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    • minimad1970
    • By minimad1970 12th Oct 17, 3:40 PM
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    ESA help.
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    • 12th Oct 17, 3:40 PM
    ESA help. 12th Oct 17 at 3:40 PM
    My son who's a Uni student has applied for ESA, he returned his ESA50 at the beginning of september and is just waiting for an assessment appointment. He received a couple of payments and was told that was it as his student loan was too much. The lady explained that in the future if he passed the assessment he would receive some money. His fit note runs out at the end of the month.

    He's just received a text saying the following..
    We've received your Statement of Fitness For Work (fit note) and details of your Work Capability Assessment. Your ESA payment will continue. Please don't send us any more statements (fit notes). You don't need to contact us.

    I thought that you had to keep sending fit notes until the outcome of the assessment. Does this text mean he might start receiving some money? I'm also confused by the part of the text that says that they've received details of his work capability assessment as he hasn't been for one yet.
    Thanks for any help.
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    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 12th Oct 17, 4:15 PM
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    • 12th Oct 17, 4:15 PM
    I am presuming that your son is receiving PIP or DLA.

    As a student in university your son will automatically be assessed as having limited capability for work. However he will still be assessed as to whether he is put in the WRAG or Support group.

    That is why he is not required to send in any more fit notes.

    You could telephone and ask if/when a work capability assessment is going to be done.

    https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/how-we-can-help/individuals/education/frequently-asked-questions-students
    • minimad1970
    • By minimad1970 12th Oct 17, 4:39 PM
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    I am presuming that your son is receiving PIP or DLA.

    As a student in university your son will automatically be assessed as having limited capability for work. However he will still be assessed as to whether he is put in the WRAG or Support group.

    That is why he is not required to send in any more fit notes.

    You could telephone and ask if/when a work capability assessment is going to be done.

    https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/how-we-can-help/individuals/education/frequently-asked-questions-students
    Originally posted by pmlindyloo
    Thanks. Yes he's in receipt of DLA. I'll get him to ring them tomorrow.
    • epitome
    • By epitome 13th Oct 17, 12:12 AM
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    • 13th Oct 17, 12:12 AM
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    • 13th Oct 17, 12:12 AM
    This is correct, he is a student with DLA, and is therefore not required to send in sicknotes, and is automatically put into the WRAG group from the 14th week.

    If he applied for ESA to start after the 03/04/17 he will not receive any more money for being in the WRAG. Although if he is under 25 and has been receiving £57.90 a week...It might go up to £73.10 now that he is in the WRAG. (that's a good question to ask)

    When he has his medical assessment he does have to attend like any other claimant, the assessment is to determine if he qualifies for the Support Group.

    If he gets in SG his ESA award will increase.

    Don't phone DWP/ESA about the medical assessment
    It would be best to phone CHDA 0800 2888777.
    Make sure CHDA have the correct address for his post, and ask if a medical assessment appointment has been made yet.
    • minimad1970
    • By minimad1970 13th Oct 17, 10:23 AM
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    • 13th Oct 17, 10:23 AM
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    • 13th Oct 17, 10:23 AM
    Thanks epitome. The lady said he would receive some money if he does pass the assessment and gets out in a group. She didn't say it had to be the support group. She told me that because I queried if there was any point filling out the ESA50 and putting him through the assessment. So would it definitely need to be the SG for him to receive anything? He's 22 and received 4 payments of £57.90. Many thanks for your help.
    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 13th Oct 17, 10:58 AM
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    • 13th Oct 17, 10:58 AM
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    Epitome makes a good point about his automatically being in the WRAG group as he is automatically found to have limited capability for work.

    However, I think that despite this, (Epitome will correct me if I'm wrong) he will still only be entitled to the assessment phase of ESA (£57.90) for the first 13 weeks and after that he should receive at least the WRAG amount (£73.10) and after assessment will either continue to receive the WRAG amount or get the Support Group amount.

    Of course the amount he gets will be dependent on any student financial support he gets.

    What level of DLA is he getting?

    I have heard that this organisation is extremely good.

    https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/how-we-can-help/helplines/disabled-students-helpline
    • minimad1970
    • By minimad1970 13th Oct 17, 9:06 PM
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    • 13th Oct 17, 9:06 PM
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    • 13th Oct 17, 9:06 PM
    Thanks pmlindyloo. His DLA is low rate for both care and mobility.So if I'm understanding correctly he may receive some money after 13 weeks have passed whether he's had his assessment or not? I couldn't get him to ring today as he had a bit of a meltdown.
    Last edited by minimad1970; 13-10-2017 at 9:11 PM.
    • epitome
    • By epitome 13th Oct 17, 9:38 PM
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    • 13th Oct 17, 9:38 PM
    I will try to find out if (on this type of claim) under 25's are allowed to receive £73.10 when 13 (paid) weeks have passed.

    There's not much point in ringing them, they won't know the answer either. Actually, if you do ring them you could ask them to check if he is in the WRAG (tell them to look in screen JA791)...If they say...yes WRAG, then ask them to check his award (JA523 press F2) and see if his award is going up in the future to £73.10 from the 14th / 15th week. If this has been done yesterday , then a letter should be on it's way to him to tell hime this.

    His scenarios will be

    From the 14th week (after payments began, so it could be 15th week of the claim) He will continue to get £57.90

    or

    from the 14th / 15th week He will get £73.10

    If he attends his medical, and gets the Support Group... from the 14th / 15th week He will get £125.55

    If he misses the medical his claim will be closed

    He cannot fail the medical, as long as he attends & remains a full time student and continues to get DLA.
    Last edited by epitome; 15-10-2017 at 1:38 PM.
    • minimad1970
    • By minimad1970 14th Oct 17, 1:15 AM
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    Thank you both very much for explaining things in a way that "normal people" can understand
    • Stop Watch
    • By Stop Watch 14th Oct 17, 9:23 PM
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    I expect those students receiving less are happy to be healthy and well.
    Originally posted by BorisThomson
    They get PIP. I am talking like this as I have 2 kids at UNI and work 50 plus hours a week to help top up the money they receive. If my kids was getting a extra £70+ a week it would releave the stress I have providing.

    And before people say they could get a job, well they can't because they have to volunteer on days off from uni as part of the course.
    • minimad1970
    • By minimad1970 14th Oct 17, 11:35 PM
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    They get PIP. I am talking like this as I have 2 kids at UNI and work 50 plus hours a week to help top up the money they receive. If my kids was getting a extra £70+ a week it would releave the stress I have providing.

    And before people say they could get a job, well they can't because they have to volunteer on days off from uni as part of the course.
    Originally posted by Stop Watch
    They don't all get £70 a week ESA though due to student loans. My son only received money for 4 weeks at the end of the summer holidays, student loans don't cover 52 weeks of the year. He probably won't get anything now until he finishes uni in may. Perhaps just be happy that your kids are fit and well rather than envying others.


    Don't expend anymore of your energy replying as I won't see it.
    Last edited by minimad1970; 14-10-2017 at 11:43 PM.
    • epitome
    • By epitome 15th Oct 17, 1:44 PM
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    All "DLA/PIP receiving" full time students who claim ESA IR, like OPs son, will have their ESA IR affected by other income, such as student finance.

    So whatever his award is
    £57.90
    ¯£73.10
    £125.55
    The DWP will deduct the student income average and pay whatever is left, which may be nothing on all 3 rates above.

    I believe though that student maintenance for *these* (DLA/PIP) students is not taken into account in the summer break.
    Last edited by epitome; 15-10-2017 at 1:47 PM.
    • minimad1970
    • By minimad1970 16th Oct 17, 4:43 PM
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    All "DLA/PIP receiving" full time students who claim ESA IR, like OPs son, will have their ESA IR affected by other income, such as student finance.

    So whatever his award is
    £57.90
    ¯£73.10
    £125.55
    The DWP will deduct the student income average and pay whatever is left, which may be nothing on all 3 rates above.

    I believe though that student maintenance for *these* (DLA/PIP) students is not taken into account in the summer break.
    Originally posted by epitome
    I've just phoned and read the text to the lady who then checked his account. He's been placed in the support group for a year but she didn't know if he would receive any money or not. Thanks for all your advice.
    • Jack'sMum
    • By Jack'sMum 16th Oct 17, 6:09 PM
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    Hi Minimad,

    We have an almost identical situation! I needed a lot of help earlier in the year with my son's claim, he's a full time uni student on ESA. Below is the link to the thread I posted, some very helpful people on here gave me invaluable and very informative advice, have a read through as a lot of it will probably apply to your son too....

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5606697

    Jack'sMum
    • epitome
    • By epitome 16th Oct 17, 7:51 PM
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    I've just phoned and read the text to the lady who then checked his account. He's been placed in the support group for a year but she didn't know if he would receive any money or not. Thanks for all your advice.
    Originally posted by minimad1970
    I doubt he is in the Support Group(yet), but to be certain...I would first phone CHDA 0800 2888777

    And ask them....
    "Is there a live ESA referral for me?"

    If they say "yes" (that means he will not be in the Support Group, not yet anyway).....
    and you should then ask, "Has a decision been made yet if I am to have a face to face assessment?" and "Has the appointment for the assessment been made yet?"

    If they say "No" (that means he could be in the Support Group)
    and you should then ask "Has the Medical Report been written and sent to DWP?" ..."When was it written?"


    Depending on the answers you get from CHDA... I would then phone DWP ESA again and ask them again to look in screen JA791 and tell me what the latest PCA decision is showing as...
    Last edited by epitome; 16-10-2017 at 9:49 PM.
    • minimad1970
    • By minimad1970 16th Oct 17, 9:43 PM
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    Thanks epitome. Can I ask why you've said "I doubt he is in the support group". That's annoying if she's told me incorrectly. She went away and checked and definitely said he's been placed in the support group and no face to face assessment was required. I wish I hadn't told my son now as he was so relieved. I'll give the other people a ring tomorrow. Do you know if they will speak to me without my son being here. He has consent to share set up on his ESA and DLA. Thanks.
    • epitome
    • By epitome 16th Oct 17, 9:46 PM
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    She could be right, I only suggest that you confirm it with CHDA as suggested.

    CHDA won't tell you what group he is in, but they will confirm if the report has been written, and a face to face is therefore not required..........If so then the girl could have been right, you will know when the letter arrives.

    I just thought it was a bit quick,,that's all.
    Last edited by epitome; 16-10-2017 at 9:49 PM.
    • KxMx
    • By KxMx 18th Oct 17, 3:01 PM
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    Unfortunately you are at the limit of permitted savings for income related ESA, and are expected to spend those rather than have full benefit assistance in terms of ESA & CTR.

    I'd suggest it is a rainy day now. Once your capital drops then you can submit a change of circumstances, and a new award will be calculated. So you will not have to spend the whole 6k to qualify & will still have some money behind you.
    Last edited by KxMx; 18-10-2017 at 3:04 PM.
    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 18th Oct 17, 5:31 PM
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    Unfortunately you are at the limit of permitted savings for income related ESA, and are expected to spend those rather than have full benefit assistance in terms of ESA & CTR.

    I'd suggest it is a rainy day now. Once your capital drops then you can submit a change of circumstances, and a new award will be calculated. So you will not have to spend the whole 6k to qualify & will still have some money behind you.
    Originally posted by KxMx
    This is not correct. You can have up to £16000 in capital for income based ESA but for every £250 over £6000 a £1 is deducted from your ESA.

    So if you have £6000 then you should be getting the full amount of ESA (as long as you have no other income, including that of a partner)

    I suspect that the OP is talking about CT reduction rather than ESA.

    Perhaps the OP can confirm what benefits they are receiving? ESA? Income related/contribution based?

    Councils operate their own system as regards council tax reduction (with a few that are legislated for)

    Which council do you come under?
    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 18th Oct 17, 5:38 PM
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    For instance, this council's regulations mean that if you have savings/capital of £6000 or more then you are not eligible for council tax reduction.

    https://www.leicester.gov.uk/your-community/council-tax/discounts-exemptions-and-reductions/council-tax-reduction-scheme
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