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    • 50Twuncle
    • By 50Twuncle 30th Sep 17, 11:17 AM
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    Brexit rebate ?
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    • 30th Sep 17, 11:17 AM
    Brexit rebate ? 30th Sep 17 at 11:17 AM
    In the unlikely event of Brexit taking place - The EU expects the UK to continue to contribute to the coffers for the next few years - I assume that in return - we will continue to receive our £4.9 billion rebate for the same period ?
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    • FormulaDriven
    • By FormulaDriven 2nd Oct 17, 2:52 PM
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    I think the EU expects us to settle certain long-term obligations (such as pensions) before we leave, so that's nothing to do with the rebate, just a quantification of our share of certain costs.


    Theresa May has proposed that we continue to pay in during a post-Brexit transition period, to avoid a hole in the current budget period. Logically, that must mean paying a figure net of the rebate, and I think the £20billion quoted ties in with that.


    Why do think Brexit is unlikely? The Tories seem resolutely stuck to that path and fear the backlash if they don't. For me, the concern is whether the negotiations come to a successful conclusion, or will we just messily crash out in March 2019?
    • NineDeuce
    • By NineDeuce 2nd Oct 17, 3:15 PM
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    • 2nd Oct 17, 3:15 PM
    Why would the UK be entitled to anything back if it chooses not to be a member?

    If you owed £100 on a gym membership you just cancelled, would you be entitled to free Zumba classes in return?
    • FormulaDriven
    • By FormulaDriven 2nd Oct 17, 5:50 PM
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    Ah, but if you cancelled your gym membership, then told the gym you were going to continue to pay them £80 for a few more years, but would they just let you keep doing the Zumba class, they might agree depending on whether you were a good negotiator or whether you were David Davis.


    If UK currently pays £15b annually and gets a £5b rebate, then offers to keep paying during a transition period, it seems reasonable to say it would pay £10b annually during that period (ie take the rebate into account, as presumably the EU's budget does).
    • cogito
    • By cogito 3rd Oct 17, 10:56 AM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 10:56 AM
    Why would the UK be entitled to anything back if it chooses not to be a member?

    If you owed £100 on a gym membership you just cancelled, would you be entitled to free Zumba classes in return?
    Originally posted by NineDeuce
    Why should you have to pay anything to buy stuff from the EU especially when we buy more from them than they buy from us. It should be the other way round.
    • 50Twuncle
    • By 50Twuncle 3rd Oct 17, 11:04 AM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 11:04 AM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 11:04 AM
    Ah, but if you cancelled your gym membership, then told the gym you were going to continue to pay them £80 for a few more years, but would they just let you keep doing the Zumba class, they might agree depending on whether you were a good negotiator or whether you were David Davis.
    If UK currently pays £15b annually and gets a £5b rebate, then offers to keep paying during a transition period, it seems reasonable to say it would pay £10b annually during that period (ie take the rebate into account, as presumably the EU's budget does).
    Originally posted by FormulaDriven
    This is exactly what I meant - if we have to continue to pay for the next few years - we should also continue to receive the same benefits by way of rebate payments for the same period ...
    • 50Twuncle
    • By 50Twuncle 3rd Oct 17, 11:05 AM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 11:05 AM
    Why should you have to pay anything to buy stuff from the EU especially when we buy more from them than they buy from us. It should be the other way round.
    Originally posted by cogito
    This is a totally seperate issue - they need us - more than we need them - or so we are told - any proof of this fact ?
    • NineDeuce
    • By NineDeuce 3rd Oct 17, 12:56 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 12:56 PM
    Why should you have to pay anything to buy stuff from the EU especially when we buy more from them than they buy from us. It should be the other way round.
    Originally posted by cogito
    Wrong. We buy from EU member states. The EU facilitates that trade. The reasoning, however, is because we get a good deal in the EU. It will be worse without.
    • 50Twuncle
    • By 50Twuncle 3rd Oct 17, 6:04 PM
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    • 3rd Oct 17, 6:04 PM
    Wrong. We buy from EU member states. The EU facilitates that trade. The reasoning, however, is because we get a good deal in the EU. It will be worse without.
    Originally posted by NineDeuce
    But if we don't buy from Europe - where will we get our wine, cheese and cars from ?
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