
    Your own link looks promising, but is different.
    esuhl, I'm sorry, I don't know about mounting to directories.
    Originally posted by David Aston
    Norman Castle is writing about something else completely .Utilising Linux.
    But I am simply updating your machine's Microsoft Windows licence from Vista to Vista + Windows 7.
    This will allow you to activate Windows 7 or Windows 10 on your current machine.
    • AlwaysHere
    • By AlwaysHere 6th Dec 17, 2:05 PM
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    Thanks guys. Via "computer", it is called USB Disk (J, so I will have a go at pasting the three opened items into same, and see what happens.
    Originally posted by David Aston
    You can right click on each of the files and choose 'Send to J:'
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 6th Dec 17, 2:26 PM
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    esuhl, I'm sorry, I don't know about mounting to directories.
    Originally posted by David Aston
    I thought you were talking about GNU/Linux systems rather than Windows.

    In both GNU and Windows, storage devices have to be mounted to a directory (aka folder).

    Windows usually mounts USB drives automatically to a virtual directory identified with a drive letter, e.g. D:\.

    Unix/GNU systems mount storage devices in your chosen directory in the filesystem. So you might mount a USB drive to /mnt/USBdrive1, or to ~/esuhl/USB or... anywhere you like really.

    Because GNU/Linux systems vary so much, it's possible that a base installation will automatically mount USB devices, but it's equally possible that you'll have to manually mount the device by creating an empty directory and using the "mount" command.

    http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/mount.8.html

    A fundamental principle of Unix/GNU is that "everything is a file". So you will see hardware devices (such as hard drives) listed in the /dev directory. But you can't access the hardware device in /dev directly, which is why they must be mounted to the filesystem.
    Last edited by esuhl; 06-12-2017 at 2:31 PM.
    • David Aston
    • By David Aston 6th Dec 17, 2:45 PM
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    Must be brief. Using my ancient IPad!
    The DOS screen appears to have verified the flash drive.
    Sadly for me, it shows an expectant flashing cursor,
    C:\_

    Could I dare to ask what to put in?
    • AlwaysHere
    • By AlwaysHere 6th Dec 17, 2:56 PM
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    Must be brief. Using my ancient IPad!
    The DOS screen appears to have verified the flash drive.
    Sadly for me, it shows an expectant flashing cursor,
    C:\_

    Could I dare to ask what to put in?
    Originally posted by David Aston
    Did you choose the USB Flash drive as the drive from which to boot?

    If so, type DOSFLASH and hit the Enter key.
    • David Aston
    • By David Aston 6th Dec 17, 3:04 PM
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    I believe I selected The flash drive, entered DOSFLASH, returned, and watched it verifying the flash memory, prior to it producing the flashing cursor.
    • David Aston
    • By David Aston 6th Dec 17, 4:14 PM
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    So, I retreated out of that DOS page and restarted the computer normally.
    Now, I intend to do a full format on a Kingston 8 gig flash drive I have. (I did note that 8 was the largest recommended size for this job, and the one I have been using is a 16 gig cheapo from Wilkinson's. No offence to them.)
    Then, follow your "Rufus" steps Always, and see if it works this time.
    I am grateful for everyones help and comments up to now, and certainly will attempt the Linux route if I have to.
    As a postscript, it is an awful long time since I have stared at a dos screen on a computer!
    • AlwaysHere
    • By AlwaysHere 6th Dec 17, 6:23 PM
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    So, I retreated out of that DOS page and restarted the computer normally.
    Now, I intend to do a full format on a Kingston 8 gig flash drive I have. (I did note that 8 was the largest recommended size for this job, and the one I have been using is a 16 gig cheapo from Wilkinson's. No offence to them.)
    Then, follow your "Rufus" steps Always, and see if it works this time.
    I am grateful for everyones help and comments up to now, and certainly will attempt the Linux route if I have to.
    As a postscript, it is an awful long time since I have stared at a dos screen on a computer!
    Originally posted by David Aston
    No, don't do that.

    Let's check if you have flashed your BIOS.

    Download, save this application

    Once saved, right click on the application and choose Run As Administrator'.

    You'll see a screen like this;



    Click on the Advanced tab to see the screen above.

    Which version is shown 2.1 or 2.0?
    • David Aston
    • By David Aston 6th Dec 17, 7:09 PM
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    David Aston
    Bless you, always
    appears to be 2.1 as in your example.
    Look, I have to rejoin my Missus downstairs, or blood will flow!
    I am so grateful for your help. If anything comes to mind for me to try tomorrow I will certainly get stuck in then.
    By the way, your Rufus seemed to be an earlier, and in fact more option laden version to the one I have downloaded. I did attempt to follow your instructions with the smaller Kingston flash drive. Same result as it happens.
    Cheers for now.
    Dave
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