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    • wiggywoo9
    • By wiggywoo9 2nd Dec 17, 8:24 PM
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    Landlord wants tenant to fit a kitchen?
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    • 2nd Dec 17, 8:24 PM
    Landlord wants tenant to fit a kitchen? 2nd Dec 17 at 8:24 PM
    Hi all,

    So I'm currently looking to rent a house. I currently live in a HA flat and want something better for my son. I've found this house in a very nice area, very good schools, lovely garden, accepts pets and children. Bit more expensive than I was hoping to pay but not at the top end yet. And a big plus is long-term let so not upheaval. However! Called the estate agent and she says it's been on the market a while, last tenant was an elderly lady who sadly died. She said the kitchen has no cupboards and pretty bare. The landlord is hoping the new tenant will make it a long-term home but expects them to fit the kitchen in, offering 1 month free rent is they do so. Apparently tenants used to do this in the past.

    OK! So that's a pretty tall order- don't want to lose a good place that otherwise ticks all the boxes- what would you do??
    Up and onwards to the future!

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    • Ms Chocaholic
    • By Ms Chocaholic 2nd Dec 17, 8:29 PM
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    I'd stay in the HA property and try and get a transfer; you will have no security of tenure in the new place.
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    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 2nd Dec 17, 8:32 PM
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    I’d walk.

    Can’t you do a swap with the HA?

    I know a little of your story & personally I think you don’t need or deserve this hassle?
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    • By patman99 2nd Dec 17, 8:32 PM
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    Depends on how much the rent is.

    Could you get some contractor wall units from a wholesaler and simply buy matching doors and draw fronts for less than 1 month's rent?. If so, then go for it.
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    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 2nd Dec 17, 8:32 PM
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    If you have a HA flat think very very carefully about giving up your security for the hazards of private renting.

    It’s not at all normal or acceptable for a landlord to expect a tenant to fit a kitchen (unless perhaps she’s going to give you a 15 year tenancy to guarantee you’ll get the use of it, but I don’t see that happening) but other landlords won’t treat you much better.
    • martinthebandit
    • By martinthebandit 2nd Dec 17, 8:32 PM
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    Personally, if the price and area are right I’d be tempted to fit a kitchen, but I’d buy it second hand probably from eBay and fit it myself.

    Or go retro with something like this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1940-50-s-Kitchen-larder-Unit-/152811718761
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    • Slithery
    • By Slithery 2nd Dec 17, 8:36 PM
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    Fit the kitchen, or supply and fit the kitchen?

    If the former then personally I'd do it for a free months rent but then I have experience in fitting kitchens.

    But no, this isn't a usual thing to ask of tenants at all.
    • 00ec25
    • By 00ec25 2nd Dec 17, 8:38 PM
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    rather depends on who is doing the fitting?

    as a LL there is no way I'd let a tenant fit a kitchen unless the tenant was a kitchen fitter by trade. I'd expect to get a reasonable time out of a new kitchen and I doubt an "ordinary" tenant could (or would) do it well enough to ensure that

    if the LL expects you to pay for the fitting you are going to get a shock at the size of the bill

    if the LL "merely" expects you to be living there rent free whilst ano fits a kitchen then why? that makes no sense, move in after the work is done
    • VintageHistorian
    • By VintageHistorian 2nd Dec 17, 8:41 PM
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    What else would the landlord want you to replace during your tenancy? The boiler? All the carpets? The roof? Sounds like you're opening yourself up to a huge amount of future hassle with a landlord that can and will say "if you don't replace xyz yourself then I'll issue a section 21".
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    • HampshireH
    • By HampshireH 2nd Dec 17, 8:58 PM
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    Unless your rent is high it won't cover the cost of supply and fitting a fully functioning kitchen which will last for its general life expectancy.

    I think the 'LL has a nerve to be honest. This is their asset. They should be maintaining it and letting it fit for purpose.
    • HampshireH
    • By HampshireH 2nd Dec 17, 9:00 PM
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    Do you have a link to the rightmove ad so we can see what the current kitchen looks like and whether it ia salvagable?

    I expect this request is the reason it is still on the market.
    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 2nd Dec 17, 9:00 PM
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    Whilst the landlord might be advertising a long term let the reality is that you won’t havd much more than 6-12 months security with an AST. I think you’d be hard push to supply and fit a kitchen for the price of one month’s rent...even a second hand one. I also wonder what you would be expected to repair or replace next.
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    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 2nd Dec 17, 9:04 PM
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    This definitely sounds like a landlord who can't afford to be one.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 2nd Dec 17, 9:25 PM
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    This definitely sounds like a landlord who can't afford to be one.
    Originally posted by Red-Squirrel
    Or shouldn’t be one
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    • Sarastro
    • By Sarastro 2nd Dec 17, 9:27 PM
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    What's the most important thing to you? If it is security, then I would struggle to say this sounds like a good way forward - better to get a different HA place or wait until something better comes along.

    If you really want to do the move though, I'd go back with a counter-offer. The LL should appreciate that you will need to get your money's worth out of the kitchen so should offer a longer term (which is what they've said they want anyway) or more than one month's rent. You might be able to get a better deal than what is being offered. Sounds to me as if LL just wants to get it rented out asap.

    If you do negotiate a deal be really careful about the standard of kitchen, how much it's going to cost, who is going to do the fitting, who will be responsible if there's a problem with the fitting and all that stuff. Is there a gas supply, if not who will pay if you want one, blah blah.

    It is unusual in this country, but completely common in Germany where you will nearly always rent a flat without much of a kitchen at all, and you fit your own. You also probably take it with you when you move.
    • aaroncaz
    • By aaroncaz 2nd Dec 17, 9:33 PM
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    Don't give up the HA........you will regret it. I know as I speak from experience, worse thing I ever did.
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 2nd Dec 17, 10:46 PM
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    A landlord who can't even bother to sort out the basics - walk away.
    • G_M
    • By G_M 2nd Dec 17, 10:59 PM
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    The key questions to ask yourself are:

    1) how much is 1 months rent (ie how much is the landlord 'paying' you for this)?

    2) how much will it cost you to
    a) supply the kitchen (or is the LL supplying and just wants tenant to fit?)?
    b) fit the kitchen (can you DIY or need to pay a kitcen fitter?)?

    3) how long is the tenancy being offered? No point investing your time & money for 6 months contract. I'd expect 3 years or more (which requires the contract to be Executed as a Deed).

    Once you've answered those, and done the maths, then consider

    4) how much better is this place than where you are?

    5) is it worth losing the security, and reduced rent, of a HA?
    Last edited by G_M; 03-12-2017 at 11:43 AM.
    • Cakeguts
    • By Cakeguts 3rd Dec 17, 12:28 AM
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    Good landlords do not get their tenants to fit their own kitchens. So this landlord is someone that it would not be a good idea to rent from.

    Your HA flat is yours for as long as you want it for. This landlord could call 12 months a long term rental. Anyone who would expect a tenant to fit a kitchen could think anything.

    The house is expensive and you have to fit your own kitchen? This is not a good rental for someone who needs a lot term let and low rent. Stay where you are.
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 3rd Dec 17, 12:59 AM
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    Having live in both social housing and private rental, I would not voluntarily move to private rental again. Where I am (social housing) yes its difficult to get repairs done but its different to knowing repairs will not be done. I was in my private rental 4 years, central heating broke down several times a year, the place was freezing and lots of promises from LL to replace if x y or z happened. They did, it still didn't get replaced. The place was very badly done (by a bad DIY person), the LL did nothing about electrics that didn't work properly, a hole in the ceiling, holes in the roof etc.

    Then for two years he told me he wanted to sell, I had to do viewings, lots of stress and finally he evicted me. I had no where to go. You really really don't want to face that.

    In your situation, as others have suggested I would try to find a HA swap of some sort. Please consider very carefully giving up the security of tenure you have. Private LL's (if you have a bad one) can get away with too much, in spite of legislation. I can't portray how much stress mine caused, trying to push things with me. Again, as has been said, this LL hardly sounds like one of the best. And you have only been told about the kitchen, what about other things that might be wrong in the property you don't know about? Try putting in a false ceiling (as I had to) because the last one fell in and the LL refused to do anything about it (Environmental Health were useless). I had to because my young son (who has ASD) was terrified of insects coming in the black hole (it fell in because of damp). Not pleasant to deal with.
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