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    • robin58
    • By robin58 29th Sep 17, 4:54 AM
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    New Chicken Scandal : supplier fiddles dates.
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    • 29th Sep 17, 4:54 AM
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    New Chicken Scandal : supplier fiddles dates. 29th Sep 17 at 4:54 AM
    Go read this article about a chicken supplier to some top supermarkets changing dates among other things.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/28/uks-top-supplier-of-supermarket-chicken-fiddles-food-safety-dates

    You may never look at supermarket chicken in the same way again!
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    • vigman
    • By vigman 29th Sep 17, 10:36 AM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 10:36 AM
    Tesco - spoiled chicken portions this summer
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    • 29th Sep 17, 10:36 AM
    This summer I returned two packages of chicken fillets to Tesco Ryde branch. Both were in date and one was Willow Farm.

    They both smelled rank and were clearly unfit to eat.

    The first time I filed a report and got a letter and a £3 voucher.

    The second time I told the customer service desk there must be a serious problem and to tell the food manager concerned. She said that everything was temperature controlled so nothing could go off.

    Seeing chicken being picked off the floor and returned chicken put back on the fresh line apart from changing date of slaughter and use by labels explains everything.

    All food purchased should be fit to eat. I have a seriously impaired immune system and could be made seriously ill or even killed through a bad episode of food poisoning.

    Whatever happens I will NEVER buy poultry from Tesco again!

    Vigman
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    • dlusman
    • By dlusman 29th Sep 17, 10:49 AM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 10:49 AM
    Whatever happens I will NEVER buy poultry from Tesco again!
    Originally posted by vigman
    why pick just on Tesco ? According to the article the company involved supplies lots of supermarkets including tesco , M&S , Sainsburys,Aldi , Lidl .
    • vigman
    • By vigman 29th Sep 17, 10:55 AM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 10:55 AM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 10:55 AM
    why pick just on Tesco ? According to the article the company involved supplies lots of supermarkets including tesco , M&S , Sainsburys,Aldi , Lidl .
    Originally posted by dlusman
    Because that is where I purchased the spoiled poultry from. I would not buy from other supermarkets named who use(d) that supplier however my main shop is at a nearby Tesco. It was to them that I pointed out a problem with bad poultry on two separate occasions.

    I did not hear that M&S were implicated in this scandal?

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    Last edited by vigman; 29-09-2017 at 10:56 AM. Reason: Added comment
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    • dlusman
    • By dlusman 29th Sep 17, 11:01 AM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 11:01 AM

    I did not hear that M&S were implicated in this scandal?

    Vigman
    Originally posted by vigman
    Have you actually read the link ?
    • pelirocco
    • By pelirocco 29th Sep 17, 11:19 AM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 11:19 AM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 11:19 AM
    Supermarket chickens are cheap for a reason , The consumer wants to buy cheap food , therefore they go to the shop selling the cheapest item , The supermarkets want to compete so they put pressure on their suppliers t provide cheap chickens ...the supplier cuts corners

    And everyone is shocked/ surprised

    How much do you think it costs to raise a chicken ethically ( if theres so a thing ) apart from food , housing and needs of the animal you have the overheads of the business and then their profit , There is then the cost of 'processing the animal'
    The cost of transporting the meat
    The costs , overheads and profit of the end seller
    These supermarkets are seller chickens for a few pounds !!

    Ultimately the blame has to be laid at the feet of you , the consumer and sites like MSE which tell you that you should be paying less for your food

    Can you just imagine what the meat has been through when you buy a takeaway
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    • vigman
    • By vigman 29th Sep 17, 11:56 AM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 11:56 AM
    Have you actually read the link ?
    Originally posted by dlusman
    No as I saw the News at 10 report last night and the Guardian articles.

    As I don't buy from other supermarkets other than a nearby Tesco I was simply curious to know if M&S were also implicated

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    • vigman
    • By vigman 29th Sep 17, 11:59 AM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 11:59 AM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 11:59 AM
    Having just been to the local Tesco not only have they not withdrawn Willow Farm poultry but there is a Special Offer sign in the aisle.

    This is a real two fingers up to the consumer

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    • vigman
    • By vigman 29th Sep 17, 12:09 PM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 12:09 PM
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    • 29th Sep 17, 12:09 PM
    Supermarket chickens are cheap for a reason , The consumer wants to buy cheap food , therefore they go to the shop selling the cheapest item , The supermarkets want to compete so they put pressure on their suppliers t provide cheap chickens ...the supplier cuts corners

    And everyone is shocked/ surprised

    How much do you think it costs to raise a chicken ethically ( if theres so a thing ) apart from food , housing and needs of the animal you have the overheads of the business and then their profit , There is then the cost of 'processing the animal'
    The cost of transporting the meat
    The costs , overheads and profit of the end seller
    These supermarkets are seller chickens for a few pounds !!

    Ultimately the blame has to be laid at the feet of you , the consumer and sites like MSE which tell you that you should be paying less for your food

    Can you just imagine what the meat has been through when you buy a takeaway
    Originally posted by pelirocco
    Firstly having owned an outside catering business and seen what goes on in other kitchens we never eat takeaways!

    Realistically I expect cheap chicken to be fairly tasteless and colourless, probably with added water to increase bulk.

    I do NOT expect it to have had the dates of slaughter and use by changed, being picked off the floor or have returned stock added to the fresh line. This will be contaminated and not fit to eat

    Having said that I returned a much more expensive Tesco Finest pack of in date chicken fillets as they also smelled off

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    • Mee
    • By Mee 29th Sep 17, 12:11 PM
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    This has come up before. I use to have a problem with chicken pieces sold by Sainsbury's well before they admitted a problem in 2016. No longer buy it from them.

    PS I'm thinking of giving up chicken anyway and will defo if/when the UK signs a trade deal with the US.
    Last edited by Mee; 29-09-2017 at 12:13 PM.
    • pelirocco
    • By pelirocco 29th Sep 17, 1:08 PM
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    Firstly having owned an outside catering business and seen what goes on in other kitchens we never eat takeaways!

    Realistically I expect cheap chicken to be fairly tasteless and colourless, probably with added water to increase bulk.

    I do NOT expect it to have had the dates of slaughter and use by changed, being picked off the floor or have returned stock added to the fresh line. This will be contaminated and not fit to eat

    Having said that I returned a much more expensive Tesco Finest pack of in date chicken fillets as they also smelled off

    Vigman
    Originally posted by vigman

    People take short cuts all the time when it comes to making a living , Of course you expect your food to be safe , but time and time again we hear that this is not the case ..Horse meat scandal anyone?
    The meat production industry is a ticking time bomb , we allready import vast quantities
    I am not sure of the date of this report , but read below

    UK poultry consumption on the increase

    On the other hand, total consumption of poultry meat in the UK, including turkey and to a much lesser extent duck and geese, grew from 2.07 MT in 2011 to 2.13 MT in 2014 before jumping to 2.306 MT last year, thus creating an ever larger gap between demand and supply. As a result, the UK had to import 939,000 tonnes of poultry meat, which was almost 8% more than in 2014. British exports of poultry meat further declined to just 323,000 tonnes.

    The largest portion of these imports is fresh or frozen chicken and other poultry meat, of which the UK last year had to buy 438,000 tonnes in other countries. The Netherlands supplied 190,500 tonnes or 43% of total imports in this category. Last year, Dutch exports of this meat to the UK was 7% higher than in the 2 previous years. Other major suppliers are Poland which sent 65,500 tonnes to the British market, followed by Ireland, Germany and Belgium. However, imports of processed poultry products mostly come from much further away, with Thailand supplying 127,200 tonnes and Brasil 42,200 tonnes.

    You may buy chickens with labels saying produced in the UK , but can you trust these labels? ....I'm not suggest the supermarkets are misleading us , but its all too likely they could be misled

    And of course with have the likely hood of the US being allowed to export their meat to us
    Last edited by pelirocco; 29-09-2017 at 1:12 PM.
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    • pelirocco
    • By pelirocco 29th Sep 17, 1:08 PM
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    This has come up before. I use to have a problem with chicken pieces sold by Sainsbury's well before they admitted a problem in 2016. No longer buy it from them.

    PS I'm thinking of giving up chicken anyway and will defo if/when the UK signs a trade deal with the US.
    Originally posted by Mee
    Its not just their chicken you need to be wary of
    Last edited by pelirocco; 29-09-2017 at 1:11 PM. Reason: seriously dodgy spelling
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    • vigman
    • By vigman 29th Sep 17, 1:31 PM
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    Pelirocco you are very well informed. Do you happen to know if supermarkets have their turkey meat from Two Sisters or any other dubious suppliers please? Is a lot of this also imported?

    I ask because I have serious health problems that mean I can only eat very lean meat and fish so I have to have a safe supply of chicken and turkey. I can't eat red meat, cheese, chocolate for example.

    I am blue badge disabled so it is easiest for me to go to the nearest supermarket, Tesco and get my supplies. I know cheap poultry won't be great but I don't expect it to be unfit to eat and likely to cause food poisoning.

    I even bought and returned Tesco Finest chicken fillets as they were spoiled.

    It is all very well for people to say "buy from a local butcher" but 1. This is not easy for me to get to and 2. Is expensive and I and my wife only live on my disability pension until I turn 65 in a year's time.

    As I said previously I don't expect supermarket poultry to be of great quality and taste but I do expect it to be fit for human consumption!

    This issue is going to cause me quite a serious dilemma which is why I am so upset about it.

    Vigman
    Last edited by vigman; 29-09-2017 at 1:31 PM. Reason: Typo
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    • mklister
    • By mklister 29th Sep 17, 1:49 PM
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    3 months ago I gave up eating meat to help my health, and the environment.

    This shows it was definitely the right decision.
    • ancientofdays
    • By ancientofdays 2nd Oct 17, 7:04 AM
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    I have not read the article online but I did read it in the actual paper, my indulgence of the week, bought because it was the lead article.

    It has a list of all the food businesses in the same chain, and although I can't remember all of them, I do remember that Bernard Matthews is in the list so possibly that goes some way towards your question vigman. I don't eat turkey, but we do eat chicken.
    I was jumping to conclusions and one of them jumped back
    • Mee
    • By Mee 2nd Oct 17, 2:05 PM
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    Its not just their chicken you need to be wary of
    Originally posted by pelirocco
    I'm sure, but that is the topic. I rarely shop there now.
    • Mee
    • By Mee 2nd Oct 17, 2:08 PM
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    I wonder whether this scandal makes it difficult for M&S to pretend their food is anything special...
    • Mee
    • By Mee 2nd Oct 17, 2:16 PM
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    Worth looking at more recent Guardian editorials and letters on this matter
    • vigman
    • By vigman 2nd Oct 17, 3:25 PM
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    Worth looking at more recent Guardian editorials and letters on this matter
    Originally posted by Mee
    Many thanks for the link. I was surprised that Tesco did not immediately suspend sales of Willow Farm chicken.

    Vigman
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    • vigman
    • By vigman 4th Oct 17, 1:36 PM
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    I see Tesco were the fifth retailer to suspend purchasing from Two Sisters.

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