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    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 7th Oct 17, 6:09 PM
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    Esa hell ..desperate for feedback and advice anyone please :-)
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    • 7th Oct 17, 6:09 PM
    Esa hell ..desperate for feedback and advice anyone please :-) 7th Oct 17 at 6:09 PM
    Hi ...i have posted this on anothe forum but not getting the advice im looking for due to it being the weekend ..someone kindly gave me tbe link for here ..so here goes!
    I applied for ESA last year in November 2016 due to severersl conditions that i could no longer manage to work through anymore
    and went to the medical some time later which of course i failed.
    Iwent for a MR straight away ,failed and took it to tribunal.
    i claimed ESA at the assesemnt rate during this time.
    I then unbelievably missed two tribunals around march time due to a mix up and confusion with dates they had given me and my annoying cognative issues.
    i finally got to tribunal in May 2017 where they immedistely stated they woukd not be able to take my new evidence (of new conditions) into account as my claim was made in November.
    i basically failed on the spot because of this.
    i contacted ESA immediately while at the CAB and the man i spoke to said it was wrong of the tribunal to refuse my evidence and to re apply gor ESA again on the grounds of my new and worsening conditions .I semt in a fit note that day backing this up and was told to sign on jsa in the interim.
    I was then told by jsa before i had even had a payment that i had been put straight back onto ESA based on my fit note.I had not at this point even sent off new claim forms.
    I then remained on ESA untill my WCA last month.
    I then failed that too but with 6 points as apposed to 0.
    I asked for a MR and sent in more harder evidence including a letter from my doctor and the decision was overturned.
    I have now after a year of absaloute stress and turmoil been placed into the WRAG group.
    but my initial relief has turned to anxiety when i realised my "new claim"was made literally a few weeks after the cuts came in and i will now still be struggling just as much as i have been on the lowest rate of ESA and i imagine NO back pay .

    I do not know this for sure as i still have no award letter but this is how im guessing its going to be ?
    Unless the dwp back dates to my original claim back in Novemember last year due to my worsening and new conditions.I am still VERY confused by all of this and the idea of having to continue to live at subsistance level while being unwell and trying to support a family fills me with dread And my benefits have been all over the place due to being forced to claim jsa for a week.weve been to the food bank 3 times in the last few weeks..
    i realise this is a bit of a long post but any advice would be so gladly appreciated !so many thsnks in advance if anyone has the energy to read through it and give me some feed back !:-)
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    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 8th Oct 17, 8:43 AM
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    If your loan repayment is unmanageable then speak to the DWP. They may ask you to complete a statement of incomings and outgoings but will then set the repayment amount at something more manageable.
    Originally posted by IAmWales
    Thankyou iamwales yes i will probably need to do do that.
    • skcollobcat10
    • By skcollobcat10 8th Oct 17, 8:53 AM
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    I think if you daughter lives with you she has to pay her way with regards bed and board because she is not a dependant. This would have helped the financial strain that you have.
    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 8th Oct 17, 8:55 AM
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    I think if you daughter lives with you she has to pay her way with regards bed and board because she is not a dependant. This would have helped the financial strain that you have.
    Originally posted by skcollobcat10
    Thankyou ...i have just written a post about this ..:-)
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 8th Oct 17, 8:57 AM
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    My daughter gets a small loan .She is also chronically unwell and struggles her way admireably through uni.We have the same condition.Up untill she went to uni and i went on to ESA we both worked in the care profession.She does not want to claim for her illness and i respect that.She helps out when she she can but it is sporadic.I have had to borrow 100s from her over the last year (which i still owe her ) in order to keep my car on the road(which i need) and pay bills and other debts.We often have had no food in the house.This is very demeaning indeed since i am the parent not her.
    She already doesnt have much of a life due to her conditions and is trying to save to move out which is proving difficult ,so i wouldnt expect her to help more than she already does when she can . Apart from any of that, her situation is irrelevant to my ESA situation.
    I mention all this as im getting the distinct impression there are people on this forum that assume some people on ESA are benefits scroungers from some posts ive read.
    I dont think many people would choose to put themselves through the hell we as a family have been through the last year for 73 pounds a week purely to avoid going to work which i would give anything to be able to do And still very much hope to do in the future.
    Originally posted by fumin37
    I've just read through all the replies in your thread and i haven't seen 1 person accusing you of being a benefit scrounger. I've only read comments of others trying to help you!!
    • pipkin71
    • By pipkin71 8th Oct 17, 9:04 AM
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    I have had to borrow 100s from her over the last year (which i still owe her ) in order to keep my car on the road(which i need) and pay bills and other debts.We often have had no food in the house.This is very demeaning indeed since i am the parent not her.
    She already doesnt have much of a life due to her conditions and is trying to save to move out which is proving difficult ,so i wouldnt expect her to help more than she already does when she can.
    Originally posted by fumin37
    Unfortunately, the reality is, that you can't afford to carry your daughter. With no food in the house, your other child is suffering. Your eldest is an adult now and irrespective of if you are the mother or not, it is time for her to pay her way, which includes a contribution to household bills and the food that she eats.

    In different circumstances it would be your choice if you didn't accept a contribution but getting to the stage where there is no food in the house, I don't think you can continue to try and carry her, not when a portion of her student loan is for living expenses.
    There is something delicious about writing the first words of a story. You never quite know where they'll take you - Beatrix Potter
    • JJWSJS8700
    • By JJWSJS8700 8th Oct 17, 9:05 AM
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    I am sorry to har of your situation.

    I have, like you have been tortured over the past 2 years...myself having to make a 1st time Esa claim after I was made to visit a Doctor for the 1st time in 6 years.

    Don't listen to people who are sitting comfortably getting all the benefits but judging others.

    My only advice to you is to try and make DWP aware that your proof of illnesses/new claim was for the same illness and your claim should be assessed/included from 2016 before the Esa changes in March 2017.

    • pipkin71
    • By pipkin71 8th Oct 17, 9:09 AM
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    My only advice to you is to try and make DWP aware that your proof of illnesses/new claim was for the same illness and your claim should be assessed/included from 2016 before the Esa changes in March 2017.

    Originally posted by JJWSJS8700
    they would not be able to take my new evidence (of new conditions) into account


    The OP has said the new evidence was for new conditions, not the same illness
    There is something delicious about writing the first words of a story. You never quite know where they'll take you - Beatrix Potter
    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 8th Oct 17, 9:11 AM
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    Unfortunately, the reality is, that you can't afford to carry your daughter. With no food in the house, your other child is suffering. Your eldest is an adult now and irrespective of if you are the mother or not, it is time for her to pay her way, which includes a contribution to household bills and the food that she eats.

    In different circumstances it would be your choice if you didn't accept a contribution but getting to the stage where there is no food in the house, I don't think you can continue to try and carry her, not when a portion of her student loan is for living expenses.
    Originally posted by pipkin71

    Thankyou pipkin this is what im saying in my post ... ..shes a good girl and does what she can .she has her own expenses too .We are still very much struggling ..As i am sure you know, the cost of living right now is out of this world ..this is our reality im afraid.
    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 8th Oct 17, 9:13 AM
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    [/I]

    The OP has said the new evidence was for new conditions, not the same illness
    Originally posted by pipkin71
    It was for both a "worsening "of my origional diagnosed condition and a new diagnosed one pipkin .
    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 8th Oct 17, 9:18 AM
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    I am sorry to har of your situation.

    I have, like you have been tortured over the past 2 years...myself having to make a 1st time Esa claim after I was made to visit a Doctor for the 1st time in 6 years.

    Don't listen to people who are sitting comfortably getting all the benefits but judging others.

    My only advice to you is to try and make DWP aware that your proof of illnesses/new claim was for the same illness and your claim should be assessed/included from 2016 before the Esa changes in March 2017.

    Originally posted by JJWSJS8700
    I am sorry for yours too and everyone who goes through this.
    it is highly demeaning and distressing .you have my deepest sympathy.
    And yes as stated my "new"claim was based on a worsening of my origional condition(s) and a new one .
    All conditions are worse thsn ever now due to the chronic stress.
    i am sure you can relate and i hope things get sorted for you as soon as possible .
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 8th Oct 17, 9:23 AM
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    I am sorry to har of your situation.

    I have, like you have been tortured over the past 2 years...myself having to make a 1st time Esa claim after I was made to visit a Doctor for the 1st time in 6 years.

    Don't listen to people who are sitting comfortably getting all the benefits but judging others.

    My only advice to you is to try and make DWP aware that your proof of illnesses/new claim was for the same illness and your claim should be assessed/included from 2016 before the Esa changes in March 2017.

    Originally posted by JJWSJS8700
    No one had judged the OP!
    • pipkin71
    • By pipkin71 8th Oct 17, 9:27 AM
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    Thankyou pipkin this is what im saying in my post ... ..shes a good girl and does what she can .she has her own expenses too .We are still very much struggling ..As i am sure you know, the cost of living right now is out of this world ..this is our reality im afraid.
    Originally posted by fumin37
    It's not easy, fumin.

    I've not been in your position so have no first hand knowledge but I am a mum with two non dependents and have claimed both ESA and PIP.

    I do totally understand you not wanting to have a regular contributory amount off your daughter but at this moment in time, I honestly don't think you have a choice.

    Look at it like this: your daughter, living at home, having her own expenses and paying you a regular contribution is a lot cheaper than your daughter, living in her own place, having her own expenses and paying her own bills / buying food.

    I think you need to sit down and have a chat with her.

    Some other useful advice on the board was to speak with the DWP as you are struggling to repay the loan. Hopefully they can reduce the repayments so that will free up a bit more money.

    Good luck with it all
    There is something delicious about writing the first words of a story. You never quite know where they'll take you - Beatrix Potter
    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 8th Oct 17, 9:40 AM
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    Thankyou and i am appreciative of all replies i just feel sometimes the manor in which they can be delivered can feel slightly attacking.
    There are grey areas with everything and always reasons and situations going on behimd the scenes that people really cant and shouldnt make assumptions about.
    As for my daughter ..as i said she is good as gold and does help when she can but she is a young woman who also struggles with her own illnesses and i want her to have her own life not be dragged down by me and my issues .
    Thankyou for your feedback -)
    She basically keeps my car going as i cant and we all rely on the vehicle .she does her fair share.
    And as i said we STILL struggle hugely.
    My 17 year old boy as you can imagine is also very expensive.But they are both used to not "having"
    Even when i worked we still struggled as i was unwell alot of the time .
    I can assure you its been an extremely misereable few years for all of us .
    • pipkin71
    • By pipkin71 8th Oct 17, 9:56 AM
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    Thankyou and i am appreciative of all replies i just feel sometimes the manor in which they can be delivered can feel slightly attacking.
    Originally posted by fumin37
    That's possibly because the replies are written so you don't have any facial nuances to gage how replies are delivered.

    I do hope you didn't feel my replies were an attack on your situation. They were not meant in that way but I apologise if you thought they were. That was not my intention.

    ---------------------------

    How much is the car a necessity for you? You say you all rely on it, but if you didn't have it, could you manage?

    Having a car does make life easier but as it's an expense you can't afford, could you look at alternatives?
    There is something delicious about writing the first words of a story. You never quite know where they'll take you - Beatrix Potter
    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 8th Oct 17, 10:20 AM
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    Not at all pipkin ..and yes its very true posts can be very much mis
    read.
    But you can also get a general feel for things too.
    All angles have been covered.There isnt a day that goes by that i dont spend hours worrying and wracking my brains as to what i can do to allieviate the pressure.I would love to go back to work ideally but as my previous sick notes and time off work prove i am simply not in the right place ..and definitely not for 20 plus hours a week.
    I have periods of time where i am unable to bare weight on my feet due to different forms of arthritis .Also having a chronic pain condition and public transport being some distance away yes i do need my car very much so .I have seriously contemplated getting rid of it (its a 12 year old banger anyway and on its last legs)but its really not an option.I dont know how i would have coped without it with all the visits to CAB and various appointments ive had to attend recently.There is also the aspect of the small sense of freedom it gives me being slightly isolated.
    It has however predudiced my case before during the ESA .
    nightmare.
    There truly is nothing i can cut back on more than i do already unfortunately.
    Last edited by fumin37; 08-10-2017 at 10:23 AM.
    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 8th Oct 17, 10:30 AM
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    The only one good thing about getting the ESA Is that i will atleast have some breathing space now in terms of not being messed about and pulled off every 5 minutes.I can maybe just concentrate on getting the help and treatment i need for my illneses ..so that i can one day be in a better place to return to work ,Instead of constsntly worrying about whether or not i will be able to feed and support my son that week.
    thank heavens for small mercies eh ...
    • Cheeky_Monkey
    • By Cheeky_Monkey 8th Oct 17, 10:31 AM
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    Thankyou for your reply .Yes im sure kelpie .I have one dependant child who lives with me and my other one who is full time student non dependant.I recieve 57.00 child tax credits for him and 20.00 child benefit.
    housing benefit is N/A. CT is sorted .
    Originally posted by fumin37
    Is that because you own your own home?
    I used to be indecisive - now I'm not so sure
    • pipkin71
    • By pipkin71 8th Oct 17, 10:34 AM
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    Not at all pipkin ..and yes its very true posts can be very much mis
    read.
    But you can also get a general feel for things too.
    All angles have been covered.There isnt a day that goes by that i dont spend hours worrying and wracking my brains as to what i can do to allieviate the pressure.I would love to go back to work ideally but as my previous sick notes and time off work prove i am simply not in the right place ..and definitely not for 20 plus hours a week.
    I have periods of time where i am unable to bare weight on my feet due to different forms of arthritis .Also having a chronic pain condition and public transport being some distance away yes i do need my car very much so .I have seriously contemplated getting rid of it (its a 12 year old banger anyway and on its last legs)but its really not an option.I dont know how i would have coped without it with all the visits to CAB and various appointments ive had to attend recently.There is also the aspect of the small sense of freedom it gives me being slightly isolated.
    It has however predudiced my case before during the ESA .
    nightmare.
    There truly is nothing i can cut back on more than i do already unfortunately.
    Originally posted by fumin37
    Due to my own health issues and unable to walk the distance from the house to the nearest bus stop, I can understand why a car is easier. That being said, I don't drive. The limited times I leave the house, it's cheaper to use a taxi service than finance a car.

    If your car broke down tomorrow, it sounds as if you wouldn't be able to afford another one, so you would have no choice but to manage without.

    I honestly think you have to prioritise - relinquishing the car and asking your daughter for regular contributions would be a start. It is your choice though, others can only suggest things to you that they would perhaps change if in your situation
    There is something delicious about writing the first words of a story. You never quite know where they'll take you - Beatrix Potter
    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 8th Oct 17, 10:42 AM
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    Is that because you own your own home?
    Originally posted by Cheeky_Monkey
    No its not cheeky monkey .
    • fumin37
    • By fumin37 8th Oct 17, 10:56 AM
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    Due to my own health issues and unable to walk the distance from the house to the nearest bus stop, I can understand why a car is easier. That being said, I don't drive. The limited times I leave the house, it's cheaper to use a taxi service than finance a car.

    If your car broke down tomorrow, it sounds as if you wouldn't be able to afford another one, so you would have no choice but to manage without.

    I honestly think you have to prioritise - relinquishing the car and asking your daughter for regular contributions would be a start. It is your choice though, others can only suggest things to you that they would perhaps change if in your situation
    Originally posted by pipkin71
    Everyones circumstances are individual.
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