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    • gibboian
    • By gibboian 2nd Oct 17, 9:19 PM
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    Wrong Registration because of a courtesy car
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    • 2nd Oct 17, 9:19 PM
    Wrong Registration because of a courtesy car 2nd Oct 17 at 9:19 PM
    Last week a car was parked at a railway station and the driver bought the required pay and display ticket. There is no ANPR system that he is aware of.

    By mistake the driver entered the registration number of my car that was in for service, rather than the courtesy car that I had for the day. A PCN was attached to the car from E S PARKING ENFORCEMENT LTD

    They are a member of the IPC

    The car was "loaned" by the dealer but Im not certain what the agreement was as I didn't keep a copy. I can get this of course. They aren't aware (yet) of the notice.

    What next? appeal to the PPC and inform the dealer not to pay if they receive a NTK?
    Last edited by gibboian; 03-10-2017 at 11:56 PM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 2nd Oct 17, 9:26 PM
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    What next? appeal to the PPC and inform the dealer not to pay if they receive a NTK?
    Yes indeed, and tell them if they get a letter, to please name you as the person who was the 'day-to-day keeper/hirer', with your name and address (and NOT to say 'driver' because the dealer DOES NOT KNOW, WAS NOT THERE, and you do not agree that the driver will be named).

    Tell the dealer that by naming you as the hirer/keeper, they discharge liability completely. You could even give them a template letter if they aren't sure, so they transfer liability properly, to protect their interests.

    Oh, and you now need to edit and delete some of what you've said about about who parked! NOW!
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 04-10-2017 at 1:17 AM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • gibboian
    • By gibboian 4th Oct 17, 12:15 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 12:15 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 12:15 AM
    Thanks for the advice regarding the post. I am ready to send the standard IPC template letter to the PPC.

    I assume that the "story" is irrelevant to this issue?

    and once sent I just sit it out?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 4th Oct 17, 1:20 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 1:20 AM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 1:20 AM
    The story is irrelevant, yes. But don't use the IPC template, use the 'hirer/lessee' version written by Edna Basher, lower in the first post of the NEWBIES thread, the one about the POFA para 13/14.

    Your main danger is the dealer getting more letters, paying, then charging you, hence why you do need to reply as hirer.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 05-10-2017 at 9:22 AM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • gibboian
    • By gibboian 5th Oct 17, 8:02 AM
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    • 5th Oct 17, 8:02 AM
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    • 5th Oct 17, 8:02 AM
    Thanks again

    This letter requests a POPLA code but the PPC doesn't use this service it uses Independent Appeals service? does this matter or should I just sent it anyway?
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 5th Oct 17, 8:08 AM
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    • 5th Oct 17, 8:08 AM
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    When I take my car for a service, the dealer lens me a courtesy car. However, it is for my use only. If I allowed anyone else to drive it I would be breaching the same agreement and that person might be driving without insurance.

    Your dealer obviously has a different arrangement.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 5th Oct 17, 9:23 AM
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    • 5th Oct 17, 9:23 AM
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    • 5th Oct 17, 9:23 AM
    When I take my car for a service, the dealer lens me a courtesy car. However, it is for my use only. If I allowed anyone else to drive it I would be breaching the same agreement and that person might be driving without insurance.

    Your dealer obviously has a different arrangement.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    That's not the same everywhere - my local garage gives us a courtesy car and knows either of us will drive it, but only one of us signs for it.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 5th Oct 17, 9:25 AM
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    • 5th Oct 17, 9:25 AM
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    • 5th Oct 17, 9:25 AM
    Thanks again

    This letter requests a POPLA code but the PPC doesn't use this service it uses Independent Appeals service? does this matter or should I just sent it anyway?
    Originally posted by gibboian
    Remove that bit.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • gibboian
    • By gibboian 7th Oct 17, 1:46 PM
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    • 7th Oct 17, 1:46 PM
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    • 7th Oct 17, 1:46 PM
    Coupon-Mad Thanks for your help so far .. can I just check

    The Edna Basher is described as “sent in response to a non-compliant Notice to Hirer”.

    I haven't received this notice, only the windscreen PCN has been issued.

    I have spoken to the dealer to explain that I will deal with this, do I need them to write to the PPC? They aren’t planning to.

    Should I still send the letter now?
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 7th Oct 17, 4:22 PM
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    This is a con and a judge would be unlikely to be impressed if they took you to court.

    It may also be an unfair term in a consumer contract, unreasonable behaviour under CPR 27.14(2)(g), and, if they pass your details todebt collectors, a breach of your DPA rights.

    I should not worry, they are going nowhere with this one.
    Last edited by The Deep; 07-10-2017 at 4:32 PM.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
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