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    • dandy-candy
    • By dandy-candy 26th Sep 17, 9:49 PM
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    Anyone here vegan?
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    • 26th Sep 17, 9:49 PM
    Anyone here vegan? 26th Sep 17 at 9:49 PM
    I've been vegetarian before, the longest was for a year. I'm planning on starting again but was wondering how hard it is to go vegan? It seems a bit extreme on paper, but I am uncomfortable about animal welfare in this country. I only eat organic eggs and dairy already, but I still don't know if there welfare is much better.
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    • Doom_and_Gloom
    • By Doom_and_Gloom 12th Oct 17, 4:39 PM
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    It wont make a difference to animal welfare. One person is not going to change a thing.
    Originally posted by NineDeuce
    I agree with Izadora.

    Thing is if people once thought the same thing about abolishing slavery, giving woman the vote, black people being able to vote, allowing woman to own land etc. The first person, then group were laughed at, people said they wouldn't make a difference etc. That wasn't true though. One person is all you need to start a domino effect.
    28 year old vegan woman. My OH is a lovely omni guy
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 12th Oct 17, 4:55 PM
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    It wont make a difference to animal welfare. One person is not going to change a thing.
    Originally posted by NineDeuce
    Ever heard of the "hundredth monkey" effect.
    • Doom_and_Gloom
    • By Doom_and_Gloom 12th Oct 17, 5:01 PM
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    Ah well, sadly this is the end of my vegan lifestyle for the time being. Going into hospital for hip replacement soon, so to check about best thing to do I consulted a nutritional therapist.

    She told me that, post op, it's no time to be vegan, as in order to recuperate as fast as possible, my body will need extra proteins and it would be very complicated to get enough (without overdosing on carbs and putting on weight) while in hospital and on my return home when I won't be able to shop and cook for myself for a while.

    I feel bad in a way but also need to balance it all with the amount of stress that it would create me to stick to my ethical position. I am going to forgive myself for the time being and stick to mostly vegetarian (with the odd tin of mackerel thrown in) for simplicity, until I'm back on my feet and good to go (vegan, again, maybe).
    While I appreciate you don't want black lash and this isn't what it is, I don't understand why anyone would think that being vegan while recovering from an operation would mean lack of nutrition.
    Athletes are often vegan while training and they need nutritional meals which include lots of protein for repairing muscles. If many athletes are vegan on season because that means they are at their best surely vegan for operation recovery is best?
    Quinoa, tofu, beans etc for protein. Also carbs are not the enemy when it comes to weight gain. So many people get this wrong. Just eat the whole grain versions as they are best or you.
    Batch cook and have meals ready in the freezer. So much better for you and cheap to. A slow cooker and/or rice/multi cooker. Buy ready prepared or frozen vegetables etc if needed.

    After all veganism is quoted as being healthy for all stages of life, including pregnancy and while breast feeding which are taxing on the body.
    There isn't a chance that any doctor would ever get me to stop being vegan and I have a disability that may one day mean operation to live if it gets that bad.
    Last edited by Doom_and_Gloom; 12-10-2017 at 5:20 PM. Reason: typo; on phone
    28 year old vegan woman. My OH is a lovely omni guy
    • BearPearSun
    • By BearPearSun 12th Oct 17, 5:15 PM
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    Caterina try talking to a dietitian rather than a nutritionist. If you're in the UK in an NHS hospital there should be one that you can speak to.

    A carefully planned vegan diet is definitely an option for an appropriate pre and post surgery diet. It does of course depend on your home situation as to whether you/others can make the food.
    • Caterina
    • By Caterina 14th Oct 17, 7:48 AM
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    Thank you Doom_And_Gloom and BearPearSun, I don't take it as backlash at all. I have accepted that for the time being I'm going to make life as easy as I can (the op is not my only health issue) and that this is only a phase.

    'Re talking to a dietician, the NHS is still in the prehistory when it comes to nutrition, they still advocate the outdated food pyramid which is now considered by many, doctors included, to put too much emphasis on low fat and excess carbs.

    I have done a lot of research on carbs and also know how my body reacts (I've lived in it for 60 years). I don't consider carbs the enemy, I eat a lot of carbs in plant form and now small portions of whole grains.

    Whenever there's a vegan option I'll always go for it but not if it's pasta or stodge. I'm just less strict and will be so when in hospital.

    Had the pre med and it looks like it might be a few weeks before the op so I'm still eating mostly plant based. I don't say vegan because it's a lifestyle and I'm still very far from being there.
    Finally I'm an OAP and can travel free (in London at least!).
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