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    • jskelce
    • By jskelce 24th Nov 17, 6:01 PM
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    Previous house owners have left many belongings
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    • 24th Nov 17, 6:01 PM
    Previous house owners have left many belongings 24th Nov 17 at 6:01 PM
    Hi Guys,
    We could really do with some help. We bought our house two months ago. On the day of completion, the previous owner rang me two hours before they were due to leave to catch their ferry to Portugal where there new home is located. He told me that they had massively over estimated how much they could fit in their vans and that they had had to leave a large amount of their belongings in the garage and work shop. He assured me that his friend, who was helping him move, would be back in three days to move these items. I took him at his word and said that was fine. I'm not talking small things either, massive pieces of industrial work equipment worth thousands of pounds, a bath, boxes of personal possessions, all sorts! Unfortunately said friend's plan to move the stuff fell through as the garage he was going to move it all to ceased to be available to him. So the upshot is he has put all the pressure on his friend to move this stuff and he is struggling to find anywhere. We have told the previous owner that he has until December 3rd to move it all out. He has tried to convince us to let them have longer by giving us a big sob story but it has been too long. We cannot finish unpacking, use our garage for what we want at all, and on top of that our whole house flooded two weeks after we moved in thanks to some dodgy plumbing (our plumber confirmed this.) They have told us it was their plumber that did this work and not him but won't tell us his name or company. So we need the space even more now to put our things from the house whilst all the ceilings and floors are fixed. We don't have much money so we don't want to have to pay out even more on solicitors to get advice, but we just need to know one thing. Does anyone with any legal clout or knowledge know where we stand legally. If we give him a deadline of the third and he doesn't collect, are we in a position to sell, keep or dispose of these items? There are many storage containers available in this area but he has chosen not to rent one and rely on his friend (who is very stressed by it all -we don't blame him) as he's holding out for a cheaper alternative, using us as free storage in the meantime. If anyone knows, any advice would be great. I've trawled the internet but can't find anyone in this kind of predicament! Thanks in advance!
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    • Debbie Savard
    • By Debbie Savard 24th Nov 17, 6:58 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 6:58 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 6:58 PM
    The vendor is having a laugh.

    Confirm in writing that he's got 10 working days to clear the house after which time all items will be disposed of as you see fit and he'll be invoiced for the costs
    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 24th Nov 17, 6:58 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 6:58 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 6:58 PM
    Hi Guys,
    We could really do with some help. We bought our house two months ago. On the day of completion, the previous owner rang me two hours before they were due to leave to catch their ferry to Portugal where there new home is located. He told me that they had massively over estimated how much they could fit in their vans and that they had had to leave a large amount of their belongings in the garage and work shop. He assured me that his friend, who was helping him move, would be back in three days to move these items. I took him at his word and said that was fine. I'm not talking small things either, massive pieces of industrial work equipment worth thousands of pounds, a bath, boxes of personal possessions, all sorts! Unfortunately said friend's plan to move the stuff fell through as the garage he was going to move it all to ceased to be available to him. So the upshot is he has put all the pressure on his friend to move this stuff and he is struggling to find anywhere. We have told the previous owner that he has until December 3rd to move it all out. He has tried to convince us to let them have longer by giving us a big sob story but it has been too long. We cannot finish unpacking, use our garage for what we want at all, and on top of that our whole house flooded two weeks after we moved in thanks to some dodgy plumbing (our plumber confirmed this.) They have told us it was their plumber that did this work and not him but won't tell us his name or company. So we need the space even more now to put our things from the house whilst all the ceilings and floors are fixed. We don't have much money so we don't want to have to pay out even more on solicitors to get advice, but we just need to know one thing. Does anyone with any legal clout or knowledge know where we stand legally. If we give him a deadline of the third and he doesn't collect, are we in a position to sell, keep or dispose of these items? There are many storage containers available in this area but he has chosen not to rent one and rely on his friend (who is very stressed by it all -we don't blame him) as he's holding out for a cheaper alternative, using us as free storage in the meantime. If anyone knows, any advice would be great. I've trawled the internet but can't find anyone in this kind of predicament! Thanks in advance!
    Originally posted by jskelce
    Blimey, I feel for you. I thought I had an odd situation when my predecessors left some *ahem* interesting toys in the loft which I discovered when I went up there to add to the insulation.

    I'm sure someone will be along with the legal position but perhaps you can arrange for them to be taken by a clearance company, having given notice to the owner that you are doing so. It would then be up to him to contact the company to agree to their disposing/selling them or charging him storage. Maybe a deal can be struck where it costs you nothing, the company getting paid from the proceeds or the storage. Call a few clearance companies inviting them to collect the stuff from the 3rd December.
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 24th Nov 17, 7:31 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 7:31 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 7:31 PM
    As an incentive to shift it start charging for storage. Make yourself more expensive than local storage.
    When its moved make sure the worthless stuff is loaded before the expensive stuff.
    Don't harass a hippie. You'll get bad karma.
    • dj1471
    • By dj1471 24th Nov 17, 7:49 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 7:49 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 7:49 PM
    Most contracts of sale include a term passing ownership of the entire contents of the property to you (check), so legally you're entitled to dispose of it as you see fit.
    • ic
    • By ic 24th Nov 17, 8:14 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 8:14 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 8:14 PM
    Talk to your conveyancing solicitor and take their guidance.
    * my posts are made in good faith and only represent my own opinion, experience or understanding of a situation.
    • dj1471
    • By dj1471 24th Nov 17, 8:19 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 8:19 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 8:19 PM
    Talk to your conveyancing solicitor and take their guidance.
    Originally posted by ic
    The purchase has completed, any further work will cost money. Many solicitors charge a flat £100 to deal with straightforward post-sale issues (all they'll do is send a letter to the vendor).
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 24th Nov 17, 8:51 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 8:51 PM
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    You have no legal duty to retain or take care of the items.It's not the same as the duty of care a landlord might have.

    In the interests of reasonableness, give the vendor a further week to arrange for their removal, and if they aren't gone by then, sell the better pieces and use the proceeds to pay for disposal of the rest.

    You could claim against the seller fordisposal expenses, but if they are in another country, doing that might be more hassle than it's worth.
    'A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they'll never sit in.'
    • EssexExile
    • By EssexExile 24th Nov 17, 8:52 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 8:52 PM
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    • 24th Nov 17, 8:52 PM
    The purchase has completed, any further work will cost money. Many solicitors charge a flat £100 to deal with straightforward post-sale issues (all they'll do is send a letter to the vendor).
    Originally posted by dj1471
    In my experience they can be very helpful & not charge for simple matters like this. A phone call will find out how helpful they'll be.
    Tall, dark & handsome. Well two out of three ain't bad.
    • d0nkeyk0ng
    • By d0nkeyk0ng 25th Nov 17, 1:14 PM
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    Make sure your locks are changed so previous owner or their friends can't access the house or garage without your permission. Other than that, how you proceed is very much down to you. I'd be tempted to offer them a week to sort it all out or you will sell it on ebay or similar.
    • jskelce
    • By jskelce 5th Dec 17, 8:58 PM
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    Thank you everyone! I so appreciate the advice. As a result we put the pressure on big time and they actually came back from Portugal to get it sorted! Even then, they tried to make US feel guilty, saying how much it had cost to come over and how hard things have been for them. On top of that, they decided they wanted to look around the garden (it's very big...green house etc) and take any gardening tools or pots of plants they may have left that they may now fancy taking back with them, since they've come all this way. You couldn't make it up! The solicitor did in fact send a letter for free (just for anyone's future reference) but it was rubbish. It simply told them they needed to remove their items by the 3rd but didn't say anything about what would happen if they didn't. That said, it's gone, they've gone and hopefully that's the end of it! Cheers guys, and Happy Christmas
    • jskelce
    • By jskelce 5th Dec 17, 8:59 PM
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    Ha! My goodness! That certainly doesn't sound like something you can sell on! Thanks for the advice! x
    • jskelce
    • By jskelce 5th Dec 17, 9:01 PM
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    Oh and you may be pleased to know that they left a very large crate of alcohol which we may have actually accidentally put in our kitchen cupboard. They asked of its whereabouts once, we denied any knowledge and they never asked again. Think we all knew the elephant in the room was saying we were entitled to it!
    • bris
    • By bris 6th Dec 17, 2:01 AM
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    You're an "involuntary ballee" you better take advice on this because you can't just dispose of it as you see fit.


    There are laws that you need to follow, this doesn't just affect landlords as some one suggested but anyone who has found themselves in possession of someone else's property.




    https://www.stephens-scown.co.uk/commercial-property/whose-belongings-are-they-anyway-dealing-with-involuntary-bailment/
    • Archergirl
    • By Archergirl 6th Dec 17, 3:33 PM
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    Bris, read the thread, it's gone now...........
    • macman
    • By macman 6th Dec 17, 6:56 PM
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    I hope they don't read this thread, or they'll be back for the booze...
    I can't believe you allowed them to remove tools and plants from the garden?
    No free lunch, and no free laptop
    • TheCyclingProgrammer
    • By TheCyclingProgrammer 6th Dec 17, 11:01 PM
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    Bris, read the thread, it's gone now...........
    Originally posted by Archergirl
    A bit late, but still useful information for anyone with a similar problem who comes across this thread in the future.
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