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    • kategregory
    • By kategregory 28th Sep 17, 4:37 PM
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    PIP Medical tomorrow so scared.... :(
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    • 28th Sep 17, 4:37 PM
    PIP Medical tomorrow so scared.... :( 28th Sep 17 at 4:37 PM
    Hi all,

    Just want to see what others have experienced when having a medical at home..

    I suffer from a severe panic disorder,aniexty, depression and have agoraphobia. I've been suffering for over 11yrs now and was claiming DLA but had to change to the new pip.

    My partner had to phone DWP when we received the letter to say I needed to claim again through PIP, they said they had to speak to me but I am unable to use the phone at any time due to my disorder.. So a few days later they sent a lovely lady around to make sure it was ok for my partner to fill out all forms and have the payment paid into his account. So he is now a appointee (is that the correct name?).

    We then received a letter to say we have a medical which is now tomorrow I'm petrified beyond believe!! I panic when new people come into our house, I don't have family or friends that visit, my children don't even have friends around. I don't even answer the door if someone knocks, I hide next to the wall in case they look through our window. I know I'm not going to get any sleep tonight, not that I do any night but tonight's going to be awful.. I feel awful now...

    I've written a letter to give to the person that's coming out for the home visit, cause I know my partner is here on my behalf if they ask me anything I will cry.. So I have a piece of paper saying how I feel on a daily basis, what I can/can't do what I wish I could do. All the things I think helpful I put down. My mind goes blank when confronted... Not sure if this is going to help in anyway..

    How long did everyones appointments take, I know everyone is different. I know I am going to be in and out of the room due to my disorder (Sick/toilet) I don't want this to be held against me on my claim... Just so scared.


    Sorry for the long post, really need to calm down but I can't.. Thank you in advance for any replies I may receive. x
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    • Prinzessilein
    • By Prinzessilein 28th Sep 17, 6:34 PM
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    Kategregory....have an early nigh and don't worry too much. ...and try and sleep a little, you'll feel better for it!

    I had my PiP face-to-face not so long ago...like you, I had a home visit.

    I won't lie and say it was stress-free...but it is something you will survive!

    The assessor turned up - earlier than expected. (Not a good start for my nerves!...My mum /care answered the door and let them in....The assessor sat with their laptop , and basically went through the questions on the application form.

    Mum answered a lot of the questions on my behalf. ...so if necessary, your partner can speak for you....Use this as an opportunity to make sure the assessor sees how you are affected by your conditions. ...they will probably want to see any prescription meds you take, so have them ready.

    As well as checking through the questions, the assessor will note down any inconstancies they feel there are between what you have written on the form and what is either said or observed during the face-to-face.

    The assessor may then do a mini-mental state exam - asking a few general questions. If you can't answer them that that is fine, if you are unable to speak, then make sure your partner explains this to the assessor (more than once if necessary!)...and then possibly a few physical tests (checking your balance et.c)...these were stopped by the assessor when it became apparent I couldn't manage them.

    And that is about it....all in all, expect it to take about an hour.

    Give it a day or two and then ask your partner to phone and ask for a copy of the assessor's report to be sent to you....this will give you a very good idea of what the decision-maker's letter will say (the decision maker relies HEAVILY on the assessor's report).

    For tonight...do you have anxiety medication? ...Maybe take some and get a bit of sleep?...If you DO take meds and they make you a bit dopey tomorrow - make sure that your partner mentions this to the assessor.

    Good luck for tomorrow...it IS scary, but nowhere near as much as you are worried about!
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 28th Sep 17, 6:59 PM
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    • 28th Sep 17, 6:59 PM
    Some great advice from prinzessilein. Just to add, I've never had a home assessment but i'm sure the procedure is the same. As your partner is your appointee then he'll be able to speak on your behalf. I'm my daughters appointee and i'll be doing the same for her if she needs a PIP assessment in the coming weeks.

    Make sure those questions are answered in full and not just with a yes or no. You'll be observed throughout the assessment even down to what you're wearing.

    There's no doubt it's stressful. Hopefully the assessment will go ahead and you won't have a call to cancel it, as this often happens. Especially if they're running late. Both my assessments i was very nervous but after i thought it wasn't as bad as i was expecting. Good luck!
    • w06
    • By w06 28th Sep 17, 7:30 PM
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    try not to worry. I'd dreaded my face to face assesment. Mine wasn't a home visit but othewise it will be similar.


    Honestly it was fine. The lady was a nurse, she introduced herself and then went through questions similar to the form you or your partner has already filled in. I was a bit clueless having avoided reading much about PIP to avoid getting stressed, and my disabilities aren't text book things and so it was a bit complicated. But honestly it was absolutely fine, much less stressful than I'd expected.

    Try to get an early night, try to relax and trust the assessor in the morning.

    good luck
    • dave030445
    • By dave030445 1st Oct 17, 12:04 PM
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    try not to worry. I'd dreaded my face to face assesment. Mine wasn't a home visit but othewise it will be similar.


    Honestly it was fine. The lady was a nurse, she introduced herself and then went through questions similar to the form you or your partner has already filled in. I was a bit clueless having avoided reading much about PIP to avoid getting stressed, and my disabilities aren't text book things and so it was a bit complicated. But honestly it was absolutely fine, much less stressful than I'd expected.

    Try to get an early night, try to relax and trust the assessor in the morning.good luck
    Originally posted by w06

    YOU ARE HAVING A LAUGH
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 1st Oct 17, 1:46 PM
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    YOU ARE HAVING A LAUGH
    Originally posted by dave030445
    Well obviously not! And there's no need to shout. Not everyone has a bad assesment, i certainly didn't for either of my PIP assessments or ESA. I've had 2 PIP assessments in the last 3 years and none of them were bad. Infact the 2nd one i had the HCP was actually very nice, friendly and she even turned the heating up for me in the room we were in because i was so cold. All my reports have been 100% truthful! Never had a problem with an award.

    Just because all we hear is bad storied it doesn't mean everyone has a bad experience. If a person has the award they wanted then they have no questions therefore nothing to ask, so we don't hear about them.

    So many people have no idea what PIP is all about, they dont do their research and those transfering from DLA (some of them) just think well they've been on DLA for years with a life time award, they'll be fine. This isn't the case. Evidence, is important. The amount of people that fail to send in evidence and just expect DWP to contact a medical professional, they mostly don't do this. Evidence is important, and if a claimant has evidence that proves those descriptors apply to them then even better.
    • melbury
    • By melbury 1st Oct 17, 7:39 PM
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    When my OH had his face to face it was with a nice lady, who actually offered some very helpful advice for dealing with some of his conditions.

    Not everyone has a bad experience, so please be positive and all the best.
    Last edited by melbury; 02-10-2017 at 8:58 PM.
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    • 50Twuncle
    • By 50Twuncle 3rd Oct 17, 11:22 AM
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    Kategregory....have an early nigh and don't worry too much. ...and try and sleep a little, you'll feel better for it!

    I had my PiP face-to-face not so long ago...like you, I had a home visit.

    I won't lie and say it was stress-free...but it is something you will survive!

    The assessor turned up - earlier than expected. (Not a good start for my nerves!...My mum /care answered the door and let them in....The assessor sat with their laptop , and basically went through the questions on the application form.

    Mum answered a lot of the questions on my behalf. ...so if necessary, your partner can speak for you....Use this as an opportunity to make sure the assessor sees how you are affected by your conditions. ...they will probably want to see any prescription meds you take, so have them ready.

    As well as checking through the questions, the assessor will note down any inconstancies they feel there are between what you have written on the form and what is either said or observed during the face-to-face.

    The assessor may then do a mini-mental state exam - asking a few general questions. If you can't answer them that that is fine, if you are unable to speak, then make sure your partner explains this to the assessor (more than once if necessary!)...and then possibly a few physical tests (checking your balance et.c)...these were stopped by the assessor when it became apparent I couldn't manage them.

    And that is about it....all in all, expect it to take about an hour.

    Give it a day or two and then ask your partner to phone and ask for a copy of the assessor's report to be sent to you....this will give you a very good idea of what the decision-maker's letter will say (the decision maker relies HEAVILY on the assessor's report).

    For tonight...do you have anxiety medication? ...Maybe take some and get a bit of sleep?...If you DO take meds and they make you a bit dopey tomorrow - make sure that your partner mentions this to the assessor.

    Good luck for tomorrow...it IS scary, but nowhere near as much as you are worried about!
    Originally posted by Prinzessilein
    How did it go ?
    I bet that it wasn't worth worrying about ?
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 3rd Oct 17, 2:01 PM
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    How did it go ?
    I bet that it wasn't worth worrying about ?
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle
    Umm you got the wrong person..it was kategregory that had the assessment.
    • TOBRUK
    • By TOBRUK 5th Oct 17, 12:22 PM
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    Hi all,

    Just want to see what others have experienced when having a medical at home..

    I suffer from a severe panic disorder,aniexty, depression and have agoraphobia. I've been suffering for over 11yrs now and was claiming DLA but had to change to the new pip.
    Originally posted by kategregory
    Kategregory, I understand the worry and the anxiety with a home visit. I had a face to face assessment (I was moving from DLA to PIP) in August. I didn't have anyone with me when the assessor came to visit, and I don't suffer with your conditions. You have the support of your partner, who will be able to help with any answers and support you with the visit.

    The assessor who visited me was pleasant enough, she was typing on her laptop throughout the visit, and explained what she was doing and also tried to put me at ease. She was here for over an hour, and yes it is a bit stressful - as these things are. Yes, everyone is different, but just be yourself, and try to give details of how your condition affects your day to day life (your partner can he with this) to give a true overall picture, and try to give examples.

    I didn't phone to ask for her report, I just waited to see what happened first, as my feeling was that if I did see the report, (although some say that it would give you an idea) I may have read in to it something that could turn out to be totally different to their decision. I would wait for the decision, and only then, if I disagreed with it, ask for a report and challenge.

    Within 4 weeks, I received their decision (when the dreaded brown envelope arrived) and I was successful.

    Please try not to worry too much about the visit, although I know it is difficult. Wishing you well.
    • kategregory
    • By kategregory 12th Oct 17, 8:25 PM
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    Hi all,

    Sorry for the delay in responding...

    Well the morning came (29th Sept) and we had a phone call to say it was cancelled.

    As you can imagine this was another of my nightmares considering I had tried so hard to prepare myself for it.. :/

    Partner rung up to be told they have no appointments available and that we'd receive a letter with a new date, we received this just over a week ago for this morning. And 10 mins late a lady arrived, I was in pieces before hand, up and down to the loo and being sick!

    She seemed nice to start with until she tried to catch me out saying 'Ok, I've just asked you about your good days and bad days, you've just told me today is even worse although a moment ago you told me every day is the same'?! Then she realized I also had mentioned my anxiety is worse when stress is cause like today... So she said she can see that this actually makes sense!

    She also tried to catch me out on other questions, but as I had nothing to hide I answered the best I could, although my arm is now hurting as I tend to rub/scratch my arm when under stress or when I am very anxious.

    To be honest she said it should take 45mins but she is aiming for an hr which I was dreading, she said she was a nurse in the past which in away helped but without sounding out of order I do feel like she was trying to make my illness out without being a Dr if you know what I mean.?! All in all she was nice enough basically told me to answer all the questions even though my partner was my appointee, which I found strange, of course he had to speak on my behalf as I am no good face to face with anyone....

    Thankfully it is done now, fingers crossed they award me something. Thank you for everyone who has responded, I shall up date when I hear anything back. xx
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    • kategregory
    • By kategregory 12th Oct 17, 8:30 PM
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    I will add that I have no up to date evidence of my condition due to my Dr telling me there is no magic tablet so basically all I had to go with is what the Dr's had told me.

    I have no medication and this I feel will go against me, and the fact that I've not seen a Dr in over 5yrs cause I feel someone else needs more attention than I do, I can see the out come being a failure! But at the end of the day I have a illness that stops my day to day life! :/
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    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 12th Oct 17, 8:56 PM
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    The fact that you've no medical evidence and not seen a doctor in five years is going to go against you. Hopefully the information from the assessment will be sufficient.

    It doesn't read to me that the assessor was trying to catch you out. She wanted to iron out what she saw as an anomaly, that's a good thing. She was also correct in asking you to answer, your partner is your appointee for administrative matters, not medical.

    I hope you get the outcome you would like. Try to put it out your mind until you hear from them.
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    • By beanielou 12th Oct 17, 9:42 PM
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    Well on the positive side it is done.
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    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 13th Oct 17, 8:06 AM
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    The fact that you've no medical evidence and not seen a doctor in five years is going to go against you. Hopefully the information from the assessment will be sufficient.

    It doesn't read to me that the assessor was trying to catch you out. She wanted to iron out what she saw as an anomaly, that's a good thing. She was also correct in asking you to answer, your partner is your appointee for administrative matters, not medical.

    I hope you get the outcome you would like. Try to put it out your mind until you hear from them.
    Originally posted by IAmWales
    That's not entirely true. I'm my daughters appointee because she doesn't have the capacity to look after her own affairs, she doesn't understand money, she can't count it, she won't use the phone, when talking to her it needs to be in the simplest form (yes i have written proof of this) otherwise she won't have a clue what you're talking about. I've recently applied for PIP for her and was told if an assessment is needed, i'll be able to speak on her behalf. I just have to make sure that i take proof i'm her appointee with me. I'll also be taking the written proof that she needs to be spoken to in the simpliest form.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 13th Oct 17, 8:13 AM
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    I will add that I have no up to date evidence of my condition due to my Dr telling me there is no magic tablet so basically all I had to go with is what the Dr's had told me.

    I have no medication and this I feel will go against me, and the fact that I've not seen a Dr in over 5yrs cause I feel someone else needs more attention than I do, I can see the out come being a failure! But at the end of the day I have a illness that stops my day to day life! :/
    Originally posted by kategregory
    I have to agree with iamwales, that may go against you. Although i have heard of people being awarded without evidence. 5 years is a very long time to go without seeing a GP, especially when you have issues with everyday life.
    • Prinzessilein
    • By Prinzessilein 13th Oct 17, 8:34 AM
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    You have got through it...so that is the first step! Well done!

    My Mum answered a number of questions for me at the F2F and ALWAYS makes my phone-calls for me....the assessor should have attempted to talk to you, and addressed all questions to you, but accepted your partner's answering for you.

    I would advise that you phone the DWP...possibly today, no later than Monday of you can manage it (or have your partner phone)...and ask them for a copy of the assessor's report. The decision maker will rely heavily on this report (and the assessor sends it off to them really quickly)...you will be able to see where the assessor recommends you are given points, and read their assessment of your needs...This could be really valuable to you as you will be able to start preparing notes for a Mandatory Reconsideration...look at where the assessor has not given points and you believe they should be awarded.

    But do not be too worried at the moment...I was CONVINCED that the assessor would only give me the lowest award...I had submitted evidence , but it was years old...and the assessor certainly tried some 'tricks'...and refused to listen to some answers - having made up their own mind.....when the assessors report arrived, it was riddled with inconsistencies and errors...BUT they recommended a higher award than I was currently on (a justifiable increase!...my own assessment had suggested an increase) - some of their points did not agree with my own thoughts, but they sort of averaged out. (My mental health was all but ignored, but my physical points were enough o get me the awards)

    So, phone for the report...and then take a day or two to relax...the assessment was stressful - and you got through it!!!
    • w06
    • By w06 13th Oct 17, 10:56 AM
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    Agree if it will help you during the wait ask for the assessor's report - I chose not to but it might help.

    Although providing recent evidence is the ideal, some of us just don't have any. In addition the nature of NHS care is changing out of neccessity and for many people, even with severe life limiting illnesses, regular follow up isn't as it used to be, I think that's especially true for mental health problems due to underfunding and understaffing. I didn't have any evidence and my GP doesn't know me well but I ended up with the right award.
    • pennyforthem
    • By pennyforthem 13th Oct 17, 12:45 PM
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    I wouldn't worry they like it when people act like nervous wrecks, they don't like it when people have had 10 years of #### and learnt to act “normal”. They seem to think asking if you would like a cup of tea, telling you she will be late or moving chairs around is threatening and should warrant a threat response, so you will be good to go !
    • kategregory
    • By kategregory 13th Oct 17, 8:42 PM
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    I've not seen a Dr in so long due to my anxiety as I feel like someone is more needy of a Dr than I am, I feel like I am a burden on the NHS.

    She did ask why I've not seen a Dr in so long and the above is what I had told her, I said it's a vicious cycle.. She agreed!

    Also I have it on my medical notes that I was diagnosed with a severe panic disorder along with agoraphobia, which still is the case.
    I've never had a medical before they've always got in touch with my Dr for evidence, I assume they did anyway. I've had no issue with claims for the past 8+yrs...

    I had to move a chair near the door so I could leave the room quickly if need be and almost took a layer of skin off my arm due to rubbing and scratching so hard whilst she was here. I have to be fair she seemed lovely.

    Thank you all for your advice, what will be will be. I'm quite proud of myself if I can say that. I will update when I hear anything. Thank you again. xx
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