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    • dramadrama
    • By dramadrama 12th Oct 17, 1:08 PM
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    Beating the big boys?
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    • 12th Oct 17, 1:08 PM
    Beating the big boys? 12th Oct 17 at 1:08 PM
    Hi all,

    just looking for some success stories really. I bought a new build property and it was July of last year. Its in a lovely village with fields and a lake. We were told that there would be a small village shop build in the open space behind the property, but 'nothing substantial' by the builder. a SMALL VILLAGE SHOP i can deal with. imagine my horror when I received notification if a planning application by a civils company to build a 4 story, building, consisting of 8 retail units and 65 flats right behind my house and a large car park. my garden is on an upward slope which means that if i stand on my decking i can see directly intot he sight and its is going to really bare down on my property. people will be bale to see right in as the back of my house is all bi-folding doors. I do not want Tesco delivering at 4/5am in the morning, boy racers doing doughnuts behind my house and a takeaway with all the smell of drifting into my house. Its supposed to be a village not a retail park. And all this next to the local primary school. Ive never seen something so ridiculous in all my life. S, several people are submitting their objections to the local planning department before permission is granted.

    What I want to know is "has anyone else beaten the big boys? I need some hope that my first home is not about to be completely ruined...
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    • aneary
    • By aneary 12th Oct 17, 1:13 PM
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    Not involved in any but there are several stories out there of supermarkets being refused planning.

    http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/news/campaigners-slam-tesco-for-appealing-against-planning-refusal-1-459140

    See one example above maybe research and find the reasons planning was refused, see if the same reasons can be used in your situation, note that you will be able to see it from your garden won't be a valid reason.
    • Slithery
    • By Slithery 12th Oct 17, 1:35 PM
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    • 12th Oct 17, 1:35 PM
    The only way you can guarantee that open land adjacent to your property won't be built on is by buying it yourself.

    Who 'told' you that there would only be a village shop, was it the developer by any chance?
    • theartfullodger
    • By theartfullodger 12th Oct 17, 1:45 PM
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    • 12th Oct 17, 1:45 PM
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    • 12th Oct 17, 1:45 PM
    Person buys new property that increases size of village is then upset that someone else wants to change & increase size of village (and employment possibilities) also.
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 12th Oct 17, 2:00 PM
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    In my experience these plans may get rejected in the first instance, then resubmitted and if still no joy appealed, and eventually it is passed. The developer will no doubt enter into a s 106 agreement with the council, and their money will override your objections.

    Got to agree with artful though. I expect many people objected to your development. It would be hypocritical to now complain about a development allowing others to move into the area.
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 12th Oct 17, 2:13 PM
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    • 12th Oct 17, 2:13 PM
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    Actually they only want a 3 storey with 6 retail units and 30 flats, so the developer puts in an application for a larger development then when council says no, modifies it and eventually gets approval
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 12th Oct 17, 2:32 PM
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    • 12th Oct 17, 2:32 PM
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    • 12th Oct 17, 2:32 PM
    "Misrepresentation" is the word for what happened to you - ie polite word for that builder lied his little !!!! off to you.

    Do you have it in writing anywhere that it would only be a "small village shop"?

    I am guessing that little lier only said that to you verbally and, in that case, I'm afraid I don't hold out a lot of hope you can have any comeback on them - other than telling everyone what they are like.

    But, if you've got it in writing that that is all it will ever be - then you may just have a chance.

    In your position - I'd be checking the sellers questionnaire that vendors complete and seeing if there was anything useful "in writing" there I might be able to work with.
    New Year's Resolution already made -

    Don't get mad....get firm ...
    • armchaireconomist
    • By armchaireconomist 12th Oct 17, 2:39 PM
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    Imagine the horror of the lovely, old village residents when they found out they were building a huge new housing estate that you eventually bought for the views whilst ruining someone elses. Swings and roundabouts.
    • LdnFtB
    • By LdnFtB 12th Oct 17, 3:04 PM
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    • 12th Oct 17, 3:04 PM
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    • 12th Oct 17, 3:04 PM
    Imagine the horror of the lovely, old village residents when they found out they were building a huge new housing estate that you eventually bought for the views whilst ruining someone elses. Swings and roundabouts.
    Originally posted by armchaireconomist
    Exactly! You can't have your cake and eat it. We've got a growing population and a chronic undersupply of housing.
    • saajan_12
    • By saajan_12 12th Oct 17, 4:39 PM
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    "Misrepresentation" is the word for what happened to you - ie polite word for that builder lied his little !!!! off to you.

    Do you have it in writing anywhere that it would only be a "small village shop"?

    I am guessing that little lier only said that to you verbally and, in that case, I'm afraid I don't hold out a lot of hope you can have any comeback on them - other than telling everyone what they are like.

    But, if you've got it in writing that that is all it will ever be - then you may just have a chance.

    In your position - I'd be checking the sellers questionnaire that vendors complete and seeing if there was anything useful "in writing" there I might be able to work with.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    Ignore this
    The vendor could only have told you what they thought at the time.. that only a small shop was planned. Plans can change, doesn't mean they lied.

    So no 'comeback' from the OP's vendor and certainly no way of stopping the unrelated retail development based on what a random seller said.
    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 12th Oct 17, 4:50 PM
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    Seen it on so many estates near us.

    The village greens, shop and nursery end up being scrubland followed by... more houses.
    Everything that is supposed to be in heaven is already here on earth.
    • dramadrama
    • By dramadrama 26th Oct 17, 11:50 PM
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    I didn't ask for people to be unhelpful and make snide comments, so those of you just just thought you'd comment for the hell of it need to grow up. Those of you to who answered with common sense and actually answered the question asked, really appreciate it. Looks like they are going to have to change their plans as they have had a lots of complaints. Also the development is right next to the primary school so people aren't happy about that as parking is a nightmare already. Fingers crossed.
    • dramadrama
    • By dramadrama 26th Oct 17, 11:51 PM
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    Zzzzzzzzzzz
    • bowlhead99
    • By bowlhead99 27th Oct 17, 12:18 AM
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    I didn't ask for people to be unhelpful and make snide comments, so those of you just just thought you'd comment for the hell of it need to grow up. Those of you to who answered with common sense and actually answered the question asked, really appreciate it.
    Originally posted by dramadrama
    Well, here is a common sense answer for you:

    You have basically just bought a NEW BUILD property in a village in 2016 and now in 2017 someone would like to build new properties in the same village and you are screaming NOT IN MY BACK YARD, HOW DO I STOP THESE BIG BOY BULLIES. And you think it is us that need to grow up?!

    Sorry, but people need housing and if the village is so nice that you are willing to pay someone hundreds of thousands of pounds to build you a new property in the village, why shouldn't another person pay hundreds of thousands of pounds to get a new property in that village too?

    Also the development is right next to the primary school so people aren't happy about that as parking is a nightmare already. Fingers crossed.
    You literally said in your opening post that one of the features of the developement was they were building retail units and flats and to go with them 'a large car park'. One assumes that people buying the flats in the village would like to be able to park their car, but voila - a large car park is being built for them, as part of the development. So, this does not create or exacerbate 'a parking nightmare'.

    If people are upset about the village school having a 'parking nightmare' they will learn to leave their car at home and get their children to school by other means. Or, they could change their workplace, their child's school, or their location of residence to make taking children to school less of a chore . It is ironic that they are currently participating in the conspiracy called 'traffic' and complaining that when they get there they are unable to park by the school because of all the selfish other people who want to create traffic and park by the school.

    Certainly, dramadrama seems an apt username - creating a drama out of nothing. Take a deep breath and get some perspective. If you have to go and stand on your decking on an uphill slope to see into the site, it doesn't sound like it is going to bear down on your property. It is only a four storey building. They are not proposing to put the 65 flats and 8 retail units in a tall thin 73 storey skyscraper. If they had, maybe you would have a point when you say you have 'never seen something so ridiculous in all my life'. But that is not what they are doing.

    Zzzzzzzzzzz
    Originally posted by dramadrama
    Well, quite. Let's all go back to the threads we started a fortnight ago, revitalise them with a complaint that nobody is telling us what we want to hear, and if we don't get a response within one minute, make another post to imply we are bored waiting for the response, or tired of what we are hearing from others.

    If you don't get the responses you would like, perhaps it is your expectations that need to be reset, rather than the attitudes of others.
    Last edited by bowlhead99; 27-10-2017 at 12:24 AM.
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 27th Oct 17, 5:50 AM
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    Hi all,

    just looking for some success stories really. I bought a new build property and it was July of last year. Its in a lovely village with fields and a lake. We were told that there would be a small village shop build in the open space behind the property, but 'nothing substantial' by the builder. a SMALL VILLAGE SHOP i can deal with. imagine my horror when I received notification if a planning application by a civils company to build a 4 story, building, consisting of 8 retail units and 65 flats right behind my house and a large car park. my garden is on an upward slope which means that if i stand on my decking i can see directly intot he sight and its is going to really bare down on my property. people will be bale to see right in as the back of my house is all bi-folding doors. I do not want Tesco delivering at 4/5am in the morning, boy racers doing doughnuts behind my house and a takeaway with all the smell of drifting into my house. Its supposed to be a village not a retail park. And all this next to the local primary school. Ive never seen something so ridiculous in all my life. S, several people are submitting their objections to the local planning department before permission is granted.

    What I want to know is "has anyone else beaten the big boys? I need some hope that my first home is not about to be completely ruined...
    Originally posted by dramadrama
    Trying to get my head around happy to purchase new development and objecting to new development.
    • tori.k
    • By tori.k 27th Oct 17, 6:59 AM
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    Coyte Farm springs to mind, they managed to stop the retail park development due to the adverse effects it would have on St Austell High Street, but it had a sting in tail for the local objectors you may find the same the retail park was stopped but planning is in for 150 house with a further 150 planned on the same site.
    So may come down to which you prefer.
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    • rjwr
    • By rjwr 27th Oct 17, 7:11 AM
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    There is one certain way to help yourself. Move house.
    But never spend money you don't have to buy things you don't want to impress people you don't like.
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    Originally posted by kidmugsy
    • elverson
    • By elverson 27th Oct 17, 8:04 AM
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    In general terms:

    If the site is 'allocated' for housing in the Local Plan or similar (see the local council website), it's more likely to be approved.

    If the council is behind with its 'Five Year Housing Land Supply', which is the case for many councils, it's more likely to be approved.

    If the council officers recommend the application for approval, the members are unlikely to vote against it as it then leaves the council having to defend a possible appeal by the applicant.
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 27th Oct 17, 8:16 AM
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    You had exactly the same chance and opportunity to find out about this development as the developer who sold you your house. They were privy to and had access to no more information than your solicitor could have obtained during the purchase. How could they know what another company may or may not be planning to do and, more to the point, why would they even bother to look into it? Finding that out is your job.
    • eddddy
    • By eddddy 27th Oct 17, 9:52 AM
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    "Misrepresentation" is the word for what happened to you - ie polite word for that builder lied his little !!!! off to you.

    Do you have it in writing anywhere that it would only be a "small village shop"?
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    Unfortunately, property contract law is different from other contract law.

    For example, if you were buying a car and the seller said (or wrote) something misleading - you could claim damages for misrepresentation.

    You can't do that with property. You can only rely on what is in the contract. You can't make a claim in respect of anything the seller said or wrote, if it's not in the contract.
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