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    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 3rd Oct 17, 10:33 PM
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    are cyclists suppose to stop for cars here?
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 10:33 PM
    are cyclists suppose to stop for cars here? 3rd Oct 17 at 10:33 PM
    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5110737,-0.0536656,3a,75y,185.48h,61.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCjg0vOjMtTIeRhZvmhEoBA!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

    I'm drive through here every so often, from north to west. you can clearly see the cycle lane and the joining traffic have give way markings but it never ceases to amaze me that cars always stop for the cycles and have to wait for a gap before proceeding.

    Out of curiosity what would happen if i just carried on driving at my 20mph speed and a cyclist did not stop on the give way and crashed into me?
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    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 3rd Oct 17, 10:35 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 10:35 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 10:35 PM
    driving southbound sutton street joining cable street.
    • Warwick Hunt
    • By Warwick Hunt 3rd Oct 17, 10:38 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 10:38 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 10:38 PM
    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5110737,-0.0536656,3a,75y,185.48h,61.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCjg0vOjMtTIeRhZvmhEoBA!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

    I'm drive through here every so often, from north to west. you can clearly see the cycle lane and the joining traffic have give way markings but it never ceases to amaze me that cars always stop for the cycles and have to wait for a gap before proceeding.

    Out of curiosity what would happen if i just carried on driving at my 20mph speed and a cyclist did not stop on the give way and crashed into me?
    Originally posted by seatbeltnoob
    They'd fall off.
    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 3rd Oct 17, 10:45 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 10:45 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 10:45 PM
    liability wise.
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 3rd Oct 17, 10:56 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 10:56 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 10:56 PM
    liability wise.
    Originally posted by seatbeltnoob
    You have priority: they must give way.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 3rd Oct 17, 11:13 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 11:13 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 11:13 PM
    You have priority: they must give way.
    Originally posted by Car 54
    If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way; you would be crossing a cycle lane, treat it like a crossroads.

    • Robisere
    • By Robisere 3rd Oct 17, 11:47 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 11:47 PM
    It's a continuous Cycle Lane, so must be treated as any other junction. Since vehicle traffic on Cable Street has priority over vehicle traffic joining from Sutton Street, cyclists in the Cable Street cycle lane, have the same priority as Vehicles on Cable Street.

    Which means that the answer to your question is: you would stand a good chance of being prosecuted.

    (Takes deep breath, stands back to wait for the inevitable appearance of dissenting"experts")
    There may be more than one way to skin a cat.
    But the result is always inedible.

    • bris
    • By bris 4th Oct 17, 12:05 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 12:05 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 12:05 AM
    Sutton St joinining Cable st? It obvious you need to give way. The cycle lane is on Cable st so you are the one coming from the side road. Its basic stuff for any driver.
    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 4th Oct 17, 12:54 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 12:54 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 12:54 AM
    Sutton St joinining Cable st? It obvious you need to give way. The cycle lane is on Cable st so you are the one coming from the side road. Its basic stuff for any driver.
    Originally posted by bris
    have you seen the road markings? it's clear that the markings were designed for sutton street traffic to merge right into cable street. in fact the cable street has to stop and give way to sutton street joiners.

    All other traffic have give way markings on their path
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 4th Oct 17, 7:17 AM
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    If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way; you would be crossing a cycle lane, treat it like a crossroads.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    No. The cycle lane on Cable Street has a give-way line. If a cyclist crosses the line such that you have to alter your course or speed then he commits an offence. He can never have priority.
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 4th Oct 17, 7:29 AM
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    Like any other hazard you have to be aware and slow down and prepare to stop.
    • RichardD1970
    • By RichardD1970 4th Oct 17, 7:43 AM
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    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5110737,-0.0536656,3a,75y,185.48h,61.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCjg0vOjMtTIeRhZvmhEoBA!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

    I'm drive through here every so often, from north to west. you can clearly see the cycle lane and the joining traffic have give way markings but it never ceases to amaze me that cars always stop for the cycles and have to wait for a gap before proceeding.

    Out of curiosity what would happen if i just carried on driving at my 20mph speed and a cyclist did not stop on the give way and crashed into me?
    Originally posted by seatbeltnoob
    Maybe the other drivers you see doing that are just nice, courteous drivers who know that it is a lot more effort for a cyclist to stop, then get going again than it is for them to do the same.

    But hey, be an ignorant twonk and just plow into them, then you can explain to the nice police that you had right of way, so that's alright then. (do you really take that corner at 20?).

    TBF, if the cyclist rides into you then they are the idiot. If you drive into them, well, it gets a little more complicated.
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 4th Oct 17, 9:06 AM
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    As pointed out - the Give Way markings in the blue cycle lane are quite obvious so the cyclist should give way... I'd be very wary myself just because a significant number of London cyclists would either ignore or not recognise the markings and I wouldn't want to be the subject of continued debate in the Evening Standard about evil drivers vs saintly cyclists.
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    • martinsurrey
    • By martinsurrey 4th Oct 17, 10:14 AM
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    Maybe the other drivers you see doing that are just nice, courteous drivers who know that it is a lot more effort for a cyclist to stop, then get going again than it is for them to do the same.

    But hey, be an ignorant twonk and just plow into them, then you can explain to the nice police that you had right of way, so that's alright then. (do you really take that corner at 20?).
    Originally posted by RichardD1970
    " nice, courteous drivers "

    so you mean the town planners design a road layout, but you expect drivers morals to overrule it?

    and the driver that follows the rules of the road is the "ignorant twonk" while the cyclists that dont are all good?

    why aren't you calling the cyclists ignorant twonks for not following basic road markings?
    • missile
    • By missile 4th Oct 17, 10:42 AM
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    I always try to be courteous to other drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. It does irk me how many cyclists ride on pavements, ignore signs and take a chevalier attitude to their own safety.

    I can't recall which MP it was who wanted to introduce legislation that in the event of a collision the car driver would always be considered to be at fault.
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    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 4th Oct 17, 10:46 AM
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    As pointed out - the Give Way markings in the blue cycle lane are quite obvious so the cyclist should give way... I'd be very wary myself just because a significant number of London cyclists would either ignore or not recognise the markings and I wouldn't want to be the subject of continued debate in the Evening Standard about evil drivers vs saintly cyclists.
    Originally posted by NBLondon
    It's not should but must, as it's a legal requirement.
    "Rule 172

    The approach to a junction may have a ‘Give Way’ sign or a triangle marked on the road. You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road."
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 4th Oct 17, 11:13 AM
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    It's not should but must, as it's a legal requirement.
    "Rule 172

    The approach to a junction may have a ‘Give Way’ sign or a triangle marked on the road. You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road."
    Originally posted by Car 54
    In Leeds we have a 'Cycle super highway' on our driver training course we were told the Highway code havent caught up yet. Its very confusing.
    The cycle highway is meant to be a 'one way lane' but it obviously isnt.

    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 4th Oct 17, 11:40 AM
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    so you mean the town planners design a road layout, but you expect drivers morals to overrule it?
    Originally posted by martinsurrey
    I expect town planners to sometimes design an ineffective and inappropriate layout and some drivers/riders to apply common sense and courtesy to avoid conflict.
    It's not should but must, as it's a legal requirement.
    Originally posted by Car 54
    I was using "should" in the sense of an expectation rather than the legal wording - but you are (often) right. In this case the cycle lane is not "emerging" because it is already on the main road - hence the explicit Give Way markings to show the priority.
    take a chevalier attitude to their own safety.
    Originally posted by missile
    Especially the ones wearing stripy shirts and berets while transporting strings of onions on their bike.
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    • martinsurrey
    • By martinsurrey 4th Oct 17, 11:54 AM
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    I expect town planners to sometimes design an ineffective and inappropriate layout and some drivers/riders to apply common sense and courtesy to avoid conflict.
    Originally posted by NBLondon
    is it not common sense to stop at a give way sign!!!!!!

    is it not common sense to follow the highway code!!!!!

    it is 100% dangerous to stop for cyclists when its your right of way,

    you stop, they start crossing, the drivers in the other direction don't (maybe obscured view), and we get a flat cyclist and its their own fault, you would fail your driving test if you did it on the test.
    • molerat
    • By molerat 4th Oct 17, 1:02 PM
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    ................... I expect town planners to sometimes usually design an ineffective and inappropriate layout ....................
    Originally posted by NBLondon
    Corrected for you I am amazed how many schemes put traffic (all traffic not just one type) into conflict by defying common sense. Most planners must only ever travel by bus or train !
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