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    • User1312
    • By User1312 2nd Oct 17, 1:33 PM
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    Tearing my hair out about ovens!
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    • 2nd Oct 17, 1:33 PM
    Tearing my hair out about ovens! 2nd Oct 17 at 1:33 PM
    Hi hope you can help. I picked an oven to replace the existing built under oven in our kitchen. Kitchen is being replaced completely in next 3-4 years so I'm not looking for an expensive one. Problem is, the builder said the one I picked out is too wide, and gave me new measurements to work to, but I cannot find any built under ovens with the below widths! Have I misunderstood or am I just not looking properly? I assumed all build-under appliances were the same width but this gap seems narrower. Thanks

    Recess dimensions:
    Width - 560mm
    Height - 720mm
    Depth - 570mm
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    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 2nd Oct 17, 2:23 PM
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    • 2nd Oct 17, 2:23 PM
    The "standard" unit size for a built in oven is 600mm - The carcase will be 18mm for good quality units, 15mm for the cheap ones.

    600mm - 2*18mm = 564mm - Close to what you have measured. Picking an oven at random (a Zanussi ZPVF4130X) and having a look at the dimensions...


    At 560mm wide, it should slide in the hole nicely as would most other similar ovens.
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    • User1312
    • By User1312 3rd Oct 17, 7:32 AM
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    Hmm I see so I need to look at the installation guide on some of these to see if they say min 560? Thank you
    • martinsurrey
    • By martinsurrey 3rd Oct 17, 10:41 AM
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    Hmm I see so I need to look at the installation guide on some of these to see if they say min 560? Thank you
    Originally posted by User1312
    You can be almost 100% certain that EVERY built in oven will be designed to fit a 600mm cabinet, which means the rear of the oven will be 560mm with a 18mm edge around the front.
    • User1312
    • By User1312 3rd Oct 17, 12:43 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 12:43 PM
    This was the one I was looking at and it says min 597 so I don't think it will work? http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/media.markselectrical.co.uk/manuals/IDU6340BL.pdf
    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 3rd Oct 17, 1:13 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 1:13 PM
    If it is a "built under" oven, then it is free standing and does indeed require a 600mm gap. Instead of the IDU6340BL, have a look at the IDD6340BL (note the slight difference in model number), this one is a "built in" and should fit the gap you have.

    http://docs.whirlpool.eu/_doc/19514925800_GB.pdf

    It is somewhat confusing with "built in" and "built under" ovens... One question - The space you have to fit the oven, is there a cabinet there that the existing oven slides in to ?

    A photo or two might help.
    Last edited by FreeBear; 03-10-2017 at 1:16 PM.
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    • User1312
    • By User1312 3rd Oct 17, 1:46 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 1:46 PM
    I'll take a picture tonight and post up. The oven that's there at the moment is 595mm wide if you include the door, but the back bit which slots into the gap is only 560mm. It's an Indesit FIM 31.

    The one you've posted is the correct width I think but wrong height! I only have 720mm height because it's not going at eye level, it's going under the worktop.
    • Ant555
    • By Ant555 3rd Oct 17, 3:36 PM
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    It's an Indesit FIM 31.
    .
    Originally posted by User1312
    The manual for your existing oven suggests the dimensions for an under the counter installation require a gap of 560mm wide x between 575 and 585 tall x 547 deep.

    Where has the suggested height of 720 come from? IS that the gap between the underneath of your counter top and the top of the kickboard (ie the cabinet hight?) - Is there a 'shelf' forming the opening, on which your current oven sits?

    If this is the same oven then those dimensions can be seen in the manual here
    http://kitchen.manualsonline.com/manuals/mfg/indesit/fim_31_ka_ix_gb.html?p=2
    Last edited by Ant555; 03-10-2017 at 3:42 PM.
    • User1312
    • By User1312 4th Oct 17, 12:46 PM
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    • 4th Oct 17, 12:46 PM
    OK so I've attached some images; the gap that the oven is in now, and a (not to scale) rough drawing I did with the measurements. This is the oven I wanted: http://bit.ly/2gaO7Ge and this is its installation guide http://www.stoves.co.uk/media/549804/ST-SEB600FP.pdf

    Current oven space: https://ibb.co/kQWVDw
    Diagram: https://ibb.co/dx51Lb

    Hope this helps (sorry I can't rotate the first image)

    We have another issue in that I've been told that if the oven that's in there in the moment hasn't been hard-wired, we'll need an electrician if we wanted to install a double one. So we may have to have another single anyway (or pay a few hundred)
    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 4th Oct 17, 1:14 PM
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    Looking at the manual, the SEB700FPS will fit into the space you have. What you currently have, is a 600mm oven housing designed to take a "standard" built-in oven. The draw front and supporting "shelf" could be removed to fit a taller oven - That would give you up to ~680mm in height to play with.

    If you wanted to fit a built-under oven, then the existing housing could be removed to give you a 600mm gap.

    The SEB700FPS will require new wiring, but that may not be a bad thing - There appears to be quite a bit of heat damage on the existing socket, so that needs investigating. That said, it may just be heat scorching from the rear of the old oven. Difficult to tell from this distance
    Last edited by FreeBear; 04-10-2017 at 1:16 PM.
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    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 4th Oct 17, 1:17 PM
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    That is a shelf with a filler panel at the bottom of your unit. You just take those out! The filler panel is there for when people have single ovens.

    Just for illustration, look at the picture of this oven installed. There is no filler panel.
    https://www.howdens.com/appliance-collection/ovens/lamona-built-under-double-fan-oven/

    Just take it out a buy a proper sized double oven!
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    • User1312
    • By User1312 4th Oct 17, 1:20 PM
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    Thank you. Looking at the manual it seems there are 3 different ways of installing.

    If we look at:
    Method 2: Housing unit with
    internal height less than
    710m

    It has this drawing: https://ibb.co/nQS13w

    This leads me to believe we could even keep the side housing, and just removing the bottom plinth and it could even still fit? Is that correct?

    How much is it usually for new hard wired?
    • User1312
    • By User1312 4th Oct 17, 1:22 PM
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    That is a shelf with a filler panel at the bottom of your unit. You just take those out! The filler panel is there for when people have single ovens.

    Just for illustration, look at the picture of this oven installed. There is no filler panel.
    https://www.howdens.com/appliance-collection/ovens/lamona-built-under-double-fan-oven/

    Just take it out a buy a proper sized double oven!
    Originally posted by Doozergirl
    Thanks Doozer, it's more the width that's the problem! With the casing on the side the gap is only 565mm wide so I was looking for one which would fit that recess. I think I've found one now!

    So hoping that an electrician won't charge too much to hard wire it in, I think it'll be ok!
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