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    • igbar091
    • By igbar091 15th Nov 17, 1:22 PM
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    SW Trains - Anytime Day Return Tickets More Expensive at Peak Times
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    • 15th Nov 17, 1:22 PM
    SW Trains - Anytime Day Return Tickets More Expensive at Peak Times 15th Nov 17 at 1:22 PM
    Hi,

    Just wondering if anyone had noticed that South Western Railway list their Anytime Day Returns at higher prices when looking at peak times than off-peak, even though the ticket is valid for travel at any time of day?

    Surely it is HIGHLY misleading and unethical (no surprise there...) to charge two prices for THE SAME ticket, depending on the time looked at, when buying the cheaper ticket would still let you travel on the peak trains just fine.

    Just wondered if anyone else had noticed, and if it's worth complaining to them or someone else?
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    • cookie365
    • By cookie365 15th Nov 17, 5:07 PM
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    • 15th Nov 17, 5:07 PM
    If it's a different price it's not the same ticket. Show us an example.

    At least tell us the start and end stations and the amounts.
    • elverson
    • By elverson 16th Nov 17, 8:05 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 8:05 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 8:05 AM
    There isn't such thing as a "peak train". The peak/off peak times depend on the origin and destination stations.
    • igbar091
    • By igbar091 16th Nov 17, 9:28 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 9:28 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 9:28 AM
    For example:

    Clapham Junction to Exeter Central on 17th November 2017, no railcard

    Looking at the South Western Railway website (also happens on Trainline):

    Train Out: South Western Railway, 7:17am, 3hrs 20, no changes, via Honiton: Anytime Day Return: £82.90
    Train Out: South Western Railway, 10:27am, 3hrs10, no changes, via Honiton: Anytime Day Return: £72

    Anytime Day Return restrictions (same on both): via Honiton
    • p00hsticks
    • By p00hsticks 16th Nov 17, 9:39 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 9:39 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 9:39 AM
    For example:

    Clapham Junction to Exeter Central on 17th November 2017, no railcard

    Looking at the South Western Railway website (also happens on Trainline):

    Train Out: South Western Railway, 7:17am, 3hrs 20, no changes, via Honiton: Anytime Day Return: £82.90
    Train Out: South Western Railway, 10:27am, 3hrs10, no changes, via Honiton: Anytime Day Return: £72

    Anytime Day Return restrictions (same on both): via Honiton
    Originally posted by igbar091
    I've just had a look at the first of these two journeys on Trainline.
    Bizzarely, it lists two seperate 'Anytime Day returns' as being available for exactly the same journey - one priced at £72 and one at £82.90.

    An 'off-peak day return' valid on the next train is priced at £74.50, which suggests that the £72 price might be a glitch in the database ?

    Edit: Just spotted the difference between the two fares;

    The £72 one has a route restriction of
    Valid only for travel via (changing trains or passing through) Honiton; not valid via London Terminals.


    Whilst the £82.90 one has a route restriction of

    Valid only for travel via (changing trains or passing through) Honiton.


    So the more expensive ticket allows travel via London Terminals. the cheaper one doesn't.
    Last edited by p00hsticks; 16-11-2017 at 9:44 AM.
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 16th Nov 17, 9:40 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 9:40 AM
    Train Out: South Western Railway, 7:17am, 3hrs 20, no changes, via Honiton: Anytime Day Return: £82.90
    Originally posted by igbar091
    That shows as £72 for me. On both the SWR and National Trains websites.
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 16th Nov 17, 9:43 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 9:43 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 9:43 AM
    Bizzarely, it lists two seperate 'Anytime Day returns' as being available for exactly the same journey - one priced at £72 and one at £82.90.
    Originally posted by p00hsticks
    Ah -- just seen that.

    The cheaper ticket is only valid "not via London".
    • igbar091
    • By igbar091 16th Nov 17, 10:04 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 10:04 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 10:04 AM
    Ahh, mystery solved! Thanks guys

    Still very strange, as there's no reason why you would travel via London terminals to get to/from Clapham Junction - Exeter, but there we go...
    • elverson
    • By elverson 16th Nov 17, 10:28 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 10:28 AM
    There are some journeys which are (slightly) quicker via Paddington and GWR to Exeter St Davids. These need the 'via London' ticket.
    • cookie365
    • By cookie365 16th Nov 17, 11:42 AM
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    Here's the full list of tickets available on that route.

    http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=CLJ&dest=EXC

    Click the ticket name to see the detailed restrictions
    • igbar091
    • By igbar091 16th Nov 17, 4:49 PM
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    There are some journeys which are (slightly) quicker via Paddington and GWR to Exeter St Davids. These need the 'via London' ticket.
    Originally posted by elverson
    Would you be able to start your journey at London Paddington with a Clapham Junction to Exeter Central ticket though? As far as I can see, the Paddington trains never go via Clapham Junction...
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 16th Nov 17, 9:32 PM
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    Would you be able to start your journey at London Paddington with a Clapham Junction to Exeter Central ticket though? As far as I can see, the Paddington trains never go via Clapham Junction...
    Originally posted by igbar091
    The £82.90 ticket includes travel on London Underground.

    So a passenger from Clapham Junc could travel by London Overground to West Brompton and District Line to Paddington.

    Alternatively, SWR to Waterloo, then Bakerloo Line to Paddington.

    Or any one of many other permutations.

    So to answer your question... yes you can use that £82.50 ticket to start your journey at Paddington - particularly because when arriving at Paddington, no-one there will have any idea whether you have travelled from CLJ or not.
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    • igbar091
    • By igbar091 17th Nov 17, 10:59 AM
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    An additional question then - a friend has an Annual GOLD card, but it doesn't seem to apply the 33% discount when booking Paddington to Exeter. Could he book the CJ to Exeter Anytime Day Return (via London) using his GOLD card, then travel on the Paddington route as described above?
    • laird
    • By laird 17th Nov 17, 7:03 PM
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    An additional question then - a friend has an Annual GOLD card, but it doesn't seem to apply the 33% discount when booking Paddington to Exeter. Could he book the CJ to Exeter Anytime Day Return (via London) using his GOLD card, then travel on the Paddington route as described above?
    Originally posted by igbar091
    No the Gold Card zone does not cover the Paddington route to Exeter directly, instead you could look at Paddington to Newbury or Didcot Parkway and then a non-discounted ticket from there.
    It would be discounted if the route Paddington-Reading-Basingstoke-Exeter was specified but that will take longer than just going from Waterloo to Exeter unless you happened to be starting from the Paddington area
    • igbar091
    • By igbar091 29th Nov 17, 5:02 PM
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    No the Gold Card zone does not cover the Paddington route to Exeter directly, instead you could look at Paddington to Newbury or Didcot Parkway and then a non-discounted ticket from there.
    It would be discounted if the route Paddington-Reading-Basingstoke-Exeter was specified but that will take longer than just going from Waterloo to Exeter unless you happened to be starting from the Paddington area
    Originally posted by laird
    but if he bought the Clapham Junction to Exeter train via London Terminals, as the poster above says, he could still be traveling "via London terminals" if he took the train from CJ to Paddington and then to Exeter from there?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 29th Nov 17, 6:37 PM
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    but if he bought the Clapham Junction to Exeter train via London Terminals, as the poster above says, he could still be traveling "via London terminals" if he took the train from CJ to Paddington and then to Exeter from there?
    Originally posted by igbar091
    Yes, but not using the Gold Card for a discount.

    Gold Card discounted tickets are only valid in the area shown on this map: Annual Gold Card Area Map.

    The only way to get to Exeter from Paddington using a Gold Card discounted ticket to Exeter is to travel via Basingstoke.
    In which case the traveller from CLJ may just as well travel direct from CLJ to Exeter via Basingstoke.
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