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    • stef0578
    • By stef0578 1st Dec 17, 9:31 PM
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    Convenience Store Responsibility of Customer Parking
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    • 1st Dec 17, 9:31 PM
    Convenience Store Responsibility of Customer Parking 1st Dec 17 at 9:31 PM
    Hi all, I'm looking for a bit of advice, please.
    We have recently moved into a little village where there's only one convenience store (franchise) that the villagers rely on for supplies before driving to the nearest supermarket 5 miles away, located right next to my house. They have no customer parking.
    Since moving here we have faced lots of problems with customers parking and blocking our driveway even at 6.30am when I'm leaving for work.
    We have spoken to the shop owner about it who said that they would remind customers not to block our driveway. However, so far we didn't notice any efforts on their part. We have therefore placed road-cones to manage this issue as best as possible.
    My husband had to point out to a lady that she was obstructing our driveway and that it is illegal to do so. She did not like this and has now taken it upon herself to make our lives miserable by picking up our road- cones and chucking them onto the drive, every time she shops here (which is every day and we now have camera footage of this), setting off our dogs barking.
    My questions:
    1- would you think/ believe/ know if the owner of the shop has a responsibility to watch out for customers parking that cause nuisance to the village residence?
    2- how would you deal with such "lady" to stop her with this harassment?
    Any advice is appreciated.
    Thank you!
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    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 1st Dec 17, 9:49 PM
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    I don't believe the shopkeeper has any responsibility for the behaviour of his customers.

    Are these people parking on the public highway or on your property?
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    • Unicorn51
    • By Unicorn51 1st Dec 17, 10:02 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 10:02 PM
    http://www.kentlive.news/news/motoring/what-you-can-legally-someone-478142

    This article contains most of your answers.
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 1st Dec 17, 10:04 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 10:04 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 10:04 PM
    No the shopkeeper has no responsibility for the customers.

    Have you tried speaking to the council ?
    Your local MP even ?
    Can people stop loaning money/being a guarator to family/friends, it rarely ends well and you lose out as your money is gone or you get shafted with being a guarantor.
    • gardner1
    • By gardner1 1st Dec 17, 10:16 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 10:16 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 10:16 PM
    Get your car and friends car.......and block her in
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 1st Dec 17, 10:19 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 10:19 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 10:19 PM
    Every village has an idiot

    Just park your car where she does
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    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 2nd Dec 17, 8:54 AM
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    • 2nd Dec 17, 8:54 AM
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    • 2nd Dec 17, 8:54 AM
    OP you refer to your drive, just to be clear you do have a dropped kerb onto the road don't you?
    • stef0578
    • By stef0578 2nd Dec 17, 9:05 AM
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    • 2nd Dec 17, 9:05 AM
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    • 2nd Dec 17, 9:05 AM
    People park on the road blocking my drive, which has a dripped curb.
    • stef0578
    • By stef0578 2nd Dec 17, 9:10 AM
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    • 2nd Dec 17, 9:10 AM
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    • 2nd Dec 17, 9:10 AM
    The council is not interested.
    We have a dropped kerb and they feel this is enough and no further input from them.
    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 2nd Dec 17, 9:14 AM
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    Ask (pay) the Council to pay a H-bar across the end of the drive-way that is a visual reminder not to park across the drive?

    Or simply park one of your own cars in that exact spot!
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    • stef0578
    • By stef0578 2nd Dec 17, 9:28 AM
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    I have asked for the council to put a H bar but they refused on three grounds that we have a dropped kerb
    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 2nd Dec 17, 9:32 AM
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    I have asked for the council to put a H bar but they refused on three grounds that we have a dropped kerb
    Originally posted by stef0578
    Go back and ask again, as that simply doesn't make sense. The H-Bar signifies access to a drive, for which you'd need a dropped kerb; you wouldn't get an H-bar if you didn't have a dropped kerb.

    From my council's website:

    H bar markings are white lines that are marked on the road in-front of access areas. The lines highlight to other road users that they shouldn't block access to off-road parking areas such as driveways and garages.
    Going to become Mrs Marleyboy for real

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    • stef0578
    • By stef0578 2nd Dec 17, 9:39 AM
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    Thank you. I shall try again and this time involve the local MP as well. Hopefully something will get sorted.
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 2nd Dec 17, 10:09 AM
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    Which council?

    https://www.spelthorne.gov.uk/dropped-kerbs
    Life's for living, get on with it rather than worrying about these. If they hassle, counter claim.

    Send them that costs schedule though, 24 hours before the hearing, and file it with the court. Take with you evidence that you have sent the costs schedule to them and when.
    LoC
    • stef0578
    • By stef0578 2nd Dec 17, 10:11 AM
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    We fall under the Guildford council. Thank you.
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 2nd Dec 17, 11:06 AM
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    Are Guildford the council you asked or did you approach Surrey CC who are the highway authority?
    Life's for living, get on with it rather than worrying about these. If they hassle, counter claim.

    Send them that costs schedule though, 24 hours before the hearing, and file it with the court. Take with you evidence that you have sent the costs schedule to them and when.
    LoC
    • Unicorn51
    • By Unicorn51 2nd Dec 17, 11:17 AM
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    https://www.surreycc.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/parking/parking-restrictions-and-controls/access-protection-markings-h-bars

    They won't install h-bars if you already have a dropped kerb.
    • stef0578
    • By stef0578 2nd Dec 17, 11:47 AM
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    We asked the council via their online application. But they won't help.
    We have contacted both council and highway authority
    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 2nd Dec 17, 11:51 AM
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    Wow. That just seems crazy. A white H-bar is so easy to see when visibility is limited (such as darkness) when you might need to park up and get out a rule to determine a dropped kerb.
    Going to become Mrs Marleyboy for real

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    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 2nd Dec 17, 11:55 AM
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    Isn't parking by a dropped kerb an offence?
    Do you have a mobile phone with camera?
    Take photo of offending car, and take in to local police station.

    or

    How steady is your hand?
    Do you have white paint?
    Can you draw an H-Bar?
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