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    • Astrid D
    • By Astrid D 30th Nov 17, 12:05 PM
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    Waiting - a thing of the past?
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    • 30th Nov 17, 12:05 PM
    Waiting - a thing of the past? 30th Nov 17 at 12:05 PM
    Wanted to update folk on this brilliant forum re the perils of waiting in your car.

    I used the "how to appeal a private parking fine" recently for a Sunday fine for a food retailer and was successful.

    I used same process for an evening fine near Southampton's foot passenger ferry terminal - and got a raspberry so have paid (sorry to be feeble but far too much on my plate to faff with this further as no evidence in my defence except semantics).

    My issue? I often allow lots of time to travel between work meetings, to account for the varying levels of traffic on local motorways etc. This means I sometimes get to places early and have to wait somewhere. It appears that the old "if you don't get out of your car and just wait" definition of waiting doesn't apply if you abide by the law and apply handbrake and turn off engine to cease emissions. You're trapped all ways, even if you aren't in a formal parking bay, keeping out of the way of traffic in and out of the parking area etc etc. I get the fact that these firms expect us all to pay to park (ie leave your vehicle - Highway Code and AA definitions refer) but why should I pay to stay in my vehicle for a short period of time ...during which I could move it at any point if required?

    So beware of getting anywhere early and having to wait, unless you (unlike me) have a pocketful of loose change (oh yes, the machines don't like cards either and all too few allow for phone payments).

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    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 30th Nov 17, 12:24 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 12:24 PM
    I'm surprised you're surprised ... twas ever thus. As soon as the car is stationary (for more than, say, a minute) then it is parked. Whether the driver is in the vehicle or not, or whether the engine is running or not, the vehicle is parked.
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    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 30th Nov 17, 12:52 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 12:52 PM
    Not true DoaM

    Loading and unloading is NOT being parked
    Alighting and Boarding is NOT being parked

    This is obvious when looking at what you can and cannot do while a vehicle is stationary on DYL on a public road.
    • bertiewhite
    • By bertiewhite 30th Nov 17, 1:03 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 1:03 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 1:03 PM
    I'm sure there are plenty of other places to just wait in your vehicle for a while rather than a car park that is being run for profit? I'm thinking country lane, residential housing estate, waste land etc etc.

    Don't the places you have the meetings have car parks?
    • bergkamp
    • By bergkamp 30th Nov 17, 1:30 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 1:30 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 1:30 PM
    Wanted to update folk on this brilliant forum .....


    I used same process for an evening fine near Southampton's foot passenger ferry terminal - and got a raspberry so have paid (sorry to be feeble but far too much on my plate to faff with this further as no evidence in my defence except semantics).




    Tedious
    Originally posted by Astrid D

    You clearly don't take much in when you read this brilliant forum....
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 30th Nov 17, 2:01 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 2:01 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 2:01 PM
    You clearly don't take much in when you read this brilliant forum....
    Unfair Mr B. Not all OP's have the time to waste here as they have lives to lead. That reminds me .....
    Life's for living, get on with it rather than worrying about these. If they hassle, counter claim.

    Send them that costs schedule though, 24 hours before the hearing, and file it with the court. Take with you evidence that you have sent the costs schedule to them and when.
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    • bergkamp
    • By bergkamp 30th Nov 17, 2:39 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 2:39 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 2:39 PM
    Unfair Mr B. Not all OP's have the time to waste here as they have lives to lead. That reminds me .....
    Originally posted by IamEmanresu
    Indeed, but the OP does read the forum, they called it brilliant!

    The idea of handing money over to the PPC that rejected the appeal, to the invoice that the same PPC dished out...
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 30th Nov 17, 3:04 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 3:04 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 3:04 PM
    Not true DoaM

    Loading and unloading is NOT being parked
    Alighting and Boarding is NOT being parked

    This is obvious when looking at what you can and cannot do while a vehicle is stationary on DYL on a public road.
    Originally posted by nosferatu1001
    In the context of what's written in the OP my post is correct. The OP is talking about car parks, not DYLs. And such car parks most likely have ANPR cameras that record time on site not time parked.

    I agree that alighting and boarding is (probably) not parking. But then again such activities shouldn't take more than a minute or so ... if it takes longer (i.e. the driver is waiting for the passenger) then the vehicle is parked.
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    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 1st Dec 17, 11:05 AM
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    I again disagree. "parked" has a common meaning, and for a PPC to try to change this they must be ABSOLUTELY explciit. None are. In addition, by using DYL whcih have an absolutely well defined meaning in law on public roads, then again they must be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR if they are differing from this commonly known meaning.

    Assisted boarding and alighting takes as long as is necessary - I suggest you read some council ticket forums, i.e. pepipo, if you disagree, because you are factually wrong.
    • bertiewhite
    • By bertiewhite 4th Dec 17, 8:22 AM
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    Assisted boarding and alighting takes as long as is necessary
    Originally posted by nosferatu1001
    Indeed - but then you've got to ask why it's necessary to do this in a CAR PARK run for profit? There are many other places one can drop passengers off, surely?
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 4th Dec 17, 10:09 AM
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    Because that is the location closest to where the assistance is required?
    It still is not parking.
    • nigelbb
    • By nigelbb 4th Dec 17, 10:54 AM
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    I again disagree. "parked" has a common meaning, and for a PPC to try to change this they must be ABSOLUTELY explciit. None are. In addition, by using DYL whcih have an absolutely well defined meaning in law on public roads, then again they must be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR if they are differing from this commonly known meaning.

    Assisted boarding and alighting takes as long as is necessary - I suggest you read some council ticket forums, i.e. pepipo, if you disagree, because you are factually wrong.
    Originally posted by nosferatu1001
    Any time spent loading/unloading or alighting/disembarking would surely come within the grace periods defined by both private parking bodies.
    • bertiewhite
    • By bertiewhite 4th Dec 17, 11:00 AM
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    Because that is the location closest to where the assistance is required?
    Originally posted by nosferatu1001
    Oh come on, really? Shops/doctors surgeries/hairdressers etc. are not in the middle of a car park.
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