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    • sillygoose
    • By sillygoose 30th Sep 17, 12:10 PM
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    Monarch in trouble again...
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    • 30th Sep 17, 12:10 PM
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    Monarch in trouble again... 30th Sep 17 at 12:10 PM
    Official MoneySavingExpert.com Insert 2 October 2017:

    Hi everyone

    Please see our Monarch Airlines collapse - latest info and your rights guide and our Visa, Mastercard & Amex Chargeback and Section 75 refunds guides.

    Back to sillygoose's original post...

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4935154/Is-Monarch-brink-again.html

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/monarch-airline-may-be-close-to-collapse-6csjng90z

    I used to enjoy flying Monarch, not least for the short check-in queues at some airports..

    But have not touched them since a couple of years ago they decided to withdraw a route after taking bookings on it, leaving me in the lurch with booked accommodation but scratching around for flights after the good deals on others had already been sold. They were then reluctant to refund suggesting I should re-book flights with them to somewhere I didn't want to go to instead! How to lose a customer forever: Lesson #1
    Last edited by MSE Andrea; 03-10-2017 at 11:47 AM.
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    • jackieblack
    • By jackieblack 2nd Oct 17, 6:51 AM
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    I'm impressed with the arrangements and how much info the CAA have put out so quickly.
    Disappointing news for many but at least no-one should be left wondering.
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    • jackieblack
    • By jackieblack 2nd Oct 17, 6:55 AM
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    Thoughts are with peoples who’s forthcoming holidays are disrupted, but above all else the staff at Monarch. Who had no part to play in this mess but now find themselves jobless.
    Originally posted by bagand96
    Agreed

    Although I guess the pilots will all be aware of another airline who are a bit short atm...
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    • bagand96
    • By bagand96 2nd Oct 17, 6:57 AM
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    I'm impressed with the arrangements and how much info the CAA have put out so quickly.
    Disappointing news for many but at least no-one should be left wondering.
    Originally posted by jackieblack
    Well they did have their practice run 12 months ago.
    • antenna
    • By antenna 2nd Oct 17, 7:35 AM
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    This thread was missing..... posting this to see if it returns
    Political?....I dont do Political....well,not much!
    • Uxb
    • By Uxb 2nd Oct 17, 7:39 AM
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    Can't so perusing online newspapers. The Daily Mail's latched on to the Monarch story and excelled itself with a particularly poor piece of reporting even by their subterranean standards.
    Originally posted by Gloomendoom
    Which has now turned out to be precisely accurate.
    • sillygoose
    • By sillygoose 2nd Oct 17, 7:54 AM
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    Not sure their average plane capacity, but to bring so many back is going to take something like 400 to 600 flights?

    Its a big operation.

    Shame its gone. They were not the cheapest but they were pleasant to fly. Its a shame there isn't a viable 'middle ground' market above the cheap cattle class carriers any more.
    • jackieblack
    • By jackieblack 2nd Oct 17, 8:01 AM
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    They appear to have ceased trading: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41464934
    Originally posted by darkcloudi
    As per posts #14 & 15
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    • Phil&Michelle
    • By Phil&Michelle 2nd Oct 17, 8:38 AM
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    Going, going, gone! Easyjet will be busy this year with this news and all the problems at RyanAir. Glad I booked our summer flights yesterday.
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 2nd Oct 17, 8:51 AM
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    Official MSE article here (with details of your rights):

    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/travel/2017/10/monarch-airlines-stops-trading---latest-info-and-your-rights
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    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 2nd Oct 17, 8:59 AM
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    Discussion on the "flights..." board here.
    I'm a Board Guide on the Debate House Prices & the Economy, House Buying, Renting & Selling, Mortgages and Endowments, In My Home incl DIY, Overseas Holidays & Student boards.
    I'm a volunteer to help the boards run smoothly, and I can move and merge threads there. Board guides are not moderators and don't read every post. If you spot an abusive or illegal post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. Any views are mine and not the official line of moneysavingexpert.com.
    • Pennywise
    • By Pennywise 2nd Oct 17, 9:17 AM
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    How about we go back to the airlines charging realistic fares for flights again, i.e. the real cost plus a bit of profit for them.

    It's about all this cut price, loss-leading, nonsense came to an end. If the "real cost" of a seat to Majorca is £90, then charge £100, and stop all this £9.99 nonsense, with airlines making profit by over-charging for hold baggage, seat reservations, priority boarding, expensive in flight catering etc. Also stop the ridiculous "yo yo" pricing where seats fluctuate widely from week to week - should be a little cheaper many months before, then normal price during peak booking periods, and finally either higher or lower in the last few days according to number of seats remaining.

    Sorry, but airlines have done this to themselves by engaging in these stupid pricing tricks. If the "real" price of a seat is £100 then that's what should be charged. Keep it simple. Scrap the exorbitantly priced extras and back-handers from airports etc and get back to basics.
    • ScarletMarble
    • By ScarletMarble 2nd Oct 17, 9:36 AM
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    Going, going, gone! Easyjet will be busy this year with this news and all the problems at RyanAir. Glad I booked our summer flights yesterday.
    Originally posted by Phil&Michelle
    Jet2 very good option too. 10kg hand luggage allowance plus 22kg if you have checked in luggage. Great leg room if you are tall. Dad is 6ft 3 and was impressed
    • worldtraveller
    • By worldtraveller 2nd Oct 17, 9:50 AM
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    I hope the OP doesn't mind if I bump this up the thread for those that may be looking for latest information:

    CAA NEWS

    Monarch has confirmed that the following companies have ceased trading and now entered administration:
    • Monarch Airlines Ltd
    • Monarch Holidays Ltd (ATOL Number 2275)
    • First Aviation Ltd (ATOL Number 4888) previously trading as Monarch Airlines
    • Avro Ltd (ATOL Number 1939)
    • Somewhere2stay Ltd
    As a result, we are sorry to inform you that, as of 2 October 2017, all future holidays and flights provided by these companies have been cancelled and are no longer operating.

    This is an unprecedented situation and because there are up to 110,000 passengers abroad, the UK Government has asked the CAA to coordinate flights back to the UK for all Monarch customers currently overseas. These new flights will be at no extra cost to you.
    If you are already abroad you will find all the information you need about your new flight on this website.

    If you are due to depart from a UK airport with Monarch Airlines today or in the future, please do not travel to your UK airport as your flight will not be operating.
    Customers already abroad

    If you are currently abroad and due to return to the UK on or before 15 October 2017 we are making arrangements for you to return home to the UK on a new flight, at the end of your holiday. These new flights will be at no extra cost to you.

    We will of course prioritise vulnerable passengers, including unaccompanied minors, and make sure that family groups travel on the same flights.

    For further advice and details of your new flight please read I am currently abroad.

    If you are currently abroad and due to return to the UK after this date, please read the additional information section.

    Customers yet to travel out of the UK

    We are sorry to inform you that all future holidays and flights booked with Monarch are now cancelled as of 2 October 2017.

    If you are booked on a Monarch Airlines flight, please do not go to your UK airport, as your flight will not be operating.

    Further information is available at I have a future booking and have not travellled yet.

    CAA

    monarch.caa.co.uk
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    • MSE Andrea
    • By MSE Andrea 2nd Oct 17, 11:10 AM
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    Thanks worldtraveller, we've updated the news story since then.

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    • JW1975
    • By JW1975 2nd Oct 17, 11:11 AM
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    I'm impressed with the arrangements and how much info the CAA have put out so quickly.
    Disappointing news for many but at least no-one should be left wondering.
    Originally posted by jackieblack


    I think this is why they delayed the news. After the Ryan Air debacle I think this gave the CAA time to strategize and deliver.


    Very impressed also myself. Qatar aircraft were just about to land into Gatwick and Birmingham, Monarch aircraft pulled off stands at airports, hours before the announcement. Very very smooh.
    • carlosftw
    • By carlosftw 2nd Oct 17, 11:12 AM
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    I was in the process of receiving a cheque for a flight delay claim. The cheque hasn't yet come through (takes up to 28 days) and Tuesday (tomorrow) is the 28th day. Am I screwed?
    • fredandwilma
    • By fredandwilma 2nd Oct 17, 11:48 AM
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    fredandwilma
    Agreed

    Although I guess the pilots will all be aware of another airline who are a bit short atm...
    Originally posted by jackieblack
    I don't believe for one minute that's the only cause of their problem, however it does all come down to money and if you're charging £4.99 for a flight, (with no optional extras purchased,) you simply can't afford your overheads, (including pilots).

    I wonder how many people booked a flight with Ryanair this weekend? I bet they are wishing they had?

    However, it doesn't inspire you with confidence for airline travel this week. Ryanair has temporarily dropped from the headlines, but..............

    Anyone remember Freddie Laker?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/freddie-laker-skytrain-airways-transatlantic-london-new-york-florida-los-angeles-british-airways-air-a7966196.html
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    • Pennywise
    • By Pennywise 2nd Oct 17, 12:06 PM
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    I don't believe for one minute that's the only cause of their problem, however it does all come down to money and if you're charging £4.99 for a flight, (with no optional extras purchased,) you simply can't afford your overheads, (including pilots).
    Originally posted by fredandwilma
    Indeed, but even at £49.99 they're not covering their costs. The cheapskates who don't pay the extras (meals, hold baggage, pre-booked seats etc) are being massively subsidised by those who do, and even those who pay for everything are still being subsidised by airports who pay the airline to fly there. It's time all the "hidden" incomes were scrapped and each traveller simply paid the full cost (plus a small profit). It would make it fairer for all travellers and would give the airlines a sustainable business model.
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 2nd Oct 17, 12:15 PM
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    I was in the process of receiving a cheque for a flight delay claim. The cheque hasn't yet come through (takes up to 28 days) and Tuesday (tomorrow) is the 28th day. Am I screwed?
    Originally posted by carlosftw
    Even if the cheque arrives I suspect it will bounce.
    • ScarletMarble
    • By ScarletMarble 2nd Oct 17, 3:58 PM
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    Interesting question

    For those flying back with an alternative company the CAA have organised- would the passengers be forced to use that carrier's luggage restrictions?

    Monarch had 20kg hold and 10kg hand luggage allowance. If the alternative only allowed 7kg for hand luggage and theirs weighed 9kg, would the passengers be forced to put that bag into the hold?
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