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    • sunnys8080
    • By sunnys8080 22nd Nov 17, 10:29 PM
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    benefits and supported accommodation
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    • 22nd Nov 17, 10:29 PM
    benefits and supported accommodation 22nd Nov 17 at 10:29 PM
    I'm 37 male who has bipolar, ocd and alcohol misuse. I live with my mum and am soon moving into council supported accommodation for people with mental health problems.

    I'm in the support group of esa and medium rate pip.

    Do you think they'll take me of pip and put me into the wrag group for esa?
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    • Penitent
    • By Penitent 22nd Nov 17, 10:33 PM
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    Why do you feel they're going to do this?
    • sunnys8080
    • By sunnys8080 22nd Nov 17, 10:40 PM
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    Possibly because they'll teach me how to budget my money and i'll have to cook my own food.
    • nicetomeetyou
    • By nicetomeetyou 23rd Nov 17, 6:20 PM
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    • 23rd Nov 17, 6:20 PM
    If its just council accommodation and your aren't receiving support from social services i.e. direct payments/social service support package they will not touch your PIP. If you are receiving or going to be receiving support from social services and you haven't been on a section 3 mental health act social services can ask you to contribute out your PIP for the services you use.
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    • By Penitent 23rd Nov 17, 6:58 PM
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    Possibly because they'll teach me how to budget my money and i'll have to cook my own food.
    Originally posted by sunnys8080
    It depends.

    If you no longer meet the descriptors then, yes, you might see a reduction in your benefits. For example, it would be extremely difficult to argue that you're unable to cook for yourself if you're regularly cooking for yourself without mishap.

    On the other hand, if your conditions render you unable to do these things, then no amount of teaching will change this and your benefits would remain unchanged.

    Is this move against your will? Or are you moving in the hope of becoming more independent?
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    • By skcollobcat10 23rd Nov 17, 7:52 PM
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    Bipolar is a serious life long mental illness and it can never be cured only stabilised. You will probably have manic episodes and severe depressive episodes throughout your life with portions of stability in between even with medication.

    I think you have nothing to worry about. The DWP know the effects Bipolar has and if you are moving into supported accomodation they will know the severity of the condition. Make sure you get help from your psychiatric team to fill out any forms for DWP and try not to worry. Good luck in your new place.
    • nicetomeetyou
    • By nicetomeetyou 23rd Nov 17, 8:20 PM
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    Its not the benefits people that take the PIP off the person its social services if that person is deemed as needing support unless you have section 117 aftercare You still get paid PIP but the care compound goes to pay social services. I live in supported living and I have 117 aftercare because I have been on a section 3. This means I don't have to pay anything toward my support costs. There are people here who have to pay a majority of their care compound to social services because they have been assessed and their care award goes towards the social services budget.
    Last edited by nicetomeetyou; 23-11-2017 at 8:22 PM.
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    • By nicetomeetyou 23rd Nov 17, 8:28 PM
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    Sunny. I have schizoaffective disorder and I moved into supported living 7 years ago after struggling on my own. It was the best move I ever made. Depending on what setting your in. Here with the staff and tenants it feels like a family, we all have eating and cooking nights and film nights, Its a home and not just individual rooms in a house where people do different things. We have 24/7 staff. Its more set up here for learning disabilities. I don't know how it'll be for people with alcohol misuse issues, it could either be good or bad, either homely or like a hostel. It depends.

    What I do know is that living in supported living has a positive effect on benefits.
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 23rd Nov 17, 8:32 PM
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    Its not the benefits people that take the PIP off the person its social services if that person is deemed as needing support unless you have section 117 aftercare You still get paid PIP but the care compound goes to pay social services. I live in supported living and I have 117 aftercare because I have been on a section 3. This means I don't have to pay anything toward my support costs. There are people here who have to pay a majority of their care compound to social services because they have been assessed and their care award goes towards the social services budget.
    Originally posted by nicetomeetyou
    Please read the OP. They ask if they'll be taken off PIP, meaning will the DWP reduce their award. You are answering a different question (although it is something the OP should consider).

    OP your award will only be reduced if your care needs reduce (or in the case of ESA, if your capability for work improves). The DWP do reduce (and increase) awards for those with bipolar, as everyone's condition will be different and will vary over time. Don't worry about it for now, your support team will advise you if there is such a time when you need to notify them of a change in condition.
    • nicetomeetyou
    • By nicetomeetyou 23rd Nov 17, 8:36 PM
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    Please read the OP. They ask if they'll be taken off PIP, meaning will the DWP reduce their award. You are answering a different question (although it is something the OP should consider).
    Originally posted by IAmWales
    Oh sorry.

    If thats the case they will going take PIP award off you if you are going into a care setting, i.e. they are providing meals and its a care home and not supported living. If supported living you will continue getting PIP.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 23rd Nov 17, 9:33 PM
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    OP - NO; for PIP the fact that you are in supported housing demonstrates the care needs you have.

    When the time comes to complete renewal forms for PIP & ESA, please get help to fill these in. Get your support worker to contact your local CAB / advice agency and to go to the appointment with you.

    What do you mean by the medium rate of PIP?
    PIP has 2 components for Daily Living and mobility. Both can be awarded at the Standard or Enhanced rate.

    Are you getting the DL component?
    Does anyone claim Carers Allowance on your behalf?

    You may be entitled to the SDP premium on your ESA when you move -
    see https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/Severe-Disability-Premium/What-is-a-Severe-Disability-Premium
    Last edited by Alice Holt; 23-11-2017 at 9:39 PM.
    • sunnys8080
    • By sunnys8080 24th Nov 17, 5:38 PM
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    Thanks for the responses. I have to move because I've had a psychotic breakdown. I'm seeing the psychiatrist to change meds.

    My mum wants me out and so do the neighbours. The police are involved and so are the council.

    I get the standard rate of pip and am in the support group for esa.

    Everyone looks and stares at me wherever I go sending me more paranoid and I've been catching taxis everywhere. My mum cooks my food or I order takeaways.

    It's just that in 2011-2012 I was in supported accommodation (non mental health), before I was diagnosed with bipolar and they took me off esa support group and put me in the wrag until I moved back with my mum.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 24th Nov 17, 6:54 PM
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    Thanks for the responses. I have to move because I've had a psychotic breakdown. I'm seeing the psychiatrist to change meds.

    My mum wants me out and so do the neighbours. The police are involved and so are the council.

    I get the standard rate of pip and am in the support group for esa.

    Everyone looks and stares at me wherever I go sending me more paranoid and I've been catching taxis everywhere. My mum cooks my food or I order takeaways.

    It's just that in 2011-2012 I was in supported accommodation (non mental health), before I was diagnosed with bipolar and they took me off esa support group and put me in the wrag until I moved back with my mum.
    Originally posted by sunnys8080
    It sounds like you have very, very little to worry about. Even if you learn to cook there are lots of other areas you'd gain points. I can't remember how they phrase it but one descriptor is about appropriate behaviour with others. It sounds like you'd get full points on that alone. (I'm not judging you, just explaining how the benefit works).

    When your benefits need renewing, which they will at some point regardless of whether you move, get help from someone like CAB or Mind.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.

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    • sunnys8080
    • By sunnys8080 2nd Dec 17, 9:46 AM
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    Oh dear. The supported housing there putting me in is for substance misusers not mentally ill people. The council told me. That means I will not be prompted to have a bath, cook my meals, they will teach me to budget my money. They are definitely going to take away my pip which i've only just one after appeal.

    I can't believe this.
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 2nd Dec 17, 10:51 AM
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    Please don't assume this. You don't know at the moment.

    I am sorry things are so tough.

    Try phoning MIND. You can get general information on 0300 123 3393
    info@mind.org.uk

    Or help understanding what they are doing, and what you can ask for/do about it re going into the supported living place (and what it provides)
    0300 466 6463
    legal@mind.org.uk

    Please call them. They are open from 9am - 6pm

    There should be an assessment, a care plan, and I would hope they will provide a support worker of some kind (although this can take time). These are all indicators of your care needs as far as ESA is concerned, they don't mean you are 'more' able. They mean you need support to be more independent.

    I hope that makes sense; Please call MIND. They will advise you and give you some contacts that will be able to help long term.
    Last edited by deannatrois; 02-12-2017 at 10:56 AM.
    • sunnys8080
    • By sunnys8080 2nd Dec 17, 11:13 AM
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    Thank you, I'm going to contact them now
    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 2nd Dec 17, 11:43 AM
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    Oh dear. The supported housing there putting me in is for substance misusers not mentally ill people. The council told me. That means I will not be prompted to have a bath, cook my meals, they will teach me to budget my money. They are definitely going to take away my pip which i've only just one after appeal.

    I can't believe this.
    Originally posted by sunnys8080
    You need to speak to your support worker/social worker about this.

    As far as I am aware you can still claim PIP when in Supported Housing. I am sure you would still meet the PIP descriptors but if you are worried about this then speak to CAB.

    Sometimes people are not eligible for PIP if they are receiving care in a residential care home but this does not seem to apply to you.

    What care is provided in your supported housing?
    Will you be paying for your housing through Housing Benefit?
    • sunnys8080
    • By sunnys8080 2nd Dec 17, 11:57 AM
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    I'm not sure if i'll be paying through housing benefit, they haven't explained much to me and my housing advisor is actually quite a rude woman. I'm moving tomorrow.

    I also have an appointment with my psychiatrist on wednesday and am going to explain everything to him.
    • nicetomeetyou
    • By nicetomeetyou 2nd Dec 17, 4:17 PM
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    I live in Supported living and my DLA hasn't stopped or any of the other tenants.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 2nd Dec 17, 4:17 PM
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    Why do you think they'll definitely take away your PIP? Has someone told you that or are you assuming?
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.

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