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    • matrix2021
    • By matrix2021 11th Oct 17, 3:55 PM
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    Understanding Flight Prices (Las Vegas)
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    Understanding Flight Prices (Las Vegas) 11th Oct 17 at 3:55 PM
    Hi all,

    Firstly I've had a look at the help guide regarding ticket-splitting, but that hasn't really answered my question.

    I've been looking at flights for Vegas next year and been trying to understand the pricing surrounding the flights. I did a search through Skyscanner which returned a flight for £494 return from Manchester - but it wasn't direct, however the total journey time was only 13.5hrs. So I looked into the itinerary and the connection was at Heathrow with a wait of around 90min which isn't bad at all. So I then amended the search to fly direct from Heathrow to Vegas (on the assumption I could possibly get it cheaper and maybe get the train down and have a few days in London) but the exact same flight and plane came back as £1038 return?? I'm more curious as to how the ticketing works in this situation, because you're getting an extra flight with BA, but then getting the exact same transatlantic flight but it's costing more than double. Is it likely the price is incorrect in either case, or is there some kind of pricing strategy I'm not aware of?

    Thanks in advance.
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    • stevenhp1987
    • By stevenhp1987 11th Oct 17, 3:58 PM
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    • 11th Oct 17, 3:58 PM
    The price is correct and normal.

    Many flights are cheaper when you route through Heathrow.

    If you buy a Manchester to Vegas ticket, you must start at Manchester, if you miss the Manchester to Heathrow leg and try and start at Heathrow, your ticket will be cancelled - to stop people taking advantage of the cheaper fares.
    • richardw
    • By richardw 11th Oct 17, 3:59 PM
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    It's all about markets. MAN-LAS is a different market to LHR-LAS and hence different fares.

    Air fares have little to do with 'actual costs'.
    Posts are not advice and must not be relied upon.
    • bobbyhibs
    • By bobbyhibs 11th Oct 17, 4:23 PM
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    • 11th Oct 17, 4:23 PM
    hi

    unsure if it ll help but there is a las vegas thread on the site , There is alot of info on the front page of it, including a section about flights.
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5571164

    I think alot of flights to vegas are from london, Have you tried virgin atlantic? im sure they do manchester-vegas direct. unsure about the price though,

    hope this helps
    Last edited by bobbyhibs; 11-10-2017 at 4:26 PM.
    • littlereddevil
    • By littlereddevil 11th Oct 17, 6:46 PM
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    It is what it is. I regularly fly from Dublin or even Oslo to save £0000's on business class flights
    travelover
    • matrix2021
    • By matrix2021 11th Oct 17, 6:49 PM
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    Thanks for the responses.

    I see what you mean about the different markets and it does make sense. As long as it wasn't a fault and I can snag that decent price. Thanks again!
    • jpsartre
    • By jpsartre 11th Oct 17, 9:13 PM
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    People in Manchester will have a bunch of other one-stop options (through Amsterdam, Frankfurt, JFK, etc). If BA wants to compete with those they need to price their flights accordingly. People in London will have limited non-stop options (and only one option from LHR) so BA can charge extra for the convience of flying direct.
    • PeacefulWaters
    • By PeacefulWaters 12th Oct 17, 10:05 AM
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    That 90 minute changeover at LHR will include a terminal change too.

    Don't hang around admiring the pretty shops in T5.
    • marsman802
    • By marsman802 12th Oct 17, 10:39 AM
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    And people moan about BA being 'London Airways' - you get good deals with not being near London!
    • PeacefulWaters
    • By PeacefulWaters 12th Oct 17, 11:47 AM
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    And people moan about BA being 'London Airways' - you get good deals with not being near London!
    Originally posted by marsman802
    A typical connection from the sticks is still going to add four hours onto journey times though.

    Mind you, I did a Dublin>LHR>Vegas run last month and got upgraded from business to first. Maybe the early check in for the connecting flight increases upgrade opportunity too.

    Shame the service in first was mediocre.
    • Heliflyguy
    • By Heliflyguy 12th Oct 17, 12:05 PM
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    You need to check the classes that you quoted with in each case.

    Often lower fare classes will be available MAN-LHR-LAS than MAN
    -LHR / LHR-LAS

    Below is an example in 3 days time of booking a connection or booking each flight individually see Q class.

    1 MAN LHR 1400 1505 BA1395 J9 C9 D9 R9 I8 Y9 B4 H4 K2 M2 320 C*E
    «B» L2 V2 N2 Q1 OC S2 G1
    2 LAS 1640 1920 BA 275 F7 A6 J9 C9 D9 R9 I8 W3 E2 T1 744 C*E
    Y8 B4 H3 K3 M3 L3 V3 S3 N2 Q1
    OC G0


    4 MAN LHR 1400 1505 BA1395 J9 C1 DC R9 IC Y9 B4 H4 K1 M0 320 C*E
    «B» LC VC NC QC OC SC G1

    2 LHR LAS 1640 1920 BA 275 F7 A6 J9 C4 D1 RC IC W3 E2 TC 744 C*E
    «B» Y8 B4 H3 K3 M3 L3 V3 S3 N1 QC
    OC G0
    • bigadaj
    • By bigadaj 12th Oct 17, 12:50 PM
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    And people moan about BA being 'London Airways' - you get good deals with not being near London!
    Originally posted by marsman802
    But BA is probably behind several other airlines regionally, air France and klm certainly, Emirates, Qatar and etihad probably, and several others probably have more options from outside the south east.
    • PeacefulWaters
    • By PeacefulWaters 12th Oct 17, 2:21 PM
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    You need to check the classes that you quoted with in each case.

    Often lower fare classes will be available MAN-LHR-LAS than MAN
    -LHR / LHR-LAS

    Below is an example in 3 days time of booking a connection or booking each flight individually see Q class.

    1 MAN LHR 1400 1505 BA1395 J9 C9 D9 R9 I8 Y9 B4 H4 K2 M2 320 C*E
    «B» L2 V2 N2 Q1 OC S2 G1
    2 LAS 1640 1920 BA 275 F7 A6 J9 C9 D9 R9 I8 W3 E2 T1 744 C*E
    Y8 B4 H3 K3 M3 L3 V3 S3 N2 Q1
    OC G0


    4 MAN LHR 1400 1505 BA1395 J9 C1 DC R9 IC Y9 B4 H4 K1 M0 320 C*E
    «B» LC VC NC QC OC SC G1

    2 LHR LAS 1640 1920 BA 275 F7 A6 J9 C4 D1 RC IC W3 E2 TC 744 C*E
    «B» Y8 B4 H3 K3 M3 L3 V3 S3 N1 QC
    OC G0
    Originally posted by Heliflyguy
    And in the real world, what does that actually mean?
    • Heliflyguy
    • By Heliflyguy 12th Oct 17, 3:02 PM
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    And in the real world, what does that actually mean?
    Originally posted by PeacefulWaters
    It means that the lowest fare available MANLHRLAS is in Q class but if you just book LHRLAS it will have to be in the higher N class.

    Its a messy example granted but both flights show Q class when combined as a through fare but Q is not available if you show them as separate availability.
    • Doshwaster
    • By Doshwaster 12th Oct 17, 3:11 PM
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    But BA is probably behind several other airlines regionally, air France and klm certainly, Emirates, Qatar and etihad probably, and several others probably have more options from outside the south east.
    Originally posted by bigadaj
    BA is a long way behind other airlines when flying "East of Suez" but for transatlantic Economy there are as good (or as bad) as other European airlines and better than US carriers.

    If Emirates could fly UK to US direct then they would clean up on the routes.
    • bigadaj
    • By bigadaj 12th Oct 17, 3:28 PM
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    BA is a long way behind other airlines when flying "East of Suez" but for transatlantic Economy there are as good (or as bad) as other European airlines and better than US carriers.

    If Emirates could fly UK to US direct then they would clean up on the routes.
    Originally posted by Doshwaster
    My point was about route availability and options rather than quality of service, though I think several US Airlines have as many if not more regional options than BA.
    • marsman802
    • By marsman802 12th Oct 17, 10:28 PM
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    A typical connection from the sticks is still going to add four hours onto journey times though.

    Mind you, I did a Dublin>LHR>Vegas run last month and got upgraded from business to first. Maybe the early check in for the connecting flight increases upgrade opportunity too.

    Shame the service in first was mediocre.
    Originally posted by PeacefulWaters
    Ah I know - you pay for convenience in reality.
    Funnily enough my last route to Vegas was pretty similar.
    LHR>DUB>LHR>LAS to save about £500 in economy as I was booking a matter of days away. I only did it on my own - wife certainly wouldn't entertain it.
    • Murphy_The_Cat
    • By Murphy_The_Cat 12th Oct 17, 11:05 PM
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    Ah I know - you pay for convenience in reality.
    Funnily enough my last route to Vegas was pretty similar.
    LHR>DUB>LHR>LAS to save about £500 in economy as I was booking a matter of days away. I only did it on my own - wife certainly wouldn't entertain it.
    Originally posted by marsman802
    Mrs Cat used to think along the same lines as Mrs Marsman, but the reality of saving £500 x 4 and having a night in Dublin before the "proper" holiday has won her over.



    • baza52
    • By baza52 13th Oct 17, 12:35 AM
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    Flown to Vegas from Gatwick many times with Virgin Atlantic.
    Check out Norwegian Airlines as last time we went we used them and it was at least £300 cheaper per person and its still a direct LGW-LAS flight.
    After 20 flights with VA i will never use them again. They used to be good to fly with but now are like a budget airline as they have cut back on everything.
    • photome
    • By photome 13th Oct 17, 6:58 AM
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    It means that the lowest fare available MANLHRLAS is in Q class but if you just book LHRLAS it will have to be in the higher N class.

    Its a messy example granted but both flights show Q class when combined as a through fare but Q is not available if you show them as separate availability.
    Originally posted by Heliflyguy
    that still doesnt mean anything to most people.

    what is the difference between Q and N
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