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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 3rd Oct 17, 3:11 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 3:11 PM
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    Maybe I'm missing something, but ............... 3rd Oct 17 at 3:11 PM
    Maybe I'm missing something, but, why doesn't Ryanair hire some of the, now jobless, Monarch pilots, so they don't have to cancel any more of their flights?
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    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 3rd Oct 17, 3:18 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 3:18 PM
    Maybe I'm missing something, but, why doesn't Ryanair hire some of the, now jobless, Monarch pilots, so they don't have to cancel any more of their flights?
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    I read somewhere that it's probably not that simple.
    Ryanair operate 737s planes, Monarch's fleet is (was) different planes (with the exception of one 737 if I've got it right).
    • bertiewhite
    • By bertiewhite 3rd Oct 17, 3:33 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 3:33 PM
    Given that a lot of Ryanair pilots have left because of the way they were treated, I doubt the "glorified bus drivers" would want to work for them, would they?
    • leylandsunaddict
    • By leylandsunaddict 3rd Oct 17, 4:08 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 4:08 PM
    Monarch fly Airbus, Ryanair fly Boeing. Monarch pilots would have to retrain. I doubt very much Ryanair would be wanting to pay for it!.

    EZY are hiring pilots and VS have set up a fast track path to support both Monarch pilots and cabin crew.
    • Westin
    • By Westin 3rd Oct 17, 4:11 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 4:11 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 4:11 PM
    Monarch fly Airbus, Ryanair fly Boeing. Monarch pilots would have to retrain. I doubt very much Ryanair would be wanting to pay for it!.

    EZY are hiring pilots and VS have set up a fast track path to support both Monarch pilots and cabin crew.
    Originally posted by leylandsunaddict
    Exactly that plus pay and conditions very likely inferior at Ryanair.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 3rd Oct 17, 4:38 PM
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    Exactly that plus pay and conditions very likely inferior at Ryanair.
    Originally posted by Westin
    Which may be preferable to unemployment
    • leylandsunaddict
    • By leylandsunaddict 3rd Oct 17, 5:00 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 5:00 PM
    Which may be preferable to unemployment
    Originally posted by sheramber
    Possibly not after its cost them a lot of money to retrain. Easyjet are running drop in information sessions and recruitment days for Monarch pilots and cabin crew as part of their on going recruitment drive.
    • Westin
    • By Westin 3rd Oct 17, 5:14 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 5:14 PM
    Which may be preferable to unemployment
    Originally posted by sheramber
    Other options are available.
    • Gloomendoom
    • By Gloomendoom 3rd Oct 17, 8:29 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 8:29 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 8:29 PM
    My neighbour is/was a pilot for Monarch. I can't see him beating a path to Ryanair's door until he has completely run out of other options.
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    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 3rd Oct 17, 9:20 PM
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    Other options are available.
    Originally posted by Westin
    hen he wouldn't be unemployed.

    if there is nothing else but unemployment what does he do?
    • mgdavid
    • By mgdavid 4th Oct 17, 12:58 AM
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    hen he wouldn't be unemployed.

    if there is nothing else but unemployment what does he do?
    Originally posted by sheramber
    maybe you're unaware but unemployment is extremely unlikely for qualified and experienced aircrew right now. There is, if anything, a shortage which if travel trade forecasts are correct will only get more acute over the coming few years.
    A salary slave no more.....
    • Sicard
    • By Sicard 4th Oct 17, 8:58 AM
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    There's always the option of unglorified bus driver jobs.
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    • alanrowell
    • By alanrowell 4th Oct 17, 9:16 AM
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    Which may be preferable to unemployment
    Originally posted by sheramber
    There's big demand for pilots, they won't be unemployed for long.
    • onomatopoeia99
    • By onomatopoeia99 4th Oct 17, 9:26 AM
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    Which may be preferable to unemployment
    Originally posted by sheramber
    Eight or nine years ago, maybe, when there was a downturn and airlines were closing. Not today. There is no possibility of unemployment

    I was talking to a Ryanair pilot on Monday and he was explaining the job market for pilots. Basically demand outstrips supply by a lot and it is getting worse over the coming years, not better. Ryanair made noises to the effect that Monarch pilots were welcome to join them pretty much straight away when the receivership announcements was made, but everyone knows they can do better and Ryanair would be a last resort.

    The person I was talking to is leaving Ryanair in a few months for a different employer with much better pay and terms and conditions. His opinion of O'Leary is the same as mine, not a good one.
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    • codger
    • By codger 4th Oct 17, 11:02 AM
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    Weight has been and always will be a major factor in aviation math, and if pax will insist on traveling with more than the clothes they're wearing then airlines will likewise insist on extracting from them as much money as possible for hold baggage.

    As it's long been obvious that the presence of Michael O'Leary is an excessive burden, the time has surely come for Ryanair to charge him the same as it does any other passenger on a short-haul flight: £27 every 2 hours of every day of every week, this to continue until such time as Mr O'Leary understands that flying isn't for him and that he should go back to being a newsagent.
    • mikeeboy
    • By mikeeboy 4th Oct 17, 11:30 AM
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    Shortage of pilots, airlines collapsing..... all bad news for the consumer
    • codger
    • By codger 4th Oct 17, 12:21 PM
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    Shortage of pilots, airlines collapsing..... all bad news for the consumer
    Originally posted by mikeeboy
    What shortage of pilots???

    As to airlines collapsing, I'm amazed Monarch got away for so long, trading at so great a loss: the figures it posted for last year were so appalling that there could never have been any reasonable expectation of commercial survival.

    The bad news for the consumer, as far as I'm concerned, is what happens now that Monarch's management and directors have pocketed their fat salaries and it seems the rest of us are stuck with the £30 million bill (or more) for flying Monarch customers home again.
    • daveyjp
    • By daveyjp 4th Oct 17, 12:32 PM
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    "the rest of us are stuck with the £30 million bill (or more) for flying Monarch customers home again"

    An incorrect statement - the taxpayer does not cover the bill.

    ATOL exists to cover this situation.

    For every airline ticket sold the airline pays the CAA for ATOL Protection Insurance - it's £2.50 a ticket.

    One reason Monarch went down is they couldn't afford the ATOL payments.
    • PeacefulWaters
    • By PeacefulWaters 4th Oct 17, 1:30 PM
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    "the rest of us are stuck with the £30 million bill (or more) for flying Monarch customers home again"

    An incorrect statement - the taxpayer does not cover the bill.

    ATOL exists to cover this situation.

    For every airline ticket sold the airline pays the CAA for ATOL Protection Insurance - it's £2.50 a ticket.

    One reason Monarch went down is they couldn't afford the ATOL payments.
    Originally posted by daveyjp
    I don't believe ATOL covers flight only bookings.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 4th Oct 17, 1:59 PM
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    I don't believe ATOL covers flight only bookings.
    Originally posted by PeacefulWaters
    The answer to that is, Yes it does, in some cases.

    Does ATOL cover flight-only bookings?

    Yes, in some cases. If you book a flight with an ATOL holder (either direct or through a travel agent) and you get an ATOL Certificate as soon as you make payment, your booking is protected if the ATOL holder fails and the ATOL holder is also obliged to offer a refund should the airline that you are booked with fail financially.
    by ATOL
    https://www.caa.co.uk/ATOL-protection/Consumers/Exceptions-to-ATOL-protection/
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