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    • itgoodson
    • By itgoodson 6th Nov 17, 12:34 AM
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    Fair quote for RSJ installation plus a few extras
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    • 6th Nov 17, 12:34 AM
    Fair quote for RSJ installation plus a few extras 6th Nov 17 at 12:34 AM
    Hi all

    Hope someone could give me their wisdom please.

    Had two quotes in for some work we want to try and get done:

    Install a 5m RSJ . This steel will carry weight of back wall and gable end ofof house. Will probably require some work to strengthen foundations where nib will be.
    Install a 3m RSJ that will "T" into the 5m one. This steel will carry first floor joists
    Remove some brick work below these steels (not full walls - what is there is more like brick pillars)
    Re-route a soil pipe and connect into drain at side of property
    Move a radiator
    Remove a light switch

    I've had two firm quotes so far, one £9900, the other £8800. Another builder had a quick look and gave me a ball park of £6-£10k.

    When I look online for what I could expect to pay for a basic steel I'm seeing prices of about £1500-2000. Which is making me think that £9k is rather a lot, even though I do have some additional things to do. But what do others think?

    In West Yorkshire area.

    Many thanks in advance
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    • martinsurrey
    • By martinsurrey 6th Nov 17, 8:45 AM
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    • 6th Nov 17, 8:45 AM
    Install a 5m RSJ . This steel will carry weight of back wall and gable end ofof house. Will probably require some work to strengthen foundations where nib will be.
    Install a 3m RSJ that will "T" into the 5m one. This steel will carry first floor joists
    Remove some brick work below these steels (not full walls - what is there is more like brick pillars)
    Re-route a soil pipe and connect into drain at side of property
    Move a radiator
    Remove a light switch

    I've had two firm quotes so far, one £9900, the other £8800. Another builder had a quick look and gave me a ball park of £6-£10k.

    When I look online for what I could expect to pay for a basic steel I'm seeing prices of about £1500-2000. Which is making me think that £9k is rather a lot, even though I do have some additional things to do. But what do others think?

    In West Yorkshire area.

    Many thanks in advance
    Originally posted by itgoodson
    Have you had the structural engineers plans drawn up yet?

    Your steel will have to be HUGE if its carrying 5m plus all the extra load.

    until you have firm requirements any quote is guess work.
    • itgoodson
    • By itgoodson 6th Nov 17, 9:10 AM
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    • 6th Nov 17, 9:10 AM
    Thanks - I have spoken to an SE who is able to give me a calc. Two builders who have given quotes came recommend by friends and said they have done lots of similar jobs so were willing to quote. The third said that ballpark figure 6-10k until I had a calculation and ideally a drawing.

    What I am tempted to do is accept the second quote of £8800 as he comes recommend. He is also a qualified engineer. Don't mind paying a bit more for a good job - espeiclaly when the integrity of the house depends on it.

    I'm just wondering if £8800 seems well above the odds, when a straightforward installation of steel and removal of wall is quoted online as £2k ish
    • phill99
    • By phill99 6th Nov 17, 10:19 AM
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    • 6th Nov 17, 10:19 AM
    The people that have quoted have given similar figures. They have based their quotes on access, workload, labour requirements and material costings.


    How on earth can you then say that the quote on a random website is accurate? Offer the people that have quoted £2k to do the job and see what response you get.
    Eat vegetables and fear no creditors, rather than eat duck and hide.
    • itgoodson
    • By itgoodson 6th Nov 17, 10:32 AM
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    • 6th Nov 17, 10:32 AM
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    • 6th Nov 17, 10:32 AM
    I appreciate the help. You misunderstand what I'm saying. The 2k figure I've seen on websites like The Building Sheriff is for a one off steel beam installation. Not the whole job!

    I'm wondering on the basis of this whether I could expect reasonably to get a quote around 5400 based on the following guesses-

    One steel = 2k
    Second smaller steel = 1k
    Re-route soil stack - 1k max surely?
    Rad move and light switch remove- 500 max?
    Add VAT 900
    • phill99
    • By phill99 6th Nov 17, 10:51 AM
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    • 6th Nov 17, 10:51 AM
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    • 6th Nov 17, 10:51 AM
    I appreciate the help. You misunderstand what I'm saying. The 2k figure I've seen on websites like The Building Sheriff is for a one off steel beam installation. Not the whole job!

    I'm wondering on the basis of this whether I could expect reasonably to get a quote around 5400 based on the following guesses-

    One steel = 2k
    Second smaller steel = 1k
    Re-route soil stack - 1k max surely?
    Rad move and light switch remove- 500 max?
    Add VAT 900
    Originally posted by itgoodson
    Well evidently not, as the three quotes you have had are considerably more than £5400.00
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    • itgoodson
    • By itgoodson 6th Nov 17, 11:01 AM
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    • 6th Nov 17, 11:01 AM
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    • 6th Nov 17, 11:01 AM
    Yes ... Though one was anywhere between 6-10 depending on what an SE says.

    I'm weighing up whether to take the 8800 price OR pay for an SE calc and prob a drawing too in hope that I can find a cheaper/fairer quote elsewhere.

    I have come on this forum to see if anyone thinks £8800 sounds about right - "is this quote fair".

    Neither quote has been itemised and the first builder whilst a nice guy didn't seem massively keen for the work, which makes me wonder if he put a high price in on basis that if he didn't get it he didn't care
    • martinsurrey
    • By martinsurrey 6th Nov 17, 11:52 AM
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    Yes ... Though one was anywhere between 6-10 depending on what an SE says.

    I'm weighing up whether to take the 8800 price OR pay for an SE calc and prob a drawing too in hope that I can find a cheaper/fairer quote elsewhere.

    I have come on this forum to see if anyone thinks £8800 sounds about right - "is this quote fair".

    Neither quote has been itemised and the first builder whilst a nice guy didn't seem massively keen for the work, which makes me wonder if he put a high price in on basis that if he didn't get it he didn't care
    Originally posted by itgoodson
    How can they give you an itemised quote if you dont have an itemised design!

    until you can answer the questions

    "what foundation work is required"
    and
    "what size and type of beam are required"

    they will be rough guesses at best.
    • Tom_Jones
    • By Tom_Jones 6th Nov 17, 6:42 PM
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    • 6th Nov 17, 6:42 PM
    Who's supplying the steels ?
    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 7th Nov 17, 9:27 AM
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    You should already have the steel calculations! When you say you don’t know if you should, that cost is going to be included in those builders’ quotes anyway. It has to be done.

    If you don't even know if the foundations need underpinning then how do you know that the quotes are comprehensive?

    You are not asking for a straightforward steel installation when you have more than one connecting in. Straightforward pricing times 1.5 does not apply!

    I don’t know many jobbing builders that are qualified structural engineers?!
    Everything that is supposed to be in heaven is already here on earth.
    • itgoodson
    • By itgoodson 7th Nov 17, 9:06 PM
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    Tom_jones and Doozergirl thanks for the replies.

    Steels - being supplied by the builder is all I know

    Yes I agree of course, calcs have to be done - the two quotes I have had in have included the cost of doing the calcs.
    Yes not many builders are SEs, but this one is. It's a bigger company. He's the head honcho.

    If people think that £8800 doesn't sound too far off for what I'm having done I'm inclined to accept. The builder giving that quote says it's 2 and a half week's work.
    • itgoodson
    • By itgoodson 29th Nov 17, 11:09 PM
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    Right, I have some kind of breakdown on the cost of fitting the steelwork for the above job.

    "
    Prelims, waste, prep, propping - £2350
    supply and install beams, remove masonry, box in and fireproof £4600
    Make good, including re-route soil pipe, move a radiator, move light switch - £1900
    "

    What do you think? Sound about right for installations of two rsjs (one load bearing)? I guess it's not too bad, but I just don't want to be a mug. The other builder I had in quoted £1k more, and an Structural Engineer thought it sounded about right.

    Many thanks
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