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    • sovauye
    • By sovauye 7th Oct 17, 7:35 PM
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    PIP assessment- the useless point!
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    • 7th Oct 17, 7:35 PM
    PIP assessment- the useless point! 7th Oct 17 at 7:35 PM
    Anyone else noticed this?

    For section 3 (managing therapy) part (a) scores 1 point if awarded. But what use is this point if awarded? Every other points that can be awarded are all in multiples of 2, and the target scores to reach are also in multiples of 2.
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    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 7th Oct 17, 9:46 PM
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    Whats the point indeed !they are having a laugh arnt they ...
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    • By Ames 7th Oct 17, 10:08 PM
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    I think it's a psychological thing, they think that one point will 'feel' better than zero points. As if it's the difference between 'they don't believe anything I said' and 'at least they believe I have some problems'.

    There was a similar thing with one of the older benefits, where one point was awarded for 'claimant thinks that work will worsen their condition'.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.

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    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 8th Oct 17, 10:38 AM
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    There is one PIP descriptor that carries 3 points -
    4e. Needs assistance to be able to get in or out of a bath or shower. 3 points.

    Mostly useless, then!

    However, it can be helpful on appeal depending on the reason for the aid.
    If needed because of memory problems - then it may be possible to argue that the HCP has acknowledged memory difficulties, but failed to consider other activities for which memory difficulties would mean the claimant would not perform the descriptors reliably, to an acceptable standard, etc.
    • Uglymug
    • By Uglymug 16th Oct 17, 1:26 PM
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    • 16th Oct 17, 1:26 PM
    There's another anomaly.
    On the moving around you could get 0, 4, 8, 10 or 12 points.
    There's a descriptor that give 10 points, which is enough to give standard rate for mobility, to get enhanced rate you'd then need an extra 2 points from planning. Unfortunately there's no 2 point descriptor so you'll need to get at least 4 points.
    So there can be no possible difference in the outcome between these 2 descriptors:-
    c. Can stand and then move unaided more than 20 metres but no more than 50 metres. 8 points.
    d. Can stand and then move using an aid or appliance more than 20 metres but no more than 50 metres. 10 points
    The 10 point descriptor is redundant.
    Last edited by Uglymug; 16-10-2017 at 1:38 PM.
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