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    • chris1200
    • By chris1200 27th Nov 17, 9:22 PM
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    Old Employer Wont Collect Their Property
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    • 27th Nov 17, 9:22 PM
    Old Employer Wont Collect Their Property 27th Nov 17 at 9:22 PM
    Weird one but here goes...
    I left my last job a month ago. I have stock worth close to £1000 in my garage which I have asked them continually to collect. I even offered to deliver it to them for the cost of my time and fuel. Each time I contact them they say they'll get it sorted but never have. I have now started a new job and I won't get home until late evening each day. I dont want anyone calling at my house at night and I don't want them calling at weekends either. Today I told them that I now have no idea when I'm going to be available for them to collect it as I now have a new job and there isn't anyone else at home to deal with it. They have had 4 weeks to get it collected, during which they could have called any time of the day. What on earth should I do?
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    • steampowered
    • By steampowered 27th Nov 17, 9:38 PM
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    I think you should be prepared to let them collect at an agreed time in the evening or at the weekend.

    It is not reasonable to refuse collection at the evenings or weekend, if you are also unable to let them collect during the day.

    You don't have to put yourself out but you do have to let them collect once they get their act together.
    • stuartJo1989
    • By stuartJo1989 27th Nov 17, 9:40 PM
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    Why don't you take the initiative and drive the stuff down to the office, dumping it inside (or just outside) reception? Then speak to the manager briefly, take some photographs and be on your way.

    That's what I'd do if it was cluttering up my garage.

    PS, you comment about not wanting them to call late night (reasonable) OR weekends (unreasonable) sort of hints the possibility that you want to be evasive here.... Maybe to punish the company? Some people with this mindset have also been known to want to keep the goods for their own personal use/resale.

    You have to be careful about what you do, though, as the company theoretically has up to 6 years to claim for the items (or cost) back by using small claims court (wait for a more experienced poster to rubber-stamp that though).

    The alternative to dumping it on their doorstep would be to write them a letter giving them maybe 30 or 60 days to remove said goods + stating your available times (don't be awkward and rule out weekends, and make some effort to try and accommodate weekdays + late evenings - it won't put you in good stead with a third party/small claims if you put up unnecessary blocks just to be awkward).
    • Derwent
    • By Derwent 27th Nov 17, 9:42 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 9:42 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 9:42 PM
    Start invoicing them for storage costs, that’ll get them moving. Some storage places charge between £40 and £50 a week.
    Its amazing how these banks can't even do simple calculations correctly..............
    • trailingspouse
    • By trailingspouse 27th Nov 17, 9:52 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 9:52 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 9:52 PM
    It's only been 4 weeks.

    Do you want to get rid of this stuff or don't you?

    Either let them come and pick the stuff up at the weekend, or take the stuff back yourself.

    You sound to me like you are being deliberately difficult. Why should they pay your time/fuel - you could have taken the stuff in with you on your last day at work.
    • chris1200
    • By chris1200 27th Nov 17, 9:56 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 9:56 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 9:56 PM
    Thanks guys
    I'm not really trying to be evasive but I am now totally irritated by the fact that I have done everything to return the items and they can't organise themselves to get it for the last 4 weeks. I certainly DON'T want the stuff for myself or to sell it for financial gain or any gain of any kind but I'm now at the stage where I just feel like being awkward to !!!! them off. I'm certainly not going to put myself out to accommodate them, that's for sure, and if it sits there for another 4 weeks because I'm not here to let them take it then so be it.
    • stuartJo1989
    • By stuartJo1989 27th Nov 17, 10:21 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 10:21 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 10:21 PM
    Thanks guys
    I'm not really trying to be evasive but I am now totally irritated by the fact that I have done everything to return the items and they can't organise themselves to get it for the last 4 weeks.
    Originally posted by chris1200

    *done everything EXCEPT drop the goods off at their reception

    I certainly DON'T want the stuff for myself or to sell it for financial gain or any gain of any kind but I'm now at the stage where I just feel like being awkward to !!!! them off.
    Yea, you didn't come across as someone who wanted to gain financially hence the deliberate wording of my post, BUT I'm happy to see that my radar was working on the "!!!! them off" point

    I'm certainly not going to put myself out to accommodate them, that's for sure, and if it sits there for another 4 weeks because I'm not here to let them take it then so be it.
    Yea, but ultimately the company can take you to small claims court to recover the cost.

    Do you think that anyone overseeing the case would be impressed to hear that, despite saying that you wanted to accommodate them, you were completely unavailable and unwilling to accommodate? You'll look like a clown.

    Just either drive the goods down there, or write a letter giving them 60 days to make suitable arrangements else you'll put them in a skip. Immediately follow the letter up with a recorded call for peace of mind.
    • chris1200
    • By chris1200 27th Nov 17, 10:32 PM
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    Do you think that anyone overseeing the case would be impressed to hear that, despite saying that you wanted to accommodate them, you were completely unavailable and unwilling to accommodate? You'll look like a clown.
    Originally posted by stuartJo1989
    They've had 4 weeks to collect it, I now have a new job that will take me away from home at times (perhaps for a week or more on many occasions) and could mean working very late when I'm here. I don't intend to be available or accommodate them if it means I have to change my own plans or affect my new job to do so. At the end of the day if I'm not here I'm not here and if I'm not available I'm not available.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 27th Nov 17, 11:54 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 11:54 PM
    They've had 4 weeks to collect it, I now have a new job that will take me away from home at times (perhaps for a week or more on many occasions) and could mean working very late when I'm here. I don't intend to be available or accommodate them if it means I have to change my own plans or affect my new job to do so. At the end of the day if I'm not here I'm not here and if I'm not available I'm not available.
    Originally posted by chris1200
    Fine, don't. But if they offer to come round at some point on a weekend or evening when you are there, why refuse?
    • paddedjohn
    • By paddedjohn 28th Nov 17, 10:23 AM
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    Send them an email/letter giving them 14 days to collect or you will start to invoice for storage.
    Be Alert..........Britain needs lerts.
    • trailingspouse
    • By trailingspouse 28th Nov 17, 11:38 AM
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    So what exactly do you want them to do?

    Because you don't want them to come and pick it up, and you don't want to take it to them (and even if they agreed to pay your fuel/time/wear and tear/Werther's Originals you don't have the time to do it anyway what with working away all week and late into the evening).
    • ReadingTim
    • By ReadingTim 28th Nov 17, 12:53 PM
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    Weird one but here goes...
    I left my last job a month ago. I have stock worth close to £1000 in my garage which I have asked them continually to collect. I even offered to deliver it to them for the cost of my time and fuel. Each time I contact them they say they'll get it sorted but never have. I have now started a new job and I won't get home until late evening each day. I dont want anyone calling at my house at night and I don't want them calling at weekends either. Today I told them that I now have no idea when I'm going to be available for them to collect it as I now have a new job and there isn't anyone else at home to deal with it. They have had 4 weeks to get it collected, during which they could have called any time of the day. What on earth should I do?
    Originally posted by chris1200
    Stop being such an awkward @rse, that's what you can do.

    Fair enough there's no-one home to deal with it when you're at work. Fair enough you don't get home until late. Fair enough you might have plans for the weekend.

    But you don't go to bed the moment you get home, and you're not busy all weekend, every weekend, are you? No.

    So simply drop them a note and say "could you come and collect this stuff as soon as you can please. Unfortunately I work late during the week, and am off to the footie on Saturday afternoon, so after 9pm in the week, first thing Saturday, or Sunday works best for me. Let me know which day you're coming. Regards, chris1200"

    Not hard is it?
    Last edited by ReadingTim; 28-11-2017 at 1:37 PM.
    • TBagpuss
    • By TBagpuss 28th Nov 17, 1:11 PM
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    I think you are fine to say you can't change your plans to fit around them, but that isn't the same as saying that you can't accommodate any evening or weekend. It would not be unreasonable to give them some specific times when you would be available, for instance (offer 2 or 3 different options) or make clear that you can accommodation evening or weekend collection at a mutually convenient time and date.

    I don't think it is realistic to demand they pay you for your time or petrol to return them - you could have made arrangements to return them during working hours during your notice period
    Last edited by TBagpuss; 29-11-2017 at 2:17 PM.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 28th Nov 17, 1:56 PM
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    Why on earth did you not sort this out during your notice period and take it all back before your last day?
    • stuartJo1989
    • By stuartJo1989 28th Nov 17, 7:12 PM
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    They've had 4 weeks to collect it, I now have a new job that will take me away from home at times (perhaps for a week or more on many occasions) and could mean working very late when I'm here. I don't intend to be available or accommodate them if it means I have to change my own plans or affect my new job to do so. At the end of the day if I'm not here I'm not here and if I'm not available I'm not available.
    Originally posted by chris1200
    Then they'll potentially sue you in small claims court for the value/return of the items.
    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 28th Nov 17, 7:44 PM
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    Dear xxx

    As you will recall, I have property belonging to the firm in my garage, and have made many attempts to have this collected. I now find myself in the position of needing storage space.

    Please contact me urgently to arrange collection of these items, which can normally be collected between the hours of x and y on a zzzday. If the items are not collected before Dec 18th, I will have no option but to charge storage at the rate of £x per day, to cover my expenses in providing extended storage for these goods. I also reserve the right, once storage charges are implemented, to charge £5 for each letter or phone call I have to make about storage or collection arrangements. (I have already sent x emails and made y phone calls about this!)
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    • ReadingTim
    • By ReadingTim 29th Nov 17, 9:41 AM
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    Dear xxx

    As you will recall, I have property belonging to the firm in my garage, and have made many attempts to have this collected. I now find myself in the position of needing storage space.

    Please contact me urgently to arrange collection of these items, which can normally be collected between the hours of x and y on a zzzday. If the items are not collected before Dec 18th, I will have no option but to charge storage at the rate of £x per day, to cover my expenses in providing extended storage for these goods. I also reserve the right, once storage charges are implemented, to charge £5 for each letter or phone call I have to make about storage or collection arrangements. (I have already sent x emails and made y phone calls about this!)
    Originally posted by jobbingmusician
    Dear jobbingmusician,

    Thank you for your letter/e-mail. You are reminded of your contractual obligation to return all company property prior to leaving employment. Failure to do so will be regarded as theft of company property and pursued to the fullest extent of the law. We look forward to the return of these items at your earliest convenience. The office is open during normal business hours.

    Regards,

    ex-employer.

    ------

    As you can see, both parties can play petty tit-for-tat games and the OP, frankly, is in the wrong. He'd 'only get away with it' (so to speak) if his employer decided they couldn't be bothered retrieving the stuff, or it would cost more to do than it was worth - not on the merits of his argument.

    Unless there's more to it than we're being told, it seems needlessly stupid to sour the relationship over something so petty, which can easily be resolved with a little bit of compromise. Furthermore, unless the OP's sure he's never going to encounter anyone from his former employer who was involved in this spat ever again in his working life, it seems somewhat shortsighted to risk getting a reputation for being "difficult", "argumentative", or just "trying to screw them over when he left".
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