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    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 5th Dec 17, 10:31 AM
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    Esa f2f this morning should I take pop award ?
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    • 5th Dec 17, 10:31 AM
    Esa f2f this morning should I take pop award ? 5th Dec 17 at 10:31 AM
    I have my f2f at 11.30 and am gathering Info to take with me ...

    Should I take my pip award notice which states what points were given for what ( as this backs up my esa claim )

    Very stressed very worried and really canít think straight .

    I have a copy of my esa50
    I have letter from carer
    I have my extra notes
    I have my covering letter
    I have my medical report from doctor for the pii have letter from doctor which was used recently for the council to say about my career staying and that she helps me with meals medication and making sure I donít self harm and that all my needs are met

    All of which have been sent in with esa50 bar the recent doc letter about carer .

    Sorry itís short notice but with everything going on Iíve only just thought about it

    Many thanks
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    • Toby2468
    • By Toby2468 5th Dec 17, 11:24 AM
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    I tried to reply to you earlier but it didn't work for some reason,hope it went well.
    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 5th Dec 17, 11:49 AM
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    Iím back home and Iím in a right state X I got I to the waiting room and there were about 10 people in there . One group of about 4 young people who were altogether being loud and walking all around the place . I couldnít cope .

    There was no one on reception so I hid around a corner . The said group came round looking at me one by one while trying to make out they were looking at reception .

    When someone eventually came on reception I asked if I could go into a room on my own , she could clearly see I was not handling the situation very well . She said there was quite a long wait and as I was last there would be lots of people coming through and she didnít think Iíd be able to cope so she has given me the first appointment at 9 oíclock Friday morning .
    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 5th Dec 17, 11:51 AM
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    • 5th Dec 17, 11:51 AM
    Thankyou toby2468 any advice would be approximated
    • sandra1980123
    • By sandra1980123 5th Dec 17, 1:32 PM
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    • 5th Dec 17, 1:32 PM
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    • 5th Dec 17, 1:32 PM
    Hi Daisy I am toby2468 I tried to sign in on my phone and forgot my password so signed in with facebook and Toby came up,can't remember that one must of made it after a little tipple lol.I only said earlier to take your pip award notice with you,it can't do any harm.

    That was a shambles this morning,it's terrible how they just don't care enough even to be organised,at least now you will be first on Friday.
    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 5th Dec 17, 2:00 PM
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    • 5th Dec 17, 2:00 PM
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    • 5th Dec 17, 2:00 PM
    I think it’s really bad that they are assessing someone on mental health grounds who clearly state that they can’t be around other people or crowded places due to anxiety and panic attacks etc and book them in at a time when they know they will be extremely busy .... do they not even read our forms ?? Or just don’t care enough ? The receptionist was lovely she said she knows how hard it would have been to come but thought I’d be better off coming again as a first apointment when it was quiet . Surely they should be putting all those down with social phobia and anxiety around others at either first or last apointment when the centre is least busy ?? I guess they just book apointment when ever without regard to the stress and ordeal it puts us under .

    The receptionist was lovely and could clearly see I wouldn’t have been able to wait in that environment . She got straight on the phone and said she wanted to reschedule and then said some letters like nw .

    Will this all be noted down that I attended ? Will it go against me like I was the one wanting it rescheduled ?

    Many thanks
    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 5th Dec 17, 2:02 PM
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    • 5th Dec 17, 2:02 PM
    I have also rang them this morning when I got home and requested the assessment to be recorded . She said they have noted it but to ring a number Thursday to confirm it will be . After all this I just want some extra protection
    • sandra1980123
    • By sandra1980123 5th Dec 17, 2:24 PM
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    It should be fine as you said the receptionist was nice and she didn't need to do what she did,to be honest you with they even lie when it gets recorded and a lot people seem to have a problems getting it recorded better just to go and get it over and done with.

    I am on esa for social phobia first time I got a paperbased assessment second time I didn't put as much detail in my ESA50 and had to have a f2f the place was mobbed and she left me waiting for 2 hours I didn't think anything of it at the time but later on I thought did she do it on purpose to see if I had a meltdown,she basically told me on the way out she had failed me.
    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 5th Dec 17, 2:32 PM
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    • 5th Dec 17, 2:32 PM
    Are you waiting on an appeal then Sandra ? How long have you been waiting etc ? Do you still get paid ? I am so so stressed . Surly if we both have copies of the recording they can’t lie about it ?
    • sandra1980123
    • By sandra1980123 5th Dec 17, 3:00 PM
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    It's because they are allowed to assume things and twist your words they still do it on their reports even though it is getting recorded because most of the time the decision maker goes with their report,they don't care if you appeal and win they have done their job by denying you.But remember not all assessors are bad you could get a nice one it just depends on your luck.

    I didn't need to appeal when the decision maker called to tell me 0 points I told him a few things he read my evidence and overturned the decision and kept me in support group,thank god he did phone or i would have been appealing,so there are some decent decision makers too.
    Last edited by sandra1980123; 05-12-2017 at 3:10 PM.
    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 5th Dec 17, 3:10 PM
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    That’s great news but I assume you were lucky that the decision maker called you as most just deny you and write don’t they ?

    I can’t only wait till Friday and keep my fingers crossed they give me someone nice . After today’s shenanigans I don’t think I can cope with much more
    • sandra1980123
    • By sandra1980123 5th Dec 17, 3:21 PM
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    Yeah I was really lucky,they phone for different reasons it just depends on the decision maker.

    I am sure you will get someone nice,you will be fine come Friday you made it there today you will make it Friday as well.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 5th Dec 17, 8:06 PM
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    I think itís really bad that they are assessing someone on mental health grounds who clearly state that they canít be around other people or crowded places due to anxiety and panic attacks etc and book them in at a time when they know they will be extremely busy .... do they not even read our forms ?? Or just donít care enough ? The receptionist was lovely she said she knows how hard it would have been to come but thought Iíd be better off coming again as a first apointment when it was quiet . Surely they should be putting all those down with social phobia and anxiety around others at either first or last apointment when the centre is least busy ?? I guess they just book apointment when ever without regard to the stress and ordeal it puts us under .

    The receptionist was lovely and could clearly see I wouldnít have been able to wait in that environment . She got straight on the phone and said she wanted to reschedule and then said some letters like nw .

    Will this all be noted down that I attended ? Will it go against me like I was the one wanting it rescheduled ?

    Many thanks
    Originally posted by Daisy2017
    Is there anyone that can go with you to the next apppointment. Is the reasons your claiming ESA for anxiety? If you go alone this may go against you. I'm not saying it will but it has been know plenty of times in the past.

    Didn't you send in evidence to support your claim when you sent the form back? It's always better to send the evidence at this time rather than hand it in to the assessment provider. Doing it this way there's always a chance they won't use that evidence when writing that report out. hand it all in yes naturally, if they accept it.

    Having your assessment recorded mybe too late now as your assessment is Friday morning. I'd ring Thursday to make sure it's going to be recorded because giving them as much time as possible would have been better for you.

    Answer all those questions with as much detail as possible and avoid answer just yes and no. They'll be watching you from the minute you arrive to the minute you leave.

    Good luck.
    • beanielou
    • By beanielou 5th Dec 17, 9:21 PM
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    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 6th Dec 17, 6:54 AM
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    Hi poppy

    Yes I supplied all the evidence with the form other then the recent doctors letter which Iím hoping they will take a copy of at the assessment .

    I just thought Iíd take it all along with me on the day too and was wondering if I should take my pup discripters - ie I have awarded you 2 points for this and 2 points for that . But on some of the discripters ie the continence I got zero so would this then sway them ?

    My friend took me but was unable to park so dropped me right outside of the centre doors . I would have informed them of this . Unfortunately she has work on Friday and so is still unable to actully come in with me and I donít have anyone else I can take . She starts work at 9.00 so is going to drop me off again but I will have to try and find someone else to come and collect me . If not then Iím not quite sure what Iím going to do as I canít cope with public transport . This is just another part of the process which is getting me down . She took the day off on Tuesday to do this with me and canít possibly take another day off again .

    Iím just worried Tuesday will go against me as it was cancelled . Will the receptionist make a note that I was distressed due to the environment and she rescheduled or will that class as I rescheduled and no note wrote down

    Thankyou for your replies
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 6th Dec 17, 3:16 PM
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    Hi poppy

    Yes I supplied all the evidence with the form other then the recent doctors letter which Iím hoping they will take a copy of at the assessment .

    I just thought Iíd take it all along with me on the day too and was wondering if I should take my pup discripters - ie I have awarded you 2 points for this and 2 points for that . But on some of the discripters ie the continence I got zero so would this then sway them ?

    My friend took me but was unable to park so dropped me right outside of the centre doors . I would have informed them of this . Unfortunately she has work on Friday and so is still unable to actully come in with me and I donít have anyone else I can take . She starts work at 9.00 so is going to drop me off again but I will have to try and find someone else to come and collect me . If not then Iím not quite sure what Iím going to do as I canít cope with public transport . This is just another part of the process which is getting me down . She took the day off on Tuesday to do this with me and canít possibly take another day off again .

    Iím just worried Tuesday will go against me as it was cancelled . Will the receptionist make a note that I was distressed due to the environment and she rescheduled or will that class as I rescheduled and no note wrote down

    Thankyou for your replies
    Originally posted by Daisy2017
    You can take you PIP ssessment letter with you, if you want. They do use PIP awards as evidence for ESA now but it all depends on where you scored those points. For EG if a person claimed Enhanced mobility PIP then they can use this for their ESA claim. I'm unsure about anything else.

    As for the recepetionist noting down how stressed you were the other day, i highly doubt they would have done this.

    As you say your friend is dropping you off i have no idea if this will go against you. It would have been much better if someone could actually go into the assessment room with you, or at least wait in the waiting area for you to come back out.

    All you can do really is answer those questions with as much detail as possible and hopefully everything will go in your favour. You can ring DWP a few days after and ask for a copy of the assessment report. This will give you some idea what the decision will be as mostly they go with that report. Good luck and hopefully this time your assessment will go ahead.
    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 6th Dec 17, 3:50 PM
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    Thanks again poppy

    I have asked someone else to come with me but because they donít actually care for me or my needs they have said they will wait in the waiting room .

    My pup discripters and points were :
    *You need prompting from another person to prepare or cook a simple meal 2
    * you need prompting or assistance to manage your health condition 1
    * you need supervision or prompting to wash or bath 2
    * you need aid or appliance to manage toilet needs or incontinence 2
    * you need prompting or assistance to choose AirPrint clothing etc 2
    * you need prompting from other people to engage with other people 2
    * you need help with complex budgeting decision 2
    * you need prompting from another person to avoid causing mental distress 4

    Got nothing for : Aís not part of condition

    *Moving around
    *You can eat and drink unaided
    *You can understand and express verbal communication
    *You can read basic and complex information
    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 8th Dec 17, 9:57 AM
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    So back from my assessment ....

    Unfortunately had an accident on way there so left a wet seat in waiting room which I informed the assessor about she said they would sort it and put some paper towelling down on my chair in the assessment room .

    She asked how I got there today and I said my friend had bought me .

    She asked how long the journey was ? I said I didnít know maybe 10-15 minutes ?

    She then just asked me a load of questions which was already covered in my form ??

    She told me the tablets I take and I replied I had forgot to bring them .

    She asked about my suicide and self harming and asked when the last time was and how often I think about i replies truthfully and told her every day ... she asked how I self harmed and I said I cut myself but my carer keeps it all away from me .

    She asked if my carer worked for an agency

    She asked about my washing and dressing and eating etc which I said my carer ensures I do otherwise wouldnít get done

    She asked who I live with and I said alone but my carer stays often

    I gave her copies of my doctors letter to say a carer stays over and a copy of my pip award points


    She said she think she had enough information and to go sit back in the waiting room while she phones senior people and would let me know if I could go . She checked the waiting room was empty and then showed me where the toilet was without me asking for it

    She then came out and said I could go

    Iím not entirely sure how it went to be honest but will ring dwp Monday and ask for a copy of the report . Does anyone know the number I have to call ?

    Waiting game commences

    She
    • sandra1980123
    • By sandra1980123 8th Dec 17, 2:34 PM
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    At least it's over and done with now,don't take this as gospel but usually when they talk to their supervisors that means support group,did she not say how long for decision.
    • Daisy2017
    • By Daisy2017 8th Dec 17, 4:18 PM
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    No she didnít say anything about the decision .

    I thought the Dwp make the decision from her report and she just writes the report . I have read in lots of places on the internet that the assessor doesnít make the decision ?? The decision maker does based on evidence and her report . Can she put in her report that she thinks I should be in support group as I thought she could only write a report on how she sees my disabilities effecting me ?? As you can see Iím not very clear how this all works .. it just entails stress and worry but like you said at least itís over with now . Just the last bit of stress waiting for the decision

    Thankyou Sandra
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