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    • fiisch
    • By fiisch 26th Sep 17, 10:56 PM
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    How to Find a Job for a 60-Year Old
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    • 26th Sep 17, 10:56 PM
    How to Find a Job for a 60-Year Old 26th Sep 17 at 10:56 PM
    I posted a few weeks back about my father's predicament at work and unfortunately he has been dismissed without notice. In summary, he posted something ill-advised on Facebook (not vulgar or aggressive) that was critical of his employer and he has been dismissed for gross misconduct. It was a very foolish mistake, and he accepts what he did wasn't particularly wise - especially as they are in the process of looking for voluntary redundancies - but what's done is done.

    He has worked for the company (an airline) in various front-line ground-staff roles for the last 20 years. Before that, he was a sales manager after a short spell in the army after he left school. He turns 60 next week, and has been out of the job-hunting game for a long while.

    He wasn't on a dazzling salary, but it was good compared to new starters, and given that he lives 30 miles away from the airport, there's an argument to say he should look for something closer to home, but aviation is what he loves.

    Obviously, the news has been devastating to the family, but my advice is to consider it done (there is an appeal on-going, but I imagine the chances of success are less than zero). What I am not sure of is how he best goes about finding another job at his age, with no obvious transferrable skills? The most tragic thing of all is he's a very intelligent man who is extremely capable and highly IT Literate (ashamed to say, more so than me, and I work in IT!) and a "young" 60, but his CV is going to suggest otherwise. Has anyone been in a similar situation? Has anyone found a job in a very different industry at a similar time of life?

    I am assuming that he will have to explain the circumstances surrounding why he left his last job, so I've advised him to prepare an answer should this come up in an interview. My understanding is that he's not compelled to volunteer the information, but if he's directly asked why did you leave your last job or questions around previous dismissals appear on an application form, then he's obligated to be open and honest.

    I am also assuming his CV should make only very brief reference to jobs twenty years ago, and focus on his roles with his most recent employer. I have most recently worked as a contractor, and did wonder if he could get a job quickly to tide him over as low level contractor e.g.: Data Entry?

    Any advice/ideas are much appreciated. TIA.
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    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 27th Sep 17, 7:00 AM
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    I can't suggest what might suit him, I just wanted to say that if it was me, I'd be up front about the reason he left if asked. Interviewers are individuals, you can't guess if it's somsting that will bother them or not, better to be. honest and spin it in the best way you can.

    We recently started a 70 year old chap. We're a small company , I don't know if that makes a difference - I think we tend to be ax bit more straightforward than a large company. Most of our employees come through recommendation, so it's worth asking friends if there is any vacancies where they work.

    Good luck
    • marlot
    • By marlot 27th Sep 17, 7:42 AM
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    He should think through who he knows in the industry locally, who may have roles going and can put in a good word for him.
    • ReadingTim
    • By ReadingTim 27th Sep 17, 10:12 AM
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    LinkedIn (to the extent he's not on it already) might be a good place to start connecting to colleagues and people who might be able to let him know of any vacancies going.

    Unfortunately, the sad reality is that his age will be a major barrier, even for someone who wasn't dismissed from their last role for gross misconduct. In the first instance, I'd just focus on getting *any* job. Once back in the saddle, he'll have breathing space to find something closer to where he lives, or what he loves. It'll also avoid the difficult question 'why did you leave your last role' somewhat.
    • mumcoll
    • By mumcoll 27th Sep 17, 1:05 PM
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    • 27th Sep 17, 1:05 PM
    My OH, who has worked in telecoms and IT for many years, is currently employed showing people how to use computers, etc. for Local Authorities and Housing Associations.


    Most people now need to be computer savvy to pay rent, and claim benefits (for the first time). He also helps people go online to search for jobs.


    He is 61, has a lot of patience, that younger 'computer whizzkids' haven't always got, so is always appreciated by clients who are nervous with IT.


    Is this something your dad could do with his IT skills?
    • Ozzuk
    • By Ozzuk 27th Sep 17, 1:35 PM
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    Maybe look at this as a beginning, not an end. How soon can he take his private pension? Use this opportunity to do something you'd never risk normally (i.e. leave a job for), like mumcoll says a business training people on PCs. Or gardening, any number of roles that don't pay hugely but have other benefits (less stress, more flexible hours, helping people). He may need to adjust his lifestyle, but it could be a good wake up call and a move to a better quality of life.
    • Robin9
    • By Robin9 27th Sep 17, 1:46 PM
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    He should think through who he knows in the industry locally, who may have roles going and can put in a good word for him.
    Originally posted by marlot
    Did his ex-employer use outside trainers or contractors? Often they employer ex- industry staff - they want the skills. Thats what I did - put the word out and 2 weeks later back as a contractor.
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    • alex80
    • By alex80 28th Sep 17, 1:08 PM
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    To be honest no one wants someone over 60! Try small property management companies. They might hire someone in a 55+ community. They like maintenance people around that age. Good luck.
    • decbel
    • By decbel 28th Sep 17, 1:23 PM
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    • 28th Sep 17, 1:23 PM
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    • 28th Sep 17, 1:23 PM
    https://jobs.royalmailgroup.com/go/Christmas-Casuals/698901/

    Royal mail Christmas casuals.

    Could get 6 weeks work out of it. If interested he needs to apply straight away
    • lakes17
    • By lakes17 28th Sep 17, 1:29 PM
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    That's where your wrong "Alex80" Quite a lot of retail outlets employ older people - and quite a few do it because we're more reliable. The place I work opened 2 years ago and as well as employing youngsters there is also quite a number in there 50's and 60's. In fact the oldest member of staff is 70 (68 when they first took him on)!
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 28th Sep 17, 1:45 PM
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    To be honest no one wants someone over 60! Try small property management companies. They might hire someone in a 55+ community. They like maintenance people around that age. Good luck.
    Originally posted by alex80
    That's harsh Alex, here in good ol' Blighty various firms employ staff over 60.
    Can people stop loaning money/being a guarator to family/friends, it rarely ends well and you lose out as your money is gone or you get shafted with being a guarantor.
    • decbel
    • By decbel 28th Sep 17, 3:33 PM
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    It does pain me to read how people of a certain age are written off. The state retirement age for many is now 66/67 and only set to rise. Many will see it all the way through.

    If what they say about a booming economy is correct then there should be work more or less for anyone who can do it.
    • t0rt0ise
    • By t0rt0ise 28th Sep 17, 8:53 PM
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    I got a new job at age 60 in a different line of work from what I'd always done. Not all companies are ageist.
    • theoretica
    • By theoretica 28th Sep 17, 11:11 PM
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    Many companies won't know his age from the recruitment process, or HR will remove this data before it goes to the hiring managers. It will be obvious he is not a 20 something but a lot of dates can be left off of a CV if he chooses.
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    • mjfp509
    • By mjfp509 29th Sep 17, 3:00 PM
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    Supermarket customer delivery driver? Someone I talked to the other day was over 60 and managed, no problem, to get employed there.
    • felix-the-cat
    • By felix-the-cat 5th Oct 17, 6:13 AM
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    Well, I'm 60 and was made redundant earlier in the year. I can't get any work and I'm pretty sure it's age related. I don't put age-specific on my CV, and I get as far as interview, but no offers. Last time I was looking for work (4 years ago) I had no problem. The only thing that's changed is my age. Some industries just don't want to hire older people - I know it's illegal but that doesn't stop them! It's a real problem. And I won't get my pension until 66.
    • BrassicWoman
    • By BrassicWoman 5th Oct 17, 7:32 AM
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    Working airside requires heavy secuirty checks and I thnk it is highly likely a reference woud need to include reasons for leaving.

    I too would look for something closer to home.
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    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 5th Oct 17, 8:06 AM
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    I realise it's probably not the sort of work which he would do from choice, but many of the supermarkets recruit older staff. I know of a few of my former colleagues who now work for Morrisons for example. That would at least provide some income whilst seeking more appropriate work. This could be the ideal time to apply with Christmas coming up.
    • Fireflyaway
    • By Fireflyaway 5th Oct 17, 2:07 PM
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    I was job hunting till a couple of weeks back and one agency said a client had specifically asked them not to send anyone over 35! Ageism is definitely still alive.
    Personally I'd welcome older employees. Life experience goes a long way and in many roles its beneficial to have the calmer air that older people tend to have. My folks are mid 60's and so much more fit than me, so fitness and energy isn't necessarily a barrier either.
    I would avoid anything on a CV that gives away age. Don't put school down nor list every job. Maybe list skills and experience and just the last 2 jobs.
    I'd refrain from saying I'd been fired, stating I'm looking for a new challenge ( sort of true) but I wouldn't lie either. If asked I'd be honest and make it clear how much I regret what I did and how I learned from the mistake etc. Many companies don't state on references the reason for the person leaving either so don't worry too much.
    If your father needs work quick, I'd approach retail stores especially as its near Christmas. Does he have a beard...?! Ok seriously many stores, restaurants, garden centres, post office , Argos recruit at this time. There are always caring jobs going. How about driving? Someone older with a clean licence would be a good catch.
    This could actually turn out to be a blessing. It could give your dad the chance to try something he hadn't previously considered. He could end up with more pay or better benefits etc.
    • Samsung_Note2
    • By Samsung_Note2 6th Oct 17, 6:23 PM
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    How about doing his SIA license..training and Badge will come to roughly £500,but your pretty much guaranteed work.

    Being older in the security industry is no bad thing...ive got a chap works for me and he is 69yrs old,wouldnt of known if he hadn't mentioned his age.
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