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    • HelloDolly86
    • By HelloDolly86 3rd Dec 17, 10:46 AM
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    Dishwasher Help!
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 10:46 AM
    Dishwasher Help! 3rd Dec 17 at 10:46 AM
    I have absolutely no idea if this is the right sight or even forum but I thought it would be a worth a shot or at least someone could give me some knowledgeable advice!

    I have had a dishwasher for years, I never used it. It was here in the house when I got it. My electricity bills are sky high,not to mention my water bill. The following questions I really need guidance towards:

    -I know that dishwashers do not have a external plug socket so it means that the electricity is constantly being used on the dishwasher even if I don’t use it! So how would I stop the electricity from going to the appliance? Would I have to get someone in for it?
    -if the electricity is constantly going to the appliance is this why my electric bill is so high?
    -I also want to sell the dishwasher, where would I go to sell it? Has anyone ever sold there’s? Are there specialist shops for second hand washers like a buy and collect thing?

    Thankyou so much! I’m a young property owner who doesn’t have family to ask for advise towards this situation so any help would be much appreciated!, there’s only so much google can teach me!
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    • gardner1
    • By gardner1 3rd Dec 17, 10:49 AM
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    It won't use any electricity
    • Robin9
    • By Robin9 3rd Dec 17, 10:58 AM
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 10:58 AM
    My electricity bills are sky high,not to mention my water bill.
    Originally posted by HelloDolly86
    Sky high to some is low to others. What is your annual consumption in kWH not £; what is your tariff. Re water are you on a meter or do you pay be rateable value?

    PS Your dishwasher is easily disconnected DIY with common sense. It has a simple water feed but may be wired into a wall outlet rather than a socket - switch off at the mains before you do anything. But whether its worth anything is a different matter.
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    • cajef
    • By cajef 3rd Dec 17, 11:20 AM
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    If the dishwasher is not being used it is not using any electricity and most are plugged into a normal socket.
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    • chiny
    • By chiny 3rd Dec 17, 12:06 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 12:06 PM
    You'd have to be extra careful in washing up to use less water by hand washing (rather than a dishwasher). It might be possible but it would be difficult and your savings would be blown by a moment's inattention when your mobile squeaked, doorbell rang, OH spoke... Not a MSE issue unless you are metered, although your eco-conscience might be pricked.

    Incidentally, many devices do use power when apparently switched off, although this use is almost-but-not-quite vanishingly small.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 3rd Dec 17, 12:43 PM
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    Websites like Freecycle regularly have dishwashers being given away.... that might give you an idea of the second hand value if you do want to sell (i.e. virtually nil), plus an option if you decide you really want to get rid of it.

    However, one of the selling points of dishwashers is they can - in the right circumstances - use less water and energy than washing up by hand.

    You probably don't realise how much water and energy you are using if you wash up as you go, especially if you use hot water to rinse. If you don't consider it essential to wash up as you go (i.e. you don't mind waiting until the dishwasher is full before using it) then you are likely to save money by using the dishwasher.

    Do you know if it actually works? Why not give it a test run - don't bother buying detergent tablets - just to see if it works. Perhaps then try using it for a month and see if you notice any difference on your electricity bill?
    Last edited by EachPenny; 03-12-2017 at 12:44 PM. Reason: Typo
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 3rd Dec 17, 12:55 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 12:55 PM
    If you do use a dishwasher you will find just how clean and sparkling glassware can be; almost impossible to achieve the same results by handwashing without multiple changes of water and drying clothes.
    • firefox1956
    • By firefox1956 3rd Dec 17, 1:08 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 1:08 PM
    My daughter got herself a dishwasher & her metered water bill has dropped by nearly £5.00 per month since fitting it.
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    • Robin9
    • By Robin9 3rd Dec 17, 1:26 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 1:26 PM
    I encourage my 95 yo MIL to use her dishwasher - it has a hotter cycle than she can handle.

    PS Don't bother with Dishwasher tablets.
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    • Boxman
    • By Boxman 3rd Dec 17, 1:40 PM
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    PS Don't bother with Dishwasher tablets.
    Originally posted by Robin9

    Do please elaborate.
    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 3rd Dec 17, 1:44 PM
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    If you wash up several times a day, you are probably running the hot tap until it runs hot thus wasting the water that you've run-off. It also leaves the same amount of hot water sitting in the pipework to get cold so wasting the energy that you paid for getting it hot.

    As others have said if you run the dishwasher every couple or three days with full loads - not half empty then you'll probably save both water and electricity and have cleaner dishes as well.

    It wouldn't be all that difficult to try a week or a fortnight of daily meter readings (both water and leccy) with washing up conventionally and then using the dishwasher to see if there is any difference. You could easily save twenty minutes or more a day which will also have some value (unless you actually enjoy washing up)

    I doubt a s/h dishwasher is worth much, you might have to pay to get it taken away.
    Last edited by matelodave; 03-12-2017 at 1:51 PM.
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    • Robin9
    • By Robin9 3rd Dec 17, 1:46 PM
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    We used to use the standard tablet that would be released automatically during the cycle. However this broke and we chucked a tablet in during the cycle.

    Sometimes we forgot to add a tablet and when we took the dishes out we found that they were clean.

    If the dishes were badly soiled then perhaps a tablet will help; but generally our experience is no. Even we when badly soiled we use a supermarket own brand.
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    • Boxman
    • By Boxman 3rd Dec 17, 2:05 PM
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    Interesting, thanks
    • macman
    • By macman 3rd Dec 17, 2:18 PM
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    When it's off, it uses nothing, whether it's plugged in or hard wired to an FCU. The cost in electricity per cycle is a few pence, and the water cost will be about the same as flushing your WC (zero unless you are metered).
    The secondhand value of an old dishwasher is the same as an old washing machine-zero.
    If your electricity bills are high, it's more than likely due to the way you heat and hot water the property. Post some proper info, along with your annual usage in kWh's, and advice can be given.
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    • ASavvyBuyer
    • By ASavvyBuyer 3rd Dec 17, 2:33 PM
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    When it's off, it uses nothing, whether it's plugged in or hard wired to an FCU.
    Originally posted by macman
    Not quite correct if it has touch controls; they always use a bit of power all the time to detect when you touch them. Some models of dishwasher constantly use up to 10 watts of power just to keep the touch controls active. We always switch ours off at the wall socket when it is not being used.
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    • Lizabeth21
    • By Lizabeth21 3rd Dec 17, 3:27 PM
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    We used to use the standard tablet that would be released automatically during the cycle. However this broke and we chucked a tablet in during the cycle.

    Sometimes we forgot to add a tablet and when we took the dishes out we found that they were clean.

    If the dishes were badly soiled then perhaps a tablet will help; but generally our experience is no. Even we when badly soiled we use a supermarket own brand.
    Originally posted by Robin9

    Definitely going to test this, thanks.
    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 3rd Dec 17, 3:31 PM
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    Not quite correct if it has touch controls; they always use a bit of power all the time to detect when you touch them. Some models of dishwasher constantly use up to 10 watts of power just to keep the touch controls active. We always switch ours off at the wall socket when it is not being used.
    Originally posted by ASavvyBuyer
    All our appliances get shut off at the wall when not in use - including the cooker & microwave, both of which have touch controls. It's quite surprising how much some stuff takes when sitting on standby.

    We had electric reclining chairs which chewed their way through 360 watt/hrs a day each when just plugged in - thats over £30 a year
    Last edited by matelodave; 03-12-2017 at 3:34 PM.
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    • macman
    • By macman 3rd Dec 17, 3:46 PM
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    Not quite correct if it has touch controls; they always use a bit of power all the time to detect when you touch them. Some models of dishwasher constantly use up to 10 watts of power just to keep the touch controls active. We always switch ours off at the wall socket when it is not being used.
    Originally posted by ASavvyBuyer
    I doubt if a years -old d/w has touch sensitive controls. But even if it does, at a constant 10W, it will cost about £9 a year. So I don't think that will be the cause of the OP's 'sky high' bills.
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    • cajef
    • By cajef 3rd Dec 17, 3:49 PM
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    We had electric reclining chairs which chewed their way through 360 watt/hrs a day each when just plugged in - thats over £30 a year
    Originally posted by matelodave
    Ours don't, they are switched off at the wall when not in use.
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    • AndyCF
    • By AndyCF 3rd Dec 17, 4:35 PM
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    Do they not have some kind of 'standby' mode ? I've never had one or really looked at one. I'm just thinking the "tv on standby vs unplugged" situation, although I realise even if it did it would only be a few mA being used at most.

    If its not being used at all, then there might be a switched spur I guess or (hopefully!) a fused spur at least for it.
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