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    • bluenun
    • By bluenun 1st Dec 17, 11:05 AM
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    Anyone here on ESA and doing permitted work?
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    • 1st Dec 17, 11:05 AM
    Anyone here on ESA and doing permitted work? 1st Dec 17 at 11:05 AM
    Hello,

    I am on ESA, have been volunteering 1 day a week and next year would like to get some permitted work. So I would like to apply for a job and work either 8 or 16 hours a week.

    I was given a PW1ESA form at the job centre and read it when I got home.

    There is a questionnaire that needs to be filled in and posted to the address on top of my letters. Not to the local job centre plus.

    I worry about doing that because in my experience when I used to post my medical certificates they were never scanned in by them.
    I had to keep chasing them and they were usually found sitting on a desk.
    I can see this causing me a lot of stress and at a later date being called to see a compliance officer if the paperwork I send in gets lost.
    Ultimately I would like to get work and sign off because I feel that's what they really want.

    I would be grateful to hear of the experiences of those that have done or do permitted work.
    Do you need to send in the form/questionnaire every week?
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    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 1st Dec 17, 1:52 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 1:52 PM
    If you're concerned about posting the completed form you can phone and make an appointment to take it into your local Job Centre. Dpn't just turn up there as most won't see you on a walk-in basis.
    • bluenun
    • By bluenun 1st Dec 17, 3:45 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 3:45 PM
    That is my main concern yes.

    On the form I was given yesterday is has in bold type,

    "Please don't take this questionnaire into your job centre plus office.

    Post it to the address on top of any ESA letter we have sent you."

    Also wondered if the form/questionnaire needed to be sent in every week?
    • Chrysalis
    • By Chrysalis 1st Dec 17, 3:47 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 3:47 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 3:47 PM
    Make a copy before sending, and send recorded/tracked. Keep notes on when you send.

    I understand your anxiety over this, the whole permitted work thing is a mine field.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 1st Dec 17, 4:09 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 4:09 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 4:09 PM
    In general, sending a letter recorded/tracked is a waste of money. All it proves is that it was received at one of the central sorting locations, not that it has got through to the processing office.
    • Chrysalis
    • By Chrysalis 1st Dec 17, 4:30 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 4:30 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 4:30 PM
    the cost is a pittance, and the hassle it can save is invaluable.

    You only need to prove you sent it, not that they opened and read it.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 1st Dec 17, 5:28 PM
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    You only need to prove you sent it, not that they opened and read it.
    Originally posted by Chrysalis
    There is little or no value in being about to prove that you sent the form back if it doesn't get to where it is to be processed. I accept that there might be a useful purpose if it is a document which has to be returned by a specific date, but otherwise???
    • WillowCat
    • By WillowCat 1st Dec 17, 6:28 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 6:28 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 6:28 PM
    To answer the other question, no it does not need to be sent in every week, just once before you start.

    You should in fact get an acknowledgement from the DWP which will also indicate whether they are accepting the work as permitted work.
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 1st Dec 17, 6:58 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 6:58 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 6:58 PM
    the cost is a pittance, and the hassle it can save is invaluable.

    You only need to prove you sent it, not that they opened and read it.
    Originally posted by Chrysalis
    A proof of posting certificate is free and does what you describe.

    Recorded Delivery is £1.10 in addition to normal postage (which should be covered by the prepaid envelope). For many on benefits that is not a pittance. You shouldn't be so presumptuous about someone else's financial situation.
    • tazwhoever
    • By tazwhoever 1st Dec 17, 7:16 PM
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    the cost is a pittance, and the hassle it can save is invaluable.

    You only need to prove you sent it, not that they opened and read it.
    Originally posted by Chrysalis
    I agree with you, getting a signature at destination is the key thing which special delivery provides. Recorded delivery sometimes doesn't provide that as it goes with normal post. Certificate of posting is free but that doesn't prove it got to destination.

    I also send mine by special delivery.
    • bluenun
    • By bluenun 1st Dec 17, 7:49 PM
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    Thank-you all for the replies.

    It is a worry.

    So it is just sent in once at the beginning of the hopeful job I may be able to get. Then I make a copy, post the original to where it is supposed to go, hope they get it and hope they accept it as permitted work.
    I think for £1.10 I would post it recorded delivery, scan and print the envelope too.

    I suppose if they decide the work is not permitted then I would have to pay back any earnings or the benefit I had received.

    My ultimate goal is to get off ESA completely, my mental health is worse and I feel much more stressed than when I was living off my savings until they dropped below 6k.
    • Chrysalis
    • By Chrysalis 2nd Dec 17, 1:20 AM
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    A proof of posting certificate is free and does what you describe.

    Recorded Delivery is £1.10 in addition to normal postage (which should be covered by the prepaid envelope). For many on benefits that is not a pittance. You shouldn't be so presumptuous about someone else's financial situation.
    Originally posted by IAmWales
    it is a pittance compared to losing the benefit.

    £1.10 vs losing £70+ a week.

    By the way I have spent a lot of years on benefits, so I am talking from experience.

    Not spending £1.10 because you think you been clever with money saving so you dont have proof of postage is just silly. Please stop giving the OP bad advice.

    Saving money always has to be done intelligently, advocating some to never ever spend without thinking of the repercussions is not sound advice.
    • Chrysalis
    • By Chrysalis 2nd Dec 17, 1:23 AM
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    I agree with you, getting a signature at destination is the key thing which special delivery provides. Recorded delivery sometimes doesn't provide that as it goes with normal post. Certificate of posting is free but that doesn't prove it got to destination.

    I also send mine by special delivery.
    Originally posted by tazwhoever
    Been honest I have used special delivery at times as well, to send of things like appeal forms, as the consequences of those going missing is huge, normally recorded is enough, but recorded doesnt help if royal mail lose it and it doesnt arrive, whilst special delivery will help in that situation as its actually tracked en route and has delivery garuantuees.

    The DWP are known to cancel benefits for what seems very small petty things, they dont have a heart and if they have an opportunity to save money they will do it. One has to be very vigilant when dealing with them.
    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 2nd Dec 17, 9:29 AM
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    In no particular order....

    1. Send in the form before you start work - have you actually got the offer/promise of a job yet?
    The form can be used for either before you start a job or after you have started a job BUT it is not uncommon for ESA to be suspended if you send the form in after you have started working. No rules about this but can happen.
    If your job falls through then you would not have had any financial loss.

    2. Please read the rules carefully. You must work under 16 hrs and earn under a certain amount.

    3. Choose what ever method you wish to send the form but telephone to check they have received it.

    4. Have you discussed this with your work coach? Would be a good idea. Stress it is a way of testing if you are 'ready' for work.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 2nd Dec 17, 11:11 AM
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    2. Please read the rules carefully. You must work under 16 hrs and earn under a certain amount.
    Originally posted by pmlindyloo
    That one is absolutely critical. If you get a job working 16 hours per week you will lose your entitlement to ESA. As pmlindyloo put in bold type, it must be under 16 hours. 15 hours and 59 minutes would be absolutely OK, but not just one minute more.

    From the gov.uk website "If you do 'permitted work' it won't usually affect your ESA . It's permitted work if both the following apply: you earn up to £120 a week. you work less than 16 hours a week."
    • bluenun
    • By bluenun 3rd Dec 17, 1:37 PM
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    Thank-you all for the information.

    No I have not had an offer of work or applied for anything yet.
    I have been discussing it with my work coach at the last few meetings.
    She had given me a form telling me about permitted work.

    I was given the questionnaire the last time I visited the job centre.
    So I am planning and thinking ahead because I do not want to make any mistakes or errors and be penalised for them.

    So thanks for explaining everything to me.
    I had read the form many times but it did not sink in about "under 16 hours", lucky you told me because I was going to try and get 16 hours to start with, I think I will aim for 15 hours.
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