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    • Williewonthe
    • By Williewonthe 30th Nov 17, 4:08 AM
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    Marvel hotel Mandalay Myanmar (Burna) 30th Nov 17 at 4:08 AM
    If you value your safety, avoid this hotel.

    On the 16th of this month, at about 08.30, I and another member of my tour group were stuck in one of the hotel lifts.


    We pressed the Alarm –nothing happened. The circuit breaker had activated and so there was no power.
    The lift has a camera, that did not work – Why? No power.
    The hotel has a system for the automatic reporting of problems with the lifts – but that didn’t work because there was no power.

    In the UK hotels must have emergency systems independent of the main hotel power. A hotel I stay at in Liverpool has the lift alarm connected to the telephone system and an electrical circuit separate from the hotel’s main power circuit (in order, for example, to keep illuminated those small green Exit signs you find dotted about hotels to show you the safe way out, if the main power should fail).
    This hotel has no such ‘separate’ circuit. When I quizzed a manager about my experience, he said that this hotel only has its main electrical circuit, so if it fails...........


    Also (as related by our tour guide to me later) she asked Reception why the lift was stuck at a particular floor. All the person on reception did was shrug his/her shoulders and say that the power was out.


    Our guide then went towards the lift with the individual from reception and both could hear me banging on the lift door but the person from Reception did NOTHING.


    After 15 minutes we got out, because the power was restored and the doors opened – NOT because of any intervention by the hotel staff!!


    The hotel cannot claim that it is an old hotel and so it has old infrastructure. It was only opened in 2015!!


    I expect some readers will say “You can’t expect the same standards in Myanmar (Burma) as in the UK”. Why not? Do YOU want to stay in a hotel where, if there is an emergency and the main power is off, you probably can’t get out?


    Keep safe.
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    • PompeyPete
    • By PompeyPete 30th Nov 17, 6:56 AM
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    I think your final paragraph sort of sums it up. Me and the cook stayed at the Nylon Hotel in Mandalay, and I'm glad that it never had a lift to get stuck in.....reyt flea pit that was.
    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 30th Nov 17, 9:49 AM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 9:49 AM
    I expect some readers will say “You can’t expect the same standards in Myanmar (Burma) as in the UK”. Why not? Do YOU want to stay in a hotel where, if there is an emergency and the main power is off, you probably can’t get out?
    Originally posted by Williewonthe
    In an emergency one does not use the lifts. A good reason to avoid hotels that are so high that using the stairs is not feasible.
    • dickydonkin
    • By dickydonkin 30th Nov 17, 10:30 AM
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    In an emergency one does not use the lifts. A good reason to avoid hotels that are so high that using the stairs is not feasible.
    Originally posted by Voyager2002
    I think the OP was referring to an emergency situation relating to the actual lift - not using the lift in an emergency.

    Lifts also fail in the UK and indeed all over the world for various reasons, but if people go travelling and are selecting their destinations based on the height of buildings or other potential risks that may or may never evolve, I would suggest they stay at home.

    Yes, always be cautious when travelling, but expecting the same safety standards in some destinations abroad (particularly in a relatively new tourist destination such as Myanmar), is just unrealistic.
    • Williewonthe
    • By Williewonthe 30th Nov 17, 2:25 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 2:25 PM
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    Dickydonkin is right I was referring to other emergencies, not getting into a lift after an emergency situation has started.
    If, as we were, you are a part of an organised tour, you don't get any choice of the location of the hotels, let alone their height.
    Dickydonkin: Yes, I accept that lifts fail all over the world but there are usually separate systems to alert the hotel that you are stuck inside one. This hotel has no such system. At least the occurrence will get me fit. I intend to avoid lifts in the future, and take the stairs.
    I don't feel it is unrealistic to expect good safety standards. The hotel was only opened two years ago. It should have been designed to include safety features. The fact that it apparently wasn't points, for me, to incompetence by the architect or money-saving by the owners.
    Besides what about the member of the reception staff who, apart from shrugging his or her shoulders, did nothing even though they could hear me banging on the lift doors?
    • Westin
    • By Westin 30th Nov 17, 2:52 PM
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    What are you hoping to achieve at this time, now you are back from your trip?

    If you just wanted to share your experience and get things off your chest, then I think your post has hopefully achieved this. Hopefully you had other happier memories of your holiday. Time to move on.

    I’m not sure what else can be gained. In all honesty I would be surprised if many MSE readers will be considering travelling to Myanmar anytime soon, let along to this particular hotel. Whilst well intentioned I don’t think your warning to avoid this hotel will help many on here.

    Things just happen. Power cuts are frequent in some countries. Lifts stop working.

    Travel is an adventure....
    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 30th Nov 17, 3:52 PM
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    I don't feel it is unrealistic to expect good safety standards. The hotel was only opened two years ago. It should have been designed to include safety features. The fact that it apparently wasn't points, for me, to incompetence by the architect or money-saving by the owners.
    Besides what about the member of the reception staff who, apart from shrugging his or her shoulders, did nothing even though they could hear me banging on the lift doors?
    Originally posted by Williewonthe
    Personally, I do not think it realistic to expect high safety standards once one is outside the civilised world (ie the European Union). Part of the lack of acceptable safety standards would be the lack of any plan for when things go wrong: hence the receptionish simply shrugging when confronted with the situation, since he was not aware of anything that he could do.

    As Grenfell Tower shows, this kind of thing can be found uncomfortably close to home -- and BREXIT can only make matters worse.
    • blindman
    • By blindman 30th Nov 17, 4:27 PM
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    What are you hoping to achieve at this time, now you are back from your trip?

    If you just wanted to share your experience and get things off your chest, then I think your post has hopefully achieved this. Hopefully you had other happier memories of your holiday. Time to move on.

    I’m not sure what else can be gained. In all honesty I would be surprised if many MSE readers will be considering travelling to Myanmar anytime soon, let along to this particular hotel. Whilst well intentioned I don’t think your warning to avoid this hotel will help many on here.

    Things just happen. Power cuts are frequent in some countries. Lifts stop working.

    Travel is an adventure....
    Originally posted by Westin
    I'm planning for sometime next year.
    • Westin
    • By Westin 30th Nov 17, 5:00 PM
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    I'm planning for sometime next year.
    Originally posted by blindman


    Avoid this hotel then. Apparently the lifts can stop if there is a power cut.
    • PompeyPete
    • By PompeyPete 30th Nov 17, 5:33 PM
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    The best way to visit Burma is independently. People who go with tour groups fly from A to B, B to C, and so on. They miss all the action on the ground in between destinations.

    We hired a taxi and driver/guide for a fortnight. He spoke excellent english and knew his country and hisory inside out. Our car was beat up right-hand drive Toyota Corolla, broken a/c, dodgy suspension. Started every day as fresh as a daisy, ended it with orange hair, orange face, orange clothes. Passed through hundreds of miles of beautiful countryside.

    Stayed in some interesting atmospheric accommodation, met some real people who were happy to talk freely about Burma without looking over their shoulder.

    Had a brilliant time, and are still in touch with our driver, who now has his own tour business, and a much new vehicle.
    Last edited by PompeyPete; 30-11-2017 at 5:36 PM.
    • Shimrod
    • By Shimrod 30th Nov 17, 10:34 PM
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    We hired a taxi and driver/guide for a fortnight. He spoke excellent english and knew his country and hisory inside out. Our car was beat up right-hand drive Toyota Corolla, broken a/c, dodgy suspension.
    Originally posted by PompeyPete
    We flew between our main locations (Yangon, Inle Lake, Mandalay and Bagan), but did take the 'fast' boat between Mandalay and Bagan. Certainly when travelling to countries such as this, lifts would come quite low down on my list of safety concerns - the odds of a car being roadworthy by UK standards are pretty low.

    For blindman, the Bagan King (in Mandalay) was a good hotel, and not too many stairs!
    • dickydonkin
    • By dickydonkin 30th Nov 17, 11:35 PM
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    As Grenfell Tower shows, this kind of thing can be found uncomfortably close to home -- and BREXIT can only make matters worse.
    Originally posted by Voyager2002
    That is a ridiculous statement - Such an assertion may be deemed by many as scaremongering from a bitter remoaner.

    With respect to Uk health and safety legislation, EU safety directives were enshrined into UK health and safety law and once the Brexit process has been completed, the legislation will still remain.

    We adapted our legislation to incorporate the EU directives and despite a degree of repetition with our own laws, they are now implemented regardless.

    I cannot speak for building regulations, but the cladding on Grenfell Towers was installed while we were still within the EU, so our membership of the EU sadly did nothing for the poor victims of the fire.

    There will always be elements in construction who will accept ‘incentives’ to keep costs down and circumvent legislation to line their own pockets to the detriment of the safety of people.

    There are robust laws out there - unfortunately, austerity has led to the reduction of the manpower to monitor and enforce the legislation that is there to protect all of us.

    Sadly, this governments priorities seem to be targeted to staying in power rather than focusing on ensuring legislation that is there to protect us is enforced.

    The irony of this thread is that someone raises concerns over a safety issue in a country on the other side of the world, but we still have people in the UK ridiculing our H&S legislation who are prepared to extol the virtues of our health and safety in the UK by suggesting that you should not expect the same safety standards abroad with what we have at home.

    In the UK, we have one of the best occupational safety records in the world - I fully expect that to be constant once Brexit is implemented.
    Last edited by dickydonkin; 30-11-2017 at 11:38 PM.
    • Williewonthe
    • By Williewonthe 1st Dec 17, 7:55 AM
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    A
    “Avoid this hotel then. Apparently the lifts can stop if there is a power cut.”
    Thank you for your sarcasm
    It’s obvious that “lifts (and other facilities) can stop if there is a power cut”.
    What I was driving at (as you well know) is that at that hotel, if the power goes off, there is no working mechanism for warning anyone of this.


    B
    “What are you hoping to achieve at this time,.?”
    To tell people about the possible dangers of staying at this hotel


    C
    “Travel is an adventure....”
    Being stuck in a lift, with no way to tell people ourselves –apart from banging on the doors - and when the guide warns a member of staff, that member of staff is incompetent IS NOT MY IDEA OF AN ADVENTURE.
    • PompeyPete
    • By PompeyPete 1st Dec 17, 8:30 AM
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    As Grenfell Tower shows, this kind of thing can be found uncomfortably close to home -- and BREXIT can only make matters worse.
    Originally posted by Voyager2002
    Stupid comment, I thought you were better than that.
    • blindman
    • By blindman 1st Dec 17, 11:13 AM
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    The best way to visit Burma is independently.

    Had a brilliant time, and are still in touch with our driver, who now has his own tour business, and a much new vehicle.
    Originally posted by PompeyPete
    We flew between our main locations (Yangon, Inle Lake, Mandalay and Bagan), but did take the 'fast' boat between Mandalay and Bagan.
    For blindman, the Bagan King (in Mandalay) was a good hotel, and not too many stairs!
    Originally posted by Shimrod
    Don't want to hijack this thread but did either of you put a trip report on TA or elsewhere?

    save me asking you a ton of Q's
    • jpsartre
    • By jpsartre 1st Dec 17, 11:16 AM
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    Do YOU want to stay in a hotel where, if there is an emergency and the main power is off, you probably can’t get out?
    Originally posted by Williewonthe
    You're right, better not travel. In fact, probably best to never leave the house unless absolutely necessary.
    • PompeyPete
    • By PompeyPete 1st Dec 17, 11:57 AM
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    Don't want to hijack this thread but did either of you put a trip report on TA or elsewhere?

    save me asking you a ton of Q's
    Originally posted by blindman
    Yep, both on TA and MSE. But it's 7 years since we were there. General stuff might not have changed much, but specifics will have.

    I can give you a nailed-on recommendation for an excellent english speaking driver/guide if you want, but I'm in Spain at the moment and the details are at home. I won't be back until the 13th of this month.

    He took us to Bago, Taungoo, Bagan, Mt Popa, Mandalay, Pwin oo Lwin, Kalaw, Inle Lake, and back to Rangoon.
    • Shimrod
    • By Shimrod 1st Dec 17, 12:54 PM
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    Don't want to hijack this thread but did either of you put a trip report on TA or elsewhere?

    save me asking you a ton of Q's
    Originally posted by blindman
    Neither, ask away! I was there in February/March this year
    • Williewonthe
    • By Williewonthe 2nd Dec 17, 4:37 AM
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    A friend of mine once said that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and the highest form of intelligence.
    You obviously disprove the accuracy of the second part of that statement.

    To those readers who are too intellectually challenged to recognise that I am trying to warn them of the potential dangers of staying at a particular hotel, I say: “Have a look at the words of Basil Fawlty to the assembled guests when he is trying to organise a fire drill”.

    As Smokey Robinson sang: ”I second that emotion”.
    • PompeyPete
    • By PompeyPete 2nd Dec 17, 8:23 AM
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    I've seen your review on TA.....that should cover a decently sized audience to get your message out.
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