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    • monkeychops
    • By monkeychops 20th Nov 17, 10:02 AM
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    Neighbours' dog
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    • 20th Nov 17, 10:02 AM
    Neighbours' dog 20th Nov 17 at 10:02 AM
    Me and OH moved in May. Next door neighbour has a shih Tzu. Cute little dog, bit yappy but doesn't bother us.

    We realised quickly that if the neighbours are there (male, female and 3 sons youngest about 12) the dog is tied up outside. When they go out the dog is indoors.

    Most days the dog was put outside at around 8am and not taken in until 10pm, sometimes later. Although not thinking this was great we just thought well the weather is warm so ok.

    Anyway because of a close family member's illness we have been away from our house until 2 weeks ago. Of course the weather has turned much colder. The dog is still outside for hours on end.

    He has food and water and they leave the shed door open for him to go inside but it is hardly going to be any warmer in there is it? He is tied on a lead and then a piece of rope. It is not very long at all.

    So he can't run around the garden. The garden is pretty big and very secure so he wouldn't escape. Most days he has been outside from 8am to around 8pm. The sons play in the garden but not with the dog. I have seen them walk past the dog and totally ignore him. The adults do the same. I have not heard them even speak to the dog.

    When they go out they pick the dog up and put him inside. So straight off the rope and picked up. I don't know but I would guess that he is in a crate when indoors.

    He seems to get no walks, no interaction etc. This weekend he was in the garden from 8am until 8pm. It was cold and it rained. I think he went into the shed when it rained. Sunday they were out from 9am until 2pm so the dog was indoors. Literally the second they got home I saw the woman carrying the dog and on the rope he went. He was then outside until 7pm.

    I feel so sorry for him. What a horrid sad life he has. No walking, no playing, no interaction that I can see or hear (walls are pretty thin so would probably hear if it sounded like they were playing with him in evening).

    Now the problem. Do I report to RSPCA knowing they will probably do nothing as dog has food, water and shelter. If they do come out the neighbours will be pretty sure it was us that reported so on a bad footing before even really getting to know them. We have spoken to the male who seems ok but not the woman.

    I am becoming obsessed with looking into their garden at him looking so sad and dejected. I speak to him through the hedge. We have 2 dogs and we are always walking them, playing with them, talking to them etc.

    I am just getting more and more upset about the poor thing. Any ideas what I should do?
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    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 6th Jan 18, 10:49 PM
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    Do you think if you offered to buy him from them, they may let you have him. They've no interest in the dog, the novelty has obviously worn off. Frankly I'd send you a donation if they would.
    • tiz
    • By tiz 6th Jan 18, 11:35 PM
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    You can try the RSPCA. Since the Animal Welfare Act there is more than just an obligation to provide food/water/shelter. Also to ensure a suitable environment, protection from suffering, and the ability to exhibit normal behaviour patterns, for example.

    Whether they'll be able to do anything will depend on the exact circumstances and what they find in the shed/house/what the neighbours tell them.

    Most likely they'll at least discuss the issues with the neighbour which may make them consider whether they want to keep the dog/need to make changes.

    Worth a call at least, as realistically there aren't many other options.
    • Kim kim
    • By Kim kim 7th Jan 18, 12:19 AM
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    RSPCA might act on the five freedoms -
    1. Freedom from hunger and thirst: by ready access to fresh water and a diet to maintain full health and vigour.
    2. Freedom from discomfort: by providing an appropriate environment including shelter and a comfortable resting area.
    3. Freedom from pain, injury or disease: by prevention through rapid diagnosis and treatment.
    4. Freedom to express normal behaviour: by providing sufficient space, proper facilities and company of the animalís own kind.
    5. Freedom from fear and distress: by ensuring conditions and treatment which avoid mental suffering.
    Originally posted by krlyr
    Number 4. Iím failing my cat, he has no cat company. He likes it that way, he hates other cats.
    • ERICS MUM
    • By ERICS MUM 7th Jan 18, 12:37 AM
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    Number 4. Iím failing my cat, he has no cat company. He likes it that way, he hates other cats.
    Originally posted by Kim kim
    If your cat is anything like my Eric (see photo), he won't consider himself a mere cat, he thinks he's the head of the household. On occasions where he needs to be "tough", he assumed his tiger persona. Never just a cat.
    • Froglet
    • By Froglet 7th Jan 18, 7:45 AM
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    You can try the RSPCA. Since the Animal Welfare Act there is more than just an obligation to provide food/water/shelter. Also to ensure a suitable environment, protection from suffering, and the ability to exhibit normal behaviour patterns, for example.



    Whether they'll be able to do anything will depend on the exact circumstances and what they find in the shed/house/what the neighbours tell them.

    Most likely they'll at least discuss the issues with the neighbour which may make them consider whether they want to keep the dog/need to make changes.

    Worth a call at least, as realistically there aren't many other options.
    Originally posted by tiz
    She has rung them,twice,didn't seem concerned.I thought they were duty bound to check every complant

    However,as its only their frontline staff,and not the inspectors themselves,I am wondering whether a call at a different time,or from another neighbour might work.Maybe exaggerate this poor dogs condition and anguish.We have a local RSPCA charity shop,if there is one nearby they might know of another way to get in touch with their local inspector.
    • Froglet
    • By Froglet 7th Jan 18, 10:53 AM
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    Do you think if you offered to buy him from them, they may let you have him. They've no interest in the dog, the novelty has obviously worn off. Frankly I'd send you a donation if they would.
    Originally posted by bugslet

    So would I.I cannot begin to wonder why they got the dog in the first place only to treat it with such disdain.But it is probably a possession,and i'll bet he can't be bought.Yet it would save this hard hearted woman the cost of dog food and the effort to bring it in and out all the time.What an example to her children.
    • monkeychops
    • By monkeychops 9th Jan 18, 1:48 PM
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    Ok so not sure what is happening but this is the latest.

    Me and OH have been away from our house since 3rd Jan because of family illness. Before we left I printed out some pages I found on google, mainly on the PETA website, about why dogs, especially some breeds, should not be kept outside. Also so general info on what a dog needs to be happy and healthy i.e. exercise, playing etc.

    We posted it on our way to family. I was hoping that by posting it over 20 miles away they wouldn't immediately think it was from us!

    Anyway yesterday OH went home. Got back about 9am and although the woman appeared to be there (her car was there) no sight or sound of the dog. No sign all day.

    Today OH says the woman is definitely there as he has heard her and seen her once in the garden. No sign again of dog.

    So this must mean that either he is indoors or she has got rid of him. We never seem to hear him when he is indoors so hard to know if he is there or not. If he is I think it is likely he is crated which while still not very fair on him is better than being outside in the cold.

    I should be going back next weekend so will try and keep a lookout. Obviously if he is indoors he still has to go in the garden to pee and poo and he tends to bark at anything and everything when outside so should know pretty quickly.

    I am hoping really that she has found a new home for him or given him to rescue but at least he is not outside.

    Will let you all know as soon as I find anything out.
    • svain
    • By svain 9th Jan 18, 2:46 PM
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    Ok so not sure what is happening but this is the latest.

    Me and OH have been away from our house since 3rd Jan because of family illness. Before we left I printed out some pages I found on google, mainly on the PETA website, about why dogs, especially some breeds, should not be kept outside. Also so general info on what a dog needs to be happy and healthy i.e. exercise, playing etc.

    We posted it on our way to family. I was hoping that by posting it over 20 miles away they wouldn't immediately think it was from us!

    Anyway yesterday OH went home. Got back about 9am and although the woman appeared to be there (her car was there) no sight or sound of the dog. No sign all day.

    Today OH says the woman is definitely there as he has heard her and seen her once in the garden. No sign again of dog.

    So this must mean that either he is indoors or she has got rid of him. We never seem to hear him when he is indoors so hard to know if he is there or not. If he is I think it is likely he is crated which while still not very fair on him is better than being outside in the cold.

    I should be going back next weekend so will try and keep a lookout. Obviously if he is indoors he still has to go in the garden to pee and poo and he tends to bark at anything and everything when outside so should know pretty quickly.

    I am hoping really that she has found a new home for him or given him to rescue but at least he is not outside.

    Will let you all know as soon as I find anything out.
    Originally posted by monkeychops
    FFS .... You couldnt leave it could you. ?? ...

    The dog could be sitting in his crate 24hrs day, could of been dumped at the roadside or could of been drowned for all you know.... it is beyond words of your irresponsibility in how you have dealt with this
    • Shazzablue65
    • By Shazzablue65 9th Jan 18, 3:30 PM
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    What a horrid nasty reply...this dog had no quality of life...i hope he has been given to a shelter...on your other point drowning a dog is a criminal offence and if you think the owners are capable of this they should never be near a pet..its people turning a blind eye who are the problem....nasty
    • monkeychops
    • By monkeychops 9th Jan 18, 3:46 PM
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    FFS .... You couldnt leave it could you. ?? ...

    The dog could be sitting in his crate 24hrs day, could of been dumped at the roadside or could of been drowned for all you know.... it is beyond words of your irresponsibility in how you have dealt with this
    Originally posted by svain

    Being in a crate 24 hours is a crap life but at least he is in the warm. Being outside is just as !!!! but with the possibility that the cold could have killed him.

    If he is not there any more, and I don't know that he isn't for sure, there is no reason to think the owner has not been responsible and taken him to a rescue, back to his breeder or found him a home.

    Also, as I said in my post if you had bothered to read it properly, I don't know how long they have had the dog. It could be they have had been several years and don't shove him in the garden in the winter.

    Why assume he was dumped at the side of the road other than to have a go at me? Even if he had been maybe someone nice found him? I have rescued a cat that I found dumped on a motorway and kept him.

    I don't think I have been irresponsible. How was I supposed to deal with it in your opinion? You are just about the only poster who seemed to think the way the dog was being treated was ok and that I was just being a busy body. Doesn't say much for you or your attitude to animals to be honest.
    Last edited by monkeychops; 09-01-2018 at 3:51 PM.
    • Froglet
    • By Froglet 9th Jan 18, 5:13 PM
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    Monkeychops,take no notice and don't let that post upset you.What has upset us all ,well,nearly ,is that poor little miserable,lonely dogs existence.You have been the only one who could do something when no one in any power,would.I think you are a lovely kind person.I have been checking here for days hoping he would be in a better place,and out of that situation.
    If he barks you will surely hear him so no bark is good news.

    Sorry to hear about your family troubles.I hope things improve for you soon.

    We need more people in this world like you who don't stand by and do nothing.

    THANK YOU.
    • krlyr
    • By krlyr 9th Jan 18, 5:49 PM
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    FFS .... You couldnt leave it could you. ?? ...

    The dog could be sitting in his crate 24hrs day, could of been dumped at the roadside or could of been drowned for all you know.... it is beyond words of your irresponsibility in how you have dealt with this
    Originally posted by svain
    No, that would be all because of the irresponsibility of the dog's owners. OP cannot and should not have to control someone else's ability to look after their own pet.
    • svain
    • By svain 9th Jan 18, 6:03 PM
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    No, that would be all because of the irresponsibility of the dog's owners. OP cannot and should not have to control someone else's ability to look after their own pet.
    Originally posted by krlyr
    Totally agree and therefore they shouldnt of got involved in the first place unless had at least some kind of safety net for the dog in the fall out.


    Being in a crate 24 hours is a crap life but at least he is in the warm. Being outside is just as !!!! but with the possibility that the cold could have killed him.

    If he is not there any more, and I don't know that he isn't for sure, there is no reason to think the owner has not been responsible and taken him to a rescue, back to his breeder or found him a home.

    Also, as I said in my post if you had bothered to read it properly, I don't know how long they have had the dog. It could be they have had been several years and don't shove him in the garden in the winter.

    Why assume he was dumped at the side of the road other than to have a go at me? Even if he had been maybe someone nice found him? I have rescued a cat that I found dumped on a motorway and kept him.

    I don't think I have been irresponsible. How was I supposed to deal with it in your opinion? You are just about the only poster who seemed to think the way the dog was being treated was ok and that I was just being a busy body. Doesn't say much for you or your attitude to animals to be honest.
    Originally posted by monkeychops

    It is irresponsible in that you cannot know the consequences you have created for the poor dog. You have risked it to a far worse fate than its current situation.

    As you were hell bent in getting involved at least have the guts to attempt to deal with it personally. Dropping an anonymous leaflet from the likes of Peta (who are a bordeline extremist in many people's eyes) does know more than potentially inflame the situation at further expense to dogs well being

    I really hope up you have been lucky and your actions has improved the dogs life but although your intentions may of been good, your actions are ill thought out.
    Last edited by svain; 09-01-2018 at 6:21 PM.
    • shazzablue
    • By shazzablue 9th Jan 18, 6:22 PM
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    Are you some kind of troll?...have you ever had the joy of looking after a dog?...monkeychops attempted to help this neglected dog,and to start you reply with FFS!.if you can watch a dog suffering and think nothing of it do not berate other people who genuinely care about a dogs welfare,in fact you have brought nothing to this thread..i,m being very polite just now where you are concerned.
    • svain
    • By svain 9th Jan 18, 6:31 PM
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    Are you some kind of troll?...have you ever had the joy of looking after a dog?...monkeychops attempted to help this neglected dog,and to start you reply with FFS!.if you can watch a dog suffering and think nothing of it do not berate other people who genuinely care about a dogs welfare,in fact you have brought nothing to this thread..i,m being very polite just now where you are concerned.
    Originally posted by shazzablue
    If you think i dont have the dogs best interest at heart then you are very much mistaken (and thats me being very polite)
    • krlyr
    • By krlyr 9th Jan 18, 6:42 PM
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    Totally agree and therefore they shouldnt of got involved in the first place unless had at least some kind of safety net for the dog in the fall out.
    Originally posted by svain
    They don't have any kind of obligation to provide a safety net. The dog's owner shouldn't put the dog in that position in the first place. If they've acted on this leaflet to put the dog in a worse position, that is all on them.

    When I moved house, my dog had separation anxiety and would bark when left. I didn't know until a neighbour told me. Whether that was face-to-face, as it was, or if it had been an anonymous letter, it was still on me to deal with my dog. Had I decided to just leave my dog stressed, or dump it at the side of the road, or whatever I'd done - that would have been my decision. As it was, I took the time off work/made alternative arrangements when I couldn't and sought help to deal with the issue until my dog was comfortable being left at home.

    This owner may have dumped the dog, they may have brought it in to care for it. That is all their decision. The OP simply sent a leaflet that triggered to the owner to do something, the leaflet obviously wouldn't have advised dumping the dog or crating it 24/7, so I don't see how anyone reasonable would blame the OP for that situation, if that's what's happened.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 10th Jan 18, 11:43 AM
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    FFS .... You couldnt leave it could you. ?? ...

    The dog could be sitting in his crate 24hrs day, could of been dumped at the roadside or could of been drowned for all you know.... it is beyond words of your irresponsibility in how you have dealt with this
    Originally posted by svain
    So, what would you have done? Ignore the situation?
    • warehouse
    • By warehouse 10th Jan 18, 11:58 AM
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    FFS .... You couldnt leave it could you. ?? ...

    The dog could be sitting in his crate 24hrs day, could of been dumped at the roadside or could of been drowned for all you know.... it is beyond words of your irresponsibility in how you have dealt with this
    Originally posted by svain
    Such a shame there isn't a dislike button on this site.
    Pants
    • svain
    • By svain 10th Jan 18, 1:37 PM
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    So, what would you have done? Ignore the situation?
    Originally posted by sheramber
    Difficult to say without knowing the situation and the neighbours. I however would never of done something that potentially leaves the dog open to worse abuse.
    • avogadro
    • By avogadro 14th Jan 18, 3:44 PM
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    Difficult to say without knowing the situation and the neighbours. I however would never of done something that potentially leaves the dog open to worse abuse.
    Originally posted by svain
    I certainly wouldn't advocate spreading gossip around the neighbours and plotting to snatch/steal the dog!

    This person does appear to have a lot of time on her hands.

    That said, I do hope the dog is being looked after a bit better now.
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