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    • orangecrush
    • By orangecrush 22nd Sep 17, 7:49 PM
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    Electrician - accept day rate or hold out for fixed quote?
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    • 22nd Sep 17, 7:49 PM
    Electrician - accept day rate or hold out for fixed quote? 22nd Sep 17 at 7:49 PM
    Hello wise internet people,

    Some sense checking required! To cut a long story short, our builder has run off and left us with a 75% finished kitchen extension (I may post about this as we go through the motions!). He's done some electrical work, but we still need isolation for 4 appliances and some new circuits added. We also need a new board, as the old one has no RCD.

    I've been seeking quotes, and the electricians that are offering to help have said because there were no electrical drawings (builder took them with him) and a fair few unknowns they would only offer day rates/ hourly rates.

    Would you accept day rates (one at £240 a day, one £40 an hour) or hold out for a fixed price? I suspect the latter is going to cost a lot more, but after being burned by one tradesman, I am nervous about going for a pay as you go job.

    What would you do?

    Thank you and happy Friday!
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    • stator
    • By stator 22nd Sep 17, 9:06 PM
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    Pay the day rates. If you want a fixed quote they will have to assume the other guy messed everything up and quote you high.
    Just pay hourly or daily and keep on top of what they are doing, make sure they bring anything that's wrong to your attention quickly so you can see for yourself and make your own judgements.
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    • orangecrush
    • By orangecrush 22nd Sep 17, 9:14 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 17, 9:14 PM
    Thank you, that's my gut feeling, but I wanted to check I wasn't being daft. (After hiring a cowboy builder my confidence is severely dented!)
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 22nd Sep 17, 9:15 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 17, 9:15 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 17, 9:15 PM
    Pay the day rates. If you want a fixed quote they will have to assume the other guy messed everything up and quote you high.
    Just pay hourly or daily and keep on top of what they are doing, make sure they bring anything that's wrong to your attention quickly so you can see for yourself and make your own judgements.
    Originally posted by stator
    That's what I'd do. I'm a qualified electrician, although I haven't worked as one for years.
    Coming into a job halfway through can be more difficult than doing the whole job. People do things different ways.
    They probably won't want to hang around anyway. Most of the decent ones seem busy these days,
    • orangecrush
    • By orangecrush 22nd Sep 17, 9:38 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 17, 9:38 PM
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    • 22nd Sep 17, 9:38 PM
    I totally get that, I would hate to come into a half finished job, especially a really sh*tty one. We knew it was sh*tty as we were going along, and the builder kept saying he'd fix it, over and over...

    Think that's what we'll do. Both guys seemed decent. But then the builder did too lol.
    • glasgowdan
    • By glasgowdan 22nd Sep 17, 9:53 PM
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    I reckon that's not a bad day rate... I'd be keener to make more money doing smaller fixed price work if it were me. But if you get a good guy with time available at that then aye, go for it.
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 23rd Sep 17, 1:48 PM
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    I reckon that's not a bad day rate... I'd be keener to make more money doing smaller fixed price work if it were me. But if you get a good guy with time available at that then aye, go for it.
    Originally posted by glasgowdan
    I always preferred fixed price work. No surprises.
    I prefer it when I have jobs done myself as well, although I have a good "Handyman" who does all sorts on an hourly rate and is good value for money IMO.
    I've been thinking back. I didn't actually work for that long house bashing, as I worked in industry for some years, but I can think of at least a couple of jobs that were picked up where someone else had left off.
    Usually it's at the stage of some of the first fix being there, so you have to decide what needs to be added first, and often which cable goes where.
    It usually adds up to at least as much work than doing the job from scratch.
    Strangely both those jobs were where sparks had just "disappeared" although the customers were OK to work for.
    • brightontraveller
    • By brightontraveller 23rd Sep 17, 9:39 PM
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    Extension requiring new circuits, cu change etc as described then sounds little to no electrical work before they skipped? Don’t confuse what’s charged by some as to what’s actually done ? Post what needs/has been done you,ll get more informed answers than guess? If its guess your after then your being taken for a ride...
    • tony6403
    • By tony6403 25th Sep 17, 12:35 AM
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    Fixed price every time.
    If you decide on an hourly/daily rate try to ensure that you do not have to pay for "nipping" off to get unexpected items,mobile phone distractions (which these days can be very intrusive ) ,approximate time recording and bear in mind the lack of incentive to work at an acceptable pace.
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    • baldelectrician
    • By baldelectrician 25th Sep 17, 3:00 AM
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    May I suggest a fixed price per point (say £40 or £45), then you know where you are


    This is a ballpark price and a reasonable rate- remember a double socket is one item, a single socket is also one item but a double switch is 2 items.
    Also an appliance is 2 items (a socket / outlet and a separate switch)
    baldly going on...
    • britishboy
    • By britishboy 25th Sep 17, 11:27 AM
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    fixed price if you can, not ideal in your situation given the drawings etc. Id get a couple of fixed prices, then ask one who wants a day rate how many days it will take him, and copare yourself.

    My sister had 2 builders do a tiny porch a few years ago on a day rate, twice when i arrived (on different days) they were stood around 'waiting for more bricks' and wasted best part of a day waiting, sweeping up, waiting and sweeping again. They weren't used again on any of the family's properties
    • orangecrush
    • By orangecrush 29th Sep 17, 12:33 PM
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    Update: We were happy with the day rate in the end and were going to accept it, but a bit of googling suggested the electrician was not registered on NICEIC when he claimed to be. He said he had an error on his account with them. I called them to check, and they said he's never been registered. It could be innocent, but after cowboy builder debacle I am not taking any chances.

    In the meantime another NICEIC electrician came round and agreed a fixed price; it's worked out as what the original guy estimated, but we've got a bit more security with the fixed price and the registration.

    Thank you everyone for all the advice! I am very grateful!
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 29th Sep 17, 12:42 PM
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    If you decide on an hourly/daily rate try to ensure that you do not have to pay for "nipping" off to get unexpected items
    Originally posted by tony6403
    Why shouldn't you have to pay for their time if they need to go and get something to complete your job?
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 29th Sep 17, 12:43 PM
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    May I suggest a fixed price per point (say £40 or £45)
    Originally posted by baldelectrician
    Could be more than that.
    • tony6403
    • By tony6403 30th Sep 17, 1:01 AM
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    Why shouldn't you have to pay for their time if they need to go and get something to complete your job?
    Originally posted by Risteard
    Agreed.
    But it is the questionable length of time that some individuals take to do this.
    For example "Got stuck in traffic" or " the lad in the suppliers took a donkey's age" can be used to account for time on things not related to your job.
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    • missprice
    • By missprice 30th Sep 17, 10:29 AM
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    Agreed.
    But it is the questionable length of time that some individuals take to do this.
    For example "Got stuck in traffic" or " the lad in the suppliers took a donkey's age" can be used to account for time on things not related to your job.
    Originally posted by tony6403
    This can actually be true. If you really dont trust an individual to this extent then don't ask them to do the job.
    It smacks of controlling every move they make. I know it's really difficult to find workers these days but treating them like 3year olds won't help.
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    • tony6403
    • By tony6403 3rd Oct 17, 11:46 PM
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    This can actually be true. If you really dont trust an individual to this extent then don't ask them to do the job.
    It smacks of controlling every move they make. I know it's really difficult to find workers these days but treating them like 3year olds won't help.
    Originally posted by missprice
    I wouldn't do that - some are not up to that standard.
    Last edited by tony6403; 05-10-2017 at 12:17 AM.
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