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    • longleggedhair
    • By longleggedhair 6th Oct 17, 10:55 PM
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    Pip application advice.
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    • 6th Oct 17, 10:55 PM
    Pip application advice. 6th Oct 17 at 10:55 PM
    From early childhood I have suffered with a number of chronic health problems & was on DLA from childhood until I was about 20 when I voluntarily stopped my claim (well I didn't renew it) as I had, in spite of my problems, started a job which I have loved for many years.

    However my health has deteriorated, quite drastically over the past year and I was finished on the grounds of ill health in the summer.

    A few weeks ago I applied for PIP, and returned the forms on Monday.

    Firstly I didn't have any medical evidence to hand, however from reading on here this is not necessary as the DWP will make enquiries.

    I just wondered what advice, tips, etc people have. I have been out of the system for many years so I'm quite unsure what to expect.

    Any ideas on timescales now (West Midlands) I understand things are a little quicker now. Thanks in advance to all.
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    • Ames
    • By Ames 7th Oct 17, 12:10 AM
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    I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I think you've misunderstood what you've read. Sending evidence to the DWP is vital as they almost never request it themselves.

    You'll be sent to a face to face appointment, they're variable (to say the least) in how accurately they represent your problems.

    If you're unable to work you should be applying for ESA as well as PIP. ESA is the 'income replacement' benefit, for people who can't work. PIP is for daily living and mobility costs and can be claimed in or out of work.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.

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    • longleggedhair
    • By longleggedhair 7th Oct 17, 12:55 AM
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    • 7th Oct 17, 12:55 AM
    I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I think you've misunderstood what you've read. Sending evidence to the DWP is vital as they almost never request it themselves.

    You'll be sent to a face to face appointment, they're variable (to say the least) in how accurately they represent your problems.

    If you're unable to work you should be applying for ESA as well as PIP. ESA is the 'income replacement' benefit, for people who can't work. PIP is for daily living and mobility costs and can be claimed in or out of work.
    Originally posted by Ames
    Thanks Ames, what's the likely impact of not sending in evidence? I've read many posters on here who've either not had letters, or not been able to afford the doctors fees & have applied and been successful. I understood it to be that in the event of the initial application, the onus was on the DWP to collect evidence.

    As regards ESA, I'm looking into that presently.
    Last edited by longleggedhair; 07-10-2017 at 12:58 AM.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 7th Oct 17, 6:08 AM
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    Thanks Ames, what's the likely impact of not sending in evidence? I've read many posters on here who've either not had letters, or not been able to afford the doctors fees & have applied and been successful. I understood it to be that in the event of the initial application, the onus was on the DWP to collect evidence.

    As regards ESA, I'm looking into that presently.
    Originally posted by longleggedhair
    I'm afraid that's incorrect, it's not the DWP's job to get any evidence, Ames is right. When you recieved the PIP2 form there's a list of evidence that you can send, i know this because i've just returned this form for my daughter. Yes you may have read on here that afew people have been awarded PIP even though they haven't sent in any evidence BUT this is very rare. It's very rare for DWP to contact any medical professional. If they contacted people for evidence then the backlog would be even longer than it already is. Evidence can be anything from a dairy written by yourself, to a letter from someone that knows you well, a full list of all your prescription meds from you GP.

    The chances of being refused are much higher if you don't send in evidence to support your claim. PIP is about proving that those descriptors apply to you.

    Timescales vary accross the country and totally depends on backlog in your area. If i were you i'd start to at least write a diary and maybe ask someone that knows you well to write a letter for you. You can then take these to the assessment when you go.
    Last edited by poppy12345; 07-10-2017 at 6:11 AM.
    • Prinzessilein
    • By Prinzessilein 7th Oct 17, 7:50 AM
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    The DWP MAY make enquiries....but very often they do not.

    When I recently made my PiP application I included a medical assessment that was about 10 years old (But was still relevant as it refers to a lifelong condition I have). ...I also gave the details of my current GP and specialists....the DWP used the old assessment when making their judgement, but did not contact anyone whose details I had given.

    The onus is not on the DWP to gather evidence...but on you to supply all the relevant evidence.

    As you have sent off your paperwork, I would now suggest that you make a determined effort to gather evidence....IF you have a face-to-face then the assessor MAY be prepared to look at it even though it was not submitted with your application.....if they do NOT accept the new evidence (which is quite likely - they can be very rigid, as they work pretty much from a set script/plan) then you will have it ready to submit when you appeal.

    And do as Ames has suggested...look into ESA as well as PiP.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 7th Oct 17, 8:29 AM
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    If you're not past the deadline date for returning the form/evidence, you could ring DWP to extend the time for the evidence to be sent. Ask them to add a note on the computer that you're sending in evidence.
    • longleggedhair
    • By longleggedhair 7th Oct 17, 11:04 AM
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    • 7th Oct 17, 11:04 AM
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    Thanks for the advice, I'll call my GP & consultant on Monday! I understood though people have difficulty getting letters etc from their GP? Plus I don't recall ever sending off evidence for DLA, they contacted my GP etc themselves, is this how PIP works?
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 7th Oct 17, 11:21 AM
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    • 7th Oct 17, 11:21 AM
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    Thanks for the advice, I'll call my GP & consultant on Monday! I understood though people have difficulty getting letters etc from their GP? Plus I don't recall ever sending off evidence for DLA, they contacted my GP etc themselves, is this how PIP works?
    Originally posted by longleggedhair
    That was for DLA and this is now for PIP. They are completely different, PIP is nothing like DLA was. As stated mutliple times in the above posts they very often don't contact any GP or any other medical professional for any evidence.

    Here's a link for the PIP descriptors, i'd advice you to have a look at these because this is what PIP is all about. Gaining those points for an award. 8 points for Standard and 12 points for Enhanced, in either/or Daily living and mobility.
    http://www.focusondisability.org.uk/personal-independence-payment-PIP-assessment-points.html
    Last edited by poppy12345; 07-10-2017 at 11:32 AM.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 7th Oct 17, 11:41 AM
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    There's also a PIP self test that you can do. It doesn't mean you'll score those points because evidence will be needed, but it'll give you some idea.
    http://www.mybenefitsandwork.co.uk/pip/indexxx.php
    • Ames
    • By Ames 7th Oct 17, 12:39 PM
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    The easiest, and probably quickest, way to get evidence is to ask your GP practice to photocopy letters sent to them from your specialists. There'll be a charge, which is capped at £50.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.

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    • Mandy53
    • By Mandy53 8th Oct 17, 10:31 AM
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    Hi everyone,
    I,m new to the forum and just wondered how i start a new thread /post? It relates to Personal Independence Payment and i would be grateful if someone can advise on how i post a new thread as i can,t find this anywhere on the forum site? Thank you
    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 8th Oct 17, 10:45 AM
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    Hi everyone,
    I,m new to the forum and just wondered how i start a new thread /post? It relates to Personal Independence Payment and i would be grateful if someone can advise on how i post a new thread as i can,t find this anywhere on the forum site? Thank you
    Originally posted by Mandy53
    Welcome.

    Click on Forum on green bar at the top of the page.

    Scroll down to Disability Money Matters and click on that.

    Click on New Thread - blue box and voila you can start your own thread.
    • Mandy53
    • By Mandy53 8th Oct 17, 11:01 AM
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    Thank you pmlindyloo :unfortunately i don,t see the blue box to start a new thread and can only see Post Reply (in red) ,subscribe to thread and thread tools? Do i need to wait for a duration of time from joining before i can post a new thread?
    • Mandy53
    • By Mandy53 8th Oct 17, 11:02 AM
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    Hi pmlindloo, it,s okay i think i,ve found it now ,thank you for your help.
    • longleggedhair
    • By longleggedhair 9th Oct 17, 7:17 PM
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    Called today, consultant & Drs are doing supporting letters. Will also do a diary (got a copy from the CAB. How long should I do it for?).

    Also does anyone have experience/advice of when I should expect my assessment? Feeling very nervous about the whole process at the minute. Thanks for your help.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 9th Oct 17, 8:45 PM
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    Called today, consultant & Drs are doing supporting letters. Will also do a diary (got a copy from the CAB. How long should I do it for?).

    Also does anyone have experience/advice of when I should expect my assessment? Feeling very nervous about the whole process at the minute. Thanks for your help.
    Originally posted by longleggedhair
    I'd advice to do the diary for at least a week. Time scales vary accross the country. It's like saying how long is a piece of string really. It depends on the backlog in your area. Just remember that when you do get that date, you can only change it once.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 9th Oct 17, 8:53 PM
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    Re: assessment :
    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/your-assessment/

    There are some useful sites on PIP:
    CAB Advice Guide (per above);
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/547146/pip-assessment-guide.pdf Pages 86 on are helpful, and give you an indication of how the descriptors and activities should be interpreted and scored;
    The points / activities / descriptors page poppy linked to is vital - it's how PIP will be decided.
    The B & W site also has useful guides - http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/images/image/samples/dla/sample_pip_jan17_v24.pdf;
    It's possible a disability charity linked to your condition also offers PIP guidance i.e.
    https://www.mssociety.org.uk/ms-resources/claiming-personal-independence-payment-booklet

    Have you kept a copy of your PIP form?
    It's important that you fully described the impact your condition has on doing the relevant activities reliably, to an acceptable standard, and in a reasonable time scale.
    It's a good idea to have the descriptors / points to hand and ensure the form gets you up to the necessary 8 points.
    You need to fit your conditions to the activities, and show how and why points should be awarded.

    PIP is based on your abilities on the majority of days (i.e how you are on 183 days over a year).
    It helps if your diary shows a period long enough to capture a typical period (particularly if your condition varies).

    If, you feel, your PIP2 form wasn't persuasive enough - the suggestion that you contact the PIP help line re submitting additional info is worth following. And you can always take more info to the assessment, and request that it be forwarded on to DWP decision maker (they may be able to do that).

    You do have appeal rights if the decision goes against you. And there is always the option to reapply.

    When you do the ESA50 form, be aware that it is also points based - so please look at the available guides which will help you complete it to a standard that gives you the best chance of an award. Or you could get advice from your local CAB / advice agency.
    With ESA it is more tricky to reapply, so a knowledge of how ESA works; the best way to complete the form, submitting relevant medical evidence becomes important.
    If you have NI contributions in the last 2 tax years you are likely to be eligible for contribution-based ESA.
    Your local CAB could do a benefit check for you.

    Please don't rely on forum posts -i.e. "however from reading on here this is not necessary as the DWP will make enquiries." - the info you have been given above, to date, is accurate. But some posters can dispense drivel, judgements, and incorrect info.
    Please use authoritative guides or visit an advice agency .
    Last edited by Alice Holt; 09-10-2017 at 9:00 PM.
    • longleggedhair
    • By longleggedhair 9th Oct 17, 8:55 PM
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    I'd advice to do the diary for at least a week. Time scales vary accross the country. It's like saying how long is a piece of string really. It depends on the backlog in your area. Just remember that when you do get that date, you can only change it once.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    Thanks Poppy.
    • longleggedhair
    • By longleggedhair 15th Oct 17, 11:48 PM
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    Much to my surprise, I have had a letter from Capita on Saturday advising I will have my medical on Friday (less than two weeks after submitting my application) they have also said it will be a home visit, which I didn't request, but am relieved about.

    I have now got letters from Dr & Consultant, and have forwarded to the DWP along with my diary, and also have took copies which I will give to the assessor on the day (the letter said I could do this).

    I'm feeling quite sick and nervous at the prospect of this interview, and I wondered if you could give me any advice/ dos & donts.

    Thanks
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 16th Oct 17, 8:05 AM
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    Much to my surprise, I have had a letter from Capita on Saturday advising I will have my medical on Friday (less than two weeks after submitting my application) they have also said it will be a home visit, which I didn't request, but am relieved about.

    I have now got letters from Dr & Consultant, and have forwarded to the DWP along with my diary, and also have took copies which I will give to the assessor on the day (the letter said I could do this).

    I'm feeling quite sick and nervous at the prospect of this interview, and I wondered if you could give me any advice/ dos & donts.

    Thanks
    Originally posted by longleggedhair
    I've never had a home assessment but the process it still the same. They'll ask you questions based on what you wrote on the form. They'll be watching you from the minute they arrive to the minute they leave. Don't just answer with a yes or no, give as much detail as possible. If you're claiming for mobility issues then they may ask you to do some exercises, IE stand on tip toes, raise your arms, lift your legs etc. If you can't do any of these just tell them and the reasons why. A few days after the assessment you can ring DWP and ask for a copy of the report, this will give you some idea how the decision will go. Mostly they go with what's written in the report. Good luck.
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