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    • bestyman
    • By bestyman 14th Oct 17, 7:20 PM
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    Buying an iphone in Hong Kong
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    • 14th Oct 17, 7:20 PM
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    Buying an iphone in Hong Kong 14th Oct 17 at 7:20 PM
    We will be going to Hong Kong and Bangkok in December.

    An iphone X is £200 cheaper in Hong Kong than UK, not sure of Thai price yet.

    Are there any problems with buying one abroad? It would be from an official Apple store so assuming any returns can be done in the UK store?

    What about VAT? Can I claim back the VAT in HK? Do I pay VAT on entry to UK?

    Thanks
    On the internet you can be anything you want.It`s strange so many people choose to be rude and stupid.
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    • malkie76
    • By malkie76 18th Oct 17, 9:30 PM
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    Thank you for conceding my point by not directly answering my very simple question.
    Legal team on standby
    • bigadaj
    • By bigadaj 19th Oct 17, 5:35 AM
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    Thank you for conceding my point by not directly answering my very simple question.
    Originally posted by malkie76
    I have, yo don't appear able to understand the world world, I'll leave you to it.

    Oh, and voluntary payment of national insurance is anther example.
    • stoneman
    • By stoneman 20th Oct 17, 4:21 PM
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    Nevertheless this website tends to take a dim view on methods of tax evasion.
    Originally posted by malkie76
    Funny that, but it positively encourages people to use every loophole available when it comes to shopping.
    The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.
    • uknick
    • By uknick 21st Oct 17, 3:01 PM
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    Probably won't be an issue buying in Hong Kong, but you might want to check which apps come installed on the phone. For example, Facetime is not on iPhones sourced from many middle eastern countries. And, it can't be installed later.
    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 22nd Oct 17, 11:52 AM
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    I have, yo don't appear able to understand the world world, I'll leave you to it.

    Oh, and voluntary payment of national insurance is anther example.
    Originally posted by bigadaj
    What does that have to do with tax that is legally owed?
    The clue is in the word "voluntary".
    I'm not legally required to pay NI as I'm currently non resident in the UK but I have opted to pay in order to ensure that my state pension will be paid out in full when I retire. (assuming that the UK hasn't gone bankrupt before then).
    Taxes, whether income tax, fuel tax or VAT, if owed are not voluntary.

    Nevertheless this website tends to take a dim view on methods of tax evasion.
    Originally posted by malkie76
    Funny that, but it positively encourages people to use every loophole available when it comes to shopping.
    Originally posted by stoneman
    If those loopholes are legal, what's wrong with advising or encouraging people to take advantage of them?
    • malkie76
    • By malkie76 22nd Oct 17, 1:46 PM
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    Loopholes (avoidance) are legal, tax evasion is not. That was the point I was making.
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    • stoneman
    • By stoneman 22nd Oct 17, 6:00 PM
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    If those loopholes are legal, what's wrong with advising or encouraging people to take advantage of them?
    Originally posted by shaun from Africa
    Because some of the loopholes advised on this site are near to being fraudulant, which is illegal, and not in the spirit of things to boot.
    The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.
    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 22nd Oct 17, 6:23 PM
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    Because some of the loopholes advised on this site are near to being fraudulant, which is illegal, and not in the spirit of things to boot.
    Originally posted by stoneman
    Well, if a loophole is "near to being fraudulent", this must mean that it is not actually fraudulent, hence that loophole is probably perfectly legal.

    As to the spirit of things.
    Provided that taxes are saved in accordance with the law, "the spirit" (or morality) shouldn't factor into money saving.
    • stoneman
    • By stoneman 23rd Oct 17, 2:00 PM
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    Well, if a loophole is "near to being fraudulent", this must mean that it is not actually fraudulent, hence that loophole is probably perfectly legal.

    As to the spirit of things.
    Provided that taxes are saved in accordance with the law, "the spirit" (or morality) shouldn't factor into money saving.
    Originally posted by shaun from Africa
    Sorry I should have said "are fraudulent" not near to.

    Using multiple email addresses and being encouraged to make up family members to maximise a loophole is fraud, hence illegal.

    I have done it in the past and I would bet that the majority on this site have done the same. So I'm not painting myself as virtuous but the hypocrisy that goes on is astounding.

    But that dissuasion is for another time
    The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.
    • onomatopoeia99
    • By onomatopoeia99 25th Oct 17, 9:45 AM
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    But certainly not avoidance.
    Originally posted by bigadaj
    Not declaring a personal import that is above the threshold is evasion. No shades of grey, no interpretation, it is evasion.
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    • bestyman
    • By bestyman 6th Dec 17, 3:10 PM
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    Back from Hong Kong and Thailand Holiday so thought would let you know how it went on and in case anyone else is thinking of buying there .
    We went to Apple shop in HK and they said you need to reserve on the morning, try 8 am and only a few a day. They are £700- £750 there.

    At 8 we were up anyhow (jet lag) and had iphones and ipads set up ready to log on and buy.

    We managed to reserve one and were very happy but think we were counting the chickens too soon.
    Next question was please enter HK mobile number within 30 minutes. We were using Three UK which was no good. I ran to reception in my PJs trying to explain to the receptionist that could I borrow his phone. He didn't speak good English ( or so he said).

    The following day we bought a HK PAYG SIM, logged on to Apple shop again and this time didn't get through to reserve one.

    Following day we fly early to Bangkok so gave it us as a bad job. In Thailand only £70 cheaper than UK so didn't bother
    On the internet you can be anything you want.It`s strange so many people choose to be rude and stupid.
    • DUKE
    • By DUKE 6th Dec 17, 3:33 PM
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    We bought an iPad very cheap online from China some years back, the only problems we had was waiting 6 weeks for delivery, & it was all in Chinese when it came. So we took it to the Apple Store who happily (no pun intended) sorted it out for us.
    Thanks everyone!
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