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    • Spendless
    • By Spendless 24th Sep 17, 9:16 AM
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    Teenagers first holiday without parents
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    • 24th Sep 17, 9:16 AM
    Teenagers first holiday without parents 24th Sep 17 at 9:16 AM
    My 17yo son is about to go on his first hol without us next month. He is meeting up with an American friend of his who is flying over and they are spending a week in London and York.

    Accommodation is booked. Travel needs sorting. Any experiences they want to do, likely to book before they go, hopefully finding some discounts. Son has saved some money, but we are giving him some too (early 18th present). I'm a bit clueless to how much cash he'll actually need, they'll need to pay for most if not all meals.

    Anything else he hasn't thought of?
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    • meer53
    • By meer53 27th Sep 17, 9:53 PM
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    I think some people are misunderstanding. I have no worries about him starving or getting lost. What I would like to do is stretch the money I give into as much as possible. Eg I discovered yesterday I have around a tenner in clubcard vouchers that I can 4x towards the cost of the tower of London. DS wouldn't even know that clubcard exists, let alone know I have some vouchers.
    Originally posted by Spendless
    But he needs to learn how to do that too. Give him the money and leave him to it.
    • Spendless
    • By Spendless 28th Sep 17, 3:14 AM
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    But he needs to learn how to do that too. Give him the money and leave him to it.
    Originally posted by meer53
    How do you learn to look for something you don't know exists? You can't google something you have no concept of

    It was discovered last night that friend hasn't booked his flight to/from England. (2nd leg of his journey) He thought a relative had. If it wasn't for us asking what time his flight home was, (because DS has to be back at college the following day, so timings were needed) this may not have been discovered, making booking train times pointless.
    • trailingspouse
    • By trailingspouse 28th Sep 17, 12:05 PM
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    It's really hard, watching them make mistakes and knowing you could have helped.

    But think back to your own teenage years - did you learn most when someone did things for you, or when you had to do them for yourself (even if you didn't do them perfectly)?

    I think our roles change as our kids get older. As they start stretching their wings, we cease to be the person that protects and provides, and become a sort of wicket keeper, ready to catch if things go wrong but otherwise not much needed. (sorry about the mixed metaphors - it started off OK in my head...).

    So - let them get on with it. They will get things wrong. They will not get the same bargains you would get. They will not go to see the same things you would want to see (do they want to go to the Tower of London??). But they will learn a heck of a lot in the process and that really is the most important thing.
    • meer53
    • By meer53 28th Sep 17, 5:26 PM
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    How do you learn to look for something you don't know exists? You can't google something you have no concept of

    It was discovered last night that friend hasn't booked his flight to/from England. (2nd leg of his journey) He thought a relative had. If it wasn't for us asking what time his flight home was, (because DS has to be back at college the following day, so timings were needed) this may not have been discovered, making booking train times pointless.
    Originally posted by Spendless
    Your son will find out for himself where he wants to go and what he wants to see. Thats how we all get on in life.. Thats what Google is for !

    I moved away from home 2 weeks after my 16th birthday, my friend and i took a seasonal job in a hotel 350 miles away from our home. I stayed for 8 years. My Mum let me go, there were no mobile phones or Internet in those days either ! I used to ring her once a week from the local payphone to let her know i was OK.

    I'm a single parent now and i have a teenage daughter and a 31 year old son, My Mums example helped me to let my kids sort out their own issues, getting to school/college/part time job /days out etc They don't need my help, and i'm pleased about that, they're incredibly independant people. It's hard to take a back seat but you have to.

    Hovering over them and trying to "help" doesn't do them any favours really.
    Last edited by meer53; 28-09-2017 at 7:37 PM.
    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 3rd Oct 17, 3:20 AM
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    Where can you get a three course meal in Edinburgh for £6.50? I can only assume it's a deal and so is at lunchtime and small portions.

    Maybe the lad doesn't like junk food and likes meals that includes vegetables.

    When I go on holiday I'm lucky if £20 covers my evening meal!
    Originally posted by bluebear36

    Near the Omni, and whilst its a lunchtime special its large portions, its where locals go, Other places do 3 courses for around £12-£15 in evening often including a drink, but this place I may go in 3 times a year and owner recognises me each time, considering hes been there for 40 years and still exists it means hes doing something right!



    £20 is lucky to cover a evening meal!! i'd have to push to spend that much like walk into the first place I find and go for something expensive on menu. but its all down to common sense really, get a curry at take away and it may cost £7, the same curry at a restuarant may be double that price but no better or bigger portions, part of what I was writing was to imply more common sense, if he does get £15 a day, and splashes it on a single curry and rice and has no spending money then its his own fault for not planning, giving him say £10 will make him think about stretching it more.



    But I wasn't the person who mentioned Nando;s i.e junk food so I gave cheaper similar junk food options.
    • Spendless
    • By Spendless 3rd Oct 17, 7:20 AM
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    I'm still a bit bemused that people aren't thinking I'm leaving him to it. I just asked for suggestions.

    So far, DS and his friend have booked a hol for when one is 18+ and the other 17, instead of waiting another 4 months, when both could get into the pubs. 'Discovered' that a flight that was thought booked for and paid for actually wasn't and have now booked Ryanair. And had a night where they knew they wanted to be in x place but had done nothing about booking accommodation there and didn't know how they were getting there either.

    ^^^^^^ If the above was the calibre of my overseeing this, I'd hate to think what they'd do if left to their own devices.
    • annandale
    • By annandale 3rd Oct 17, 12:58 PM
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    So you give him a tenner and that forces him to find a cheaper curry? Got you.
    • onlyroz
    • By onlyroz 3rd Oct 17, 2:27 PM
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    I think some people are misunderstanding. I have no worries about him starving or getting lost. What I would like to do is stretch the money I give into as much as possible. Eg I discovered yesterday I have around a tenner in clubcard vouchers that I can 4x towards the cost of the tower of London. DS wouldn't even know that clubcard exists, let alone know I have some vouchers.
    Originally posted by Spendless
    I know what you’re saying but, assuming that he knows the basics of the transport system and can be trusted to not wander around dark alleys alone at 3am, he’ll learn more if he’s left to sort out his own budget and perhaps make a few mistakes. You can discuss with him some of the options for finding the best deals but he should be encouraged to do his own leg-work.
    • MallyGirl
    • By MallyGirl 3rd Oct 17, 2:43 PM
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    I think some people are misunderstanding. I have no worries about him starving or getting lost. What I would like to do is stretch the money I give into as much as possible. Eg I discovered yesterday I have around a tenner in clubcard vouchers that I can 4x towards the cost of the tower of London. DS wouldn't even know that clubcard exists, let alone know I have some vouchers.
    Originally posted by Spendless
    Why not? He needs to know all about this sort of thing whether he is going to go to college/uni or just live on his own at some point. This should be part of you educating him about living a 'moneysaving' life.
    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 3rd Oct 17, 3:40 PM
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    So you give him a tenner and that forces him to find a cheaper curry? Got you.
    Originally posted by annandale

    That response confuses me, either you are twisting the truth there by writing the most vague response which can be interpreted any way, or "agreeing" in the sense that you aren't.


    The point there was if he was on say a high street and had a choice between walking into the first place he could find as he knew he didn;t have to worry about cash whilst that £20 curry may be lower quality than that £8 one across the road but they don't care.


    But on top of that some places may charge like £15 for that curry when the same curry to take out would be £6.


    Why don't you bring up the people who recommend him buying basics from supermarket and tell them maybe he wants to eat in restaurants? Why only focus on me.
    • annandale
    • By annandale 3rd Oct 17, 3:50 PM
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    But on top of that some places may charge like £15 for that curry when the same curry to take out would be £6.
    He's probably not going to be getting takeaway curry given that hes taking it back to a hotel and not to his own home.

    The point there was if he was on say a high street and had a choice between walking into the first place he could find as he knew he didn;t have to worry about cash whilst that £20 curry may be lower quality than that £8 one across the road but they don't care.
    So you are recommending that he gets less money so that he can seek out lower priced better quality curries rather than having 20 pounds so that he can walk into any old takeaway and get a higher priced curry that might not be as tasty? You aren't going to know about quality unless you try both which isn't going to happen.

    You are suggesting that he gets less money so he has to bargain hunt for his dinner? Is that your view?
    • Spendless
    • By Spendless 3rd Oct 17, 6:33 PM
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    Why not? He needs to know all about this sort of thing whether he is going to go to college/uni or just live on his own at some point. This should be part of you educating him about living a 'moneysaving' life.
    Originally posted by MallyGirl
    Lol, at the same time as leaving him to sort himself out without telling him anything as that's the best way he'll find out??? Gotta love mse replies, it's a good job I've been here a long time.
    • Spendless
    • By Spendless 3rd Oct 17, 6:54 PM
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    Back to other replies, other than nonsense on whether I should or shouldn't tell him of how to find better deals.

    He's going to have a set amount of money for the trip. He should imagine he'll start buying more expensive stuff at the beginning of the week - unless he thinks to take it slowly first or he gets shocked by London prices. I am still recovering from being charged £17 for a beefburger in a London pub some years back (locally I find it expensive if it costs £12 nowadays!). My DD once described Nandos as a slightly upmarket KFC and I'm with her, not being keen myself.

    Thanks for the sandwich tip. I would not have told him that. Here, sandwich shops are cheaper than the supermarkets, for just the sandwich that is. I can buy a decent sized ham salad roll for around £1.20-£1.50 and I shall pass on the idea of keeping a refillable water bottle with them.

    As to what ideas have been floated, the museums have been mentioned, watching the guards change at Buckingham Place (thought American friend might want to witness that). Both boys are geeky, like computers. DS has an interest in history of politics. They wanted to hear Big Ben chiming but of course it's being repaired.
    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 4th Oct 17, 2:16 PM
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    He's probably not going to be getting takeaway curry given that hes taking it back to a hotel and not to his own home.




    So you are recommending that he gets less money so that he can seek out lower priced better quality curries rather than having 20 pounds so that he can walk into any old takeaway and get a higher priced curry that might not be as tasty? You aren't going to know about quality unless you try both which isn't going to happen.

    You are suggesting that he gets less money so he has to bargain hunt for his dinner? Is that your view?
    Originally posted by annandale

    Oh FFS, seems like you are arguing for argument sake


    Ok then give him £30, or £40.


    If you think having a row of cafes/take aways/restuarants and making a judgment


    That £6.50 place I go to, is next door to a place which the same meal even at lunch time would be 4x the amount and has worse reviews, on the same street theres multiple restaurants that charge crazy amounts of money and some fair priced ones, yes you have to make an effort to find a cheaper one but that effort is simply walk down a road and back up again and then make a judgement.


    And the curry was just a suggestion, again you haven't brought up when someone recommended things like breakfast foods and seem to only be interested in my specific responses.


    Most hotels I have been to don't mind people eating in rooms as long as its respectable and they do something like eat off a plate and on a desk, only time I saw issues is when a group of lads shared a family room for a week and was dozens of pizza boxes spread out.


    Even been to hotels which have had a microwave for guests to use at reception, also ones which let you eat food in the common room.


    Go back to that common sense thing rather than arguing about it, my original responses were spcifically about food money not spending money, would you spend £20 per day on food if it meant you had a fiver for something like bus travel or getting a pint left over? Or would you rather spend £3 on a take away twice a day and a few snacks leaving £17 a day for spending.


    That and a £15 curry/item of food doesn't mean its better than a £5 one automatically it could just be a mark up based on wanting higher profits or overheads.


    Pizza Hut for example do buffets around the £7 mark, with all you can drink soft drink for £2.50, nothing stopping you filling up there.
    • Spendless
    • By Spendless 4th Oct 17, 8:35 PM
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    Even been to hotels which have had a microwave for guests to use at reception, also ones which let you eat food in the common room.


    Go back to that common sense thing rather than arguing about it, my original responses were spcifically about food money not spending money, would you spend £20 per day on food if it meant you had a fiver for something like bus travel or getting a pint left over? Or would you rather spend £3 on a take away twice a day and a few snacks leaving £17 a day for spending.


    Pizza Hut for example do buffets around the £7 mark, with all you can drink soft drink for £2.50, nothing stopping you filling up there.
    Originally posted by dekaspace
    I'm sure he'd rather eat cheaply most of the time dekaspace and have the cash to visit somewhere, rather than pay voer the odds and him and friend being reduced to wandering the streets cos they're skint.

    It might be the only time him and friend ever do this, he'll want memories of (mostly) what they did rather than what they ate.

    Pizza hut buffet is a very good idea for filling up, it's refillable soft drinks too I think - thank you.
    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 4th Oct 17, 10:31 PM
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    I'm sure he'd rather eat cheaply most of the time dekaspace and have the cash to visit somewhere, rather than pay voer the odds and him and friend being reduced to wandering the streets cos they're skint.

    It might be the only time him and friend ever do this, he'll want memories of (mostly) what they did rather than what they ate.

    Pizza hut buffet is a very good idea for filling up, it's refillable soft drinks too I think - thank you.
    Originally posted by Spendless

    Good, that was what I was getting at originally but it got misinterpreted, I wasn't saying eat at some greasy cafe which is like £3 for a meal as much as spread the cash out, as one cafe that is £10 for breakfast may be just as bad (or good) as one thats £2 a few doors down.



    And yes unlimited soft drinks at Pizza Hut, even have the flavours so you can get like a strawberry or vanilla pepsi. the only thing that costs more is £3 for unlimited ice cream but thats a luxury.


    I'd also check out for any Toby or Crown Carveries, and maybe some vouchers/apps for them as that can be a cheap filling meal and vouchers normally mean like a free side, or drink, or dessert or half off a £20 or more spend for new customers.


    At Crowns the drinks aren't refillable but you instead get unlimited ice cream from machine, Toby has unlimited refills on soft drinks but just one ice cream.
    • JReacher1
    • By JReacher1 4th Oct 17, 10:46 PM
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    I'm still a bit bemused that people aren't thinking I'm leaving him to it. I just asked for suggestions.

    So far, DS and his friend have booked a hol for when one is 18+ and the other 17, instead of waiting another 4 months, when both could get into the pubs. 'Discovered' that a flight that was thought booked for and paid for actually wasn't and have now booked Ryanair. And had a night where they knew they wanted to be in x place but had done nothing about booking accommodation there and didn't know how they were getting there either.

    ^^^^^^ If the above was the calibre of my overseeing this, I'd hate to think what they'd do if left to their own devices.
    Originally posted by Spendless
    He may only be 17 but I think you should face the fact he will be going into pubs on this holiday.
    • Spendless
    • By Spendless 5th Oct 17, 6:28 AM
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    He may only be 17 but I think you should face the fact he will be going into pubs on this holiday.
    Originally posted by JReacher1
    I'm really not bothered if he goes into them. I think he might not get into (m)any as he won't be able to prove he's over 18, I certainly think it would have been easier for them if they'd booked this after DS's next birthday, instead of having a trip where he might or might not get in.
    • annandale
    • By annandale 5th Oct 17, 11:15 AM
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    I didn't realise that I had to reply to everyone as not to upset some people. I'm well aware of how to budget and eat cheaply thanks. Im not sure that 17 year olds are going to be wandering up and down trying to find a curry for a fiver.

    I did say earlier in the thread that there are two wetherspoons in York and plenty in London.

    Remind me never to respond to one poster on here again if this is the reaction you get.
    • alk29
    • By alk29 5th Oct 17, 1:11 PM
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    I would recommend The Time Out website.

    It has regular articles on Cheap eats in London. I've used that quite a bit and often its really good value for money, even for very central places.

    It also has a "free things to do in London this week" section which is also worth a look.
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