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    • emdoug
    • By emdoug 4th Oct 17, 10:38 AM
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    Medical Appointments
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    • 4th Oct 17, 10:38 AM
    Medical Appointments 4th Oct 17 at 10:38 AM
    Just looking for some advice,
    I've recently found out I'm pregnant its still early days so don't really want to tell my employer yet,
    I've only worked here 2 months. I've got an appointment with the midwife today. I emailed my boss on Monday morning about the appointment as I was only given it Friday and I was off work on A/L.
    Yesterday he emailed back stating it was fine to attend the appointment but also added "Remember the employee handbook though".

    this has worried me as it states that breach of the policy could lead to disciplinary action ect. So should I tell my boss as I can imagine I'm going to need to attend quite a few appointments? If i don't tell them can they actually use disciplinary action against me for attending appointments?
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 4th Oct 17, 10:41 AM
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    Yes ofcourse. If they don't know they cant implement maternity policy can they??
    • emdoug
    • By emdoug 4th Oct 17, 10:46 AM
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    Yes ofcourse. If they don't know they cant implement maternity policy can they??
    Originally posted by Comms69
    Okay I probably should of been clearer I'm only around 5/6 weeks obviously I would need to tell them but i wanted to wait until I was 11/12 weeks first. But I'm worried about disciplinary action for attending appointments until I'm ready to tell them.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 4th Oct 17, 10:49 AM
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    Okay I probably should of been clearer I'm only around 5/6 weeks obviously I would need to tell them but i wanted to wait until I was 11/12 weeks first. But I'm worried about disciplinary action for attending appointments until I'm ready to tell them.
    Originally posted by emdoug


    Well your first scan isn't until 12 weeks, so what other appointments do you expect to have ?


    The fact is if you don't tell them, they don't know. So have to follow standard policy - which I assume is: book A/L for appointments
    • emdoug
    • By emdoug 4th Oct 17, 10:52 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 10:52 AM
    Well I had a doctors appointment on Friday (Already had the time off) and I've got a midwife appointment today but I have no idea if I will need any other appointments before scan as I've not been pregnant before. All I want to know is can they fire me for attending appointments.
    • kathrynha
    • By kathrynha 4th Oct 17, 10:56 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 10:56 AM
    Ask your midwife at today's appointment about what other appointments you can expect, then you know whether you are going to need to tell your employer yet.
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    • By Undervalued 4th Oct 17, 10:58 AM
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    Well I had a doctors appointment on Friday (Already had the time off) and I've got a midwife appointment today but I have no idea if I will need any other appointments before scan as I've not been pregnant before. All I want to know is can they fire me for attending appointments.
    Originally posted by emdoug
    Well leaving aside the pregnancy (or other unlawful discrimination) they can fire you for any reason, or no reason at all, during your first two years just by giving you contractual notice.

    Pregnancy gives you a fair bit of protection but only if you tell them!
    • Placitasgirl
    • By Placitasgirl 4th Oct 17, 11:15 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 11:15 AM
    Surely it's in your best interests to inform the relevant person (HR Officer/Director) in confidence about your pregnancy?

    Not only does this give you protection as an employee, but would explain why you might be a little off colour or tired at this time? Early days of pregnancy can be a challenge and surely not having to worry about things like getting fired for attending appointments is something you could do without? Do stress that you're informing the business in confidence and do not want this personal information shared until you're ready to do so yourself.

    Good luck with your pregnancy!
    • seashore22
    • By seashore22 4th Oct 17, 11:18 AM
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    For a normal pregnancy I wouldn't expect there to be enough appointments to worry about before 12 weeks. I'm fairly sure that a scan at 12 weeks is the first appointment that most women have. Numerous appointments before that stage would be pointless.

    Personally I would have your scan and, all being well, tell your employer then.

    I told my employers very quickly about my own pregnancy on the basis that if all went well they needed to know and if something went wrong then they may also need to know. People can't support you if they are unaware.
    Last edited by seashore22; 04-10-2017 at 11:21 AM.
    • bouicca21
    • By bouicca21 4th Oct 17, 11:28 AM
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    So what does the employee handbook actually say?
    • emdoug
    • By emdoug 4th Oct 17, 11:34 AM
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    So what does the employee handbook actually say?
    Originally posted by bouicca21
    16. POLICY ON TIME OFF WORK FOR MEDICAL AND DENTAL APPOINTMENTS

    This policy contains information on your entitlements in relation to unpaid time off work to attend medical and dental appointments.

    Your responsibilities

    Where possible you are requested to arrange any medical or dental appointments outside working hours. If this is not possible you must obtain permission from the Director before taking any time off and appointments should be arranged at the beginning or end of your working day to minimise any disruption to the Firm.

    Breach of this policy may result in disciplinary action. Any periods of absence that are unauthorised may be treated as gross misconduct and could lead to your dismissal without notice from the Firm. Unauthorised absence will not be subject to pay.

    Your entitlements

    Unless otherwise agreed, you will not be paid for any time off as a result of medical or dental appointments, with the exception of antenatal appointments.

    Procedure

    You should notify the Director immediately as soon as possible, giving full details of the date and time of the appointment.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 4th Oct 17, 11:41 AM
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    perfectly reasonable policy, and even quite clearly highlights the maternity aspect
    • emdoug
    • By emdoug 4th Oct 17, 11:58 AM
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    I'm not disputing the policy, I just don't understand why he attached it to the email telling me to remember it. It's just worrying me that's all but I have a meeting with my boss Monday anyway just a standard monthly review so may just tell him then just to make things easier.
    • bap98189
    • By bap98189 4th Oct 17, 12:14 PM
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    I'm not disputing the policy, I just don't understand why he attached it to the email telling me to remember it.
    Originally posted by emdoug
    Probably because you are a new employee and this is the first time you have had time off for an appointment. It's a friendly way of saying "Ok we do allow people time off for appointments, but don't take the p1$$".
    • trailingspouse
    • By trailingspouse 4th Oct 17, 12:14 PM
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    It seems perfectly reasonable to me to remind you about the handbook. It's the sort of thing most of us put at the back of the drawer and forget about, so he's just reminding you that stuff you need to know is in there.

    Beware speaking in confidence - when I was pregnant with my son, I told the Branch Director, in confidence (had had problems in the past, didn't want to tell everyone until I was further along). He must have told the Regional Director (which I guess is fair enough) - but at the Christmas party the Regional Director's WIFE came bouncing up to me saying 'Congratulations!! When's it due??' in quite a loud voice. I wasn't impressed.
    • ohreally
    • By ohreally 4th Oct 17, 12:21 PM
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    Can you get appointments outside working hours or is flexitime an option?
    • kingfisherblue
    • By kingfisherblue 4th Oct 17, 12:38 PM
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    Whilst I can understand that you don't want anyone to know just yet, you also need to consider what your job entails. A pregnancy risk assessment may be necessary.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 4th Oct 17, 12:45 PM
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    There was nothing untoward in the response from the manager. He was simply advising you that you are expected to book appointments outside working hours where possible.
    Once you tell them you are pregnant the rules change to your benefit.
    • FBaby
    • By FBaby 4th Oct 17, 12:46 PM
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    He is reminding you because it says that you won't be paid for taking time off for appointment unless it is for antenatal appointments.

    It is therefore up to you to declare your pregnancy, or if you don't want to at this stage, either accept that you won't be paid for the time you take off, or you'll need to arrange appointments outside of work.

    If your appointment on Friday with the doctor was just to confirm the pregnancy, then this is unlikely to be counted as antenatal appointment. The appointment with the midwife will be. As already suggested, speak with your midwife (you could have contacted her earlier) to see whether she could offer you appointment outside of your working hours. Some are flexible, some are less, but my experience is that they will always try as much as they can.
    • 74jax
    • By 74jax 4th Oct 17, 7:45 PM
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    Remember also when they say you need another appointment, you don't need to take that time or date. Just say you'll call them back once you've booked the date of work.

    Too be honest though, you know you're pregnant, I'd just arrange the midwife appointment for a few weeks time. Or even wait until after the scan. Can you register with midwife over the phone?
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